Stolen Valor, too many get by with it.

[odanny]

ABikerSailor

I was EOD during Vietnam. To this day, I’m careful about what I say or describe about American military weapons. I’m not sure what is still classified. I can tell a lot of funny stories, but I get really vague about specific details. I’ll say things like there is a fuse that you have to screw the bomb off of instead of unscrewing the fuse. I won’t hesitate when describing foreign things.

LOL

There isn't anything classified from 50 years ago, at least from a grunt level.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Well, when I did the discharge paperwork for people leaving the military, the standard NDA form they signed to not talk about classified material was 10 years from date of discharge.

 

[westwall]

LOL

There isn't anything classified from 50 years ago, at least from a grunt level.

Never heard of a Davey Crockett.

Or any of the SAMS used by the ADA that were heavily classified.

You are not very well informed.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Well, when I did the discharge paperwork for people leaving the military, the standard NDA form they signed to not talk about classified material was 10 years from date of discharge.

And that included travel restrictions for some people.

 

[bodecea]

They usually end up giving themselves away......

Indeed. My wife, when she sees it, she rips them a new one. (we see a lot of them on the side of the road with signs, panhandling)

 

[westwall]

Indeed. My wife, when she sees it, she rips them a new one. (we see a lot of them on the side of the road with signs, panhandling)

Ahhhhh, sure she does.


DURRRRRR

 

[AZrailwhale]

LOL

There isn't anything classified from 50 years ago, at least from a grunt level.

Some of the ordnance we were trained on and the render safe procedures for it were still classified in 1970 and it was pre-WWII ordnance. I'd rather err on the side of caution than have the FBI come knocking on my door for a security violation.
On a funnier note, we had a presentation from the CIA. He would hold up a device and say "see this? It and I were never here, don't try to disarm one if you run into one in the real world, you can't." Then he'd hold up another device and repeat the mantra. They had some sophisticated crap for 1970. There was a naval mine that could be set for the magnetic signature of a particular ship. It would ignore everything else including magnetic mine sweeping. That was one of the few CIA munitions we were actually trained on since the Navy guys could reasonably expect to run into them.

 

[whitehall]

Only democrat politicians get away with fraudulent claims about military service.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You think Afghanistan wasn't about oil?

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Take a look at a map of Iran.

The US held Iraq. They have Saudi Arabia as an ally. Pakistan was an uncomfortable ally. Afghanistan in US hands meant the US would have left and right on Iraq.

The US has spent the last 20 years trying to get at Iran, threats of invasion, real and heavy sanctions. Why?

Four OPEC countries opposed the US strongly in 2001.

Venezuela. The US helped a coup against Hugo Chavez there in 2002. It failed after a week. Heavy sanctions have existed for a long time now.

Iraq. Invaded in 2003, foreign oil companies put in to pump Iraq dry.

Libya. Bombed in 2011, the leader was deposed and now it's a nothing country with civil war going on, ignored by the west for eleven years.

Iran. Heavy sanction and lots of threats of invasion.

It's not about taking oil. It's about reducing the power of OPEC. In 1999 Hugo Chavez got OPEC leaders together to talk about how they could control oil prices in the world. Bush, Halliburton, the right, did not like that.
So they went after those four countries pushing for this change. And they did it. My KILLING, invading, bombing, sanctions.
They still want to take out Iran's leadership, but clearly Biden can see that after 20 years, it's not going to happen any time soon.

WTF. over! Where is your explanation? Why did you deflect to Iran?


My GOD, you are stupid!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Fun. You say "right" and then you launch into something which I've explained already and isn't relevant. We don't need to talk about Afghanistan's oil production.

And what I said initially belonged her. People doing their service, protecting oil prices, rather than the USA.... relevant. You going off on one about Afghanistan's non-existent oil production, not relevant. Sort your life out.

You are so fucked up! Seek help!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I didn’t want to list the colors.

Why? They were eliminated years ago!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The “war stories” I tell are about training. More funny things happen than in combat, or so I guess. I was on levy for Vietnam as EOD, got to Fort Lewis, the processing sergeant saw that I could type and he pulled me from levy and I was stuck there for nearly two years. The guy my unit sent to replace me on levy was killed by something that wouldn’t have killed me. To this day, I wish I had gone instead of my friend,

levy? WTF is levy? Never heard that term used.

 

[Mushroom]

levy? WTF is levy? Never heard that term used.

It is another term normally used for the draft.

So what exactly it has to do with this, I have absolutely no idea. Is not exactly like you would know who had draft numbers before or after you. Or one would even know who replaced them in a unit.

And in over 2 decades of service, I must admit I had never heard of an initial entry serviceman that was pulled from their MOS and placed into another. That is generally done with somebody that has already become proficient in their actual MOS, and given to more senior ones as a perk.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is another term normally used for the draft.

So what exactly it has to do with this, I have absolutely no idea. Is not exactly like you would know who had draft numbers before or after you. Or one would even know who replaced them in a unit.

And in over 2 decades of service, I must admit I had never heard of an initial entry serviceman that was pulled from their MOS and placed into another. That is generally done with somebody that has already become proficient in their actual MOS, and given to more senior ones as a perk.

Thank you Shroom!

 

[AZrailwhale]

levy? WTF is levy? Never heard that term used.

A unit is “levied” to provide x number of troops for transfer or a project. Hence a troop is on levy.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It is another term normally used for the draft.

So what exactly it has to do with this, I have absolutely no idea. Is not exactly like you would know who had draft numbers before or after you. Or one would even know who replaced them in a unit.

And in over 2 decades of service, I must admit I had never heard of an initial entry serviceman that was pulled from their MOS and placed into another. That is generally done with somebody that has already become proficient in their actual MOS, and given to more senior ones as a perk.

I was a trained EOD tech on levy (orders) for Vietnam. Fort Lewis was one of the transfer points for soldiers bound for Vietnam. Troops were often pulled from their MOSs and assigned to other duties. It’s called “needs of the service”. another example is, or at least was, there is no MOS for a SEAL. Their actual ranks will be quartermaster, ordnanceman, aviation electrician and so forth assigned as SEALs. In the reserves my official MOS was 71L20 Admin Specialist, my actual duty assignment was as a 63B20 Wheeled Vehicle Mech. auto corrupt wont let me type the title of people who work on cars for some reason.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Why? They were eliminated years ago!

I didn’t know that, I‘ve been off active duty for over five decades.

 

[Synthaholic]

Actually, he was.

He completed the Army Ranger course in 2005, and as such is indeed entitled to call himself a "Ranger" and wear the tab reflecting such on his uniform.

So no stolen valor at all, simply some trying to stir crap. Just as if they tried to scream somebody was not "Airborne" unless they served in an "Airborne Unit". That name has nothing to do with the unit one served in, but their training.

And really, you brought back a 9 year old thread for this kind of garbage?

He did not complete it, or he would have been a Ranger. He quit. Couldn't cut it. Still calls himself a Ranger. Stolen Valor.

This is like passing the college entrance exam, not going to college, then calling yourself a college graduate.

 

[Mushroom]

I was a trained EOD tech on levy (orders) for Vietnam. Fort Lewis was one of the transfer points for soldiers bound for Vietnam. Troops were often pulled from their MOSs and assigned to other duties. It’s called “needs of the service”. another example is, or at least was, there is no MOS for a SEAL. Their actual ranks will be quartermaster, ordnanceman, aviation electrician and so forth assigned as SEALs. In the reserves my official MOS was 71L20 Admin Specialist, my actual duty assignment was as a 63B20 Wheeled Vehicle Mech. auto corrupt wont let me type the title of people who work on cars for some reason.

Holy crap, I am reading that for the forth time, and it still gives me a headache.

First of all, "Quartermaster", "Aviation Electrician" and the rest are not ranks. So that entire segment of your claim makes absolutely no sense.

And yes, there is an MOS for SEALs, it is "E300". But as that school is not available for "initial entry", any that try out already have an MOS when they do so. And just like the Green Berets, once they finish their school most times they will then pick up at least one more MOS. And their original MOS may be what they are "officially" known by, or the other one they get. For example if one is a Quartermaster and then sent to the Field Corpsman school and then slotted into his unit as their Corpsman, that is what he will wear on his uniform. Normally addressed as "Doc", and in most times he will appear to be just another HN3 to HN1. Because that is the billet they are filling in the TO&E.

And I have a hard time imagining somebody just out of their MOS school being pulled as a clerk. But working in the Orderly Room does not give one a secondary MOS. And I really find it hard to believe, as I know what all is involved in being EOD. And to imagine after all that one being sent to the orderly room simply does not make sense. Secret Security Clearance, and an 8 month school that is one of the hardest in the Army. Just to stick them as a typist?

And trust me, I know all about secondary MOS. My original primary was 0311, but I also served as an 8151. And only later was I assigned and trained as an 0411. And for 6 months I worked as an 0151.

In the Army, I was a 14T, Patriot Missiles. And once again, saw many pulled to work in other areas. But once again, just like in the Marines never with less than 2 years in their actual MOS. I did Admin again, then later moved to 25B (IT). In over 20 years, I saw a hell of a lot of people moved into temporary billets. Very rarely did any of them ever pick up a "Secondary MOS", as there are a lot of very specific qualifications for that which most never qualified for.

And like so many, the 71L field is not given for OJT. Notice, I said I was trained as an 0411, but that never appears in my "official MOS" listings as I only went to a 1 month course for that and not the full 4 month course that is required to have that as an official MOS. The same with 0151. That also is an "Admin Clerk", did it for 6 months and off and on afterwards, but I never went to the school so never had it as an MOS.

I also worked for over 2 years as a PMI (0931). However, that MOS is only issued to those that work training Recruits or Officer candidates, so once again is not in my record.

Once again, I read through that has you wrote, and it still makes no sense.

 

[Mushroom]

He did not complete it, or he would have been a Ranger.

According to everything I have found, he did complete it.

And a lot more go through and finish the school than work in Ranger units. It is not unusual seeing people in the MPs, Air Defense, and all kinds of units that have Ranger tabs, but never served a day in a Ranger unit. Just as you will see a great many with Airborne or Air Assault wings that never served in one of those units.

Hell, before it was removed I was qualified to wear the "Jungle Expert" tab on my uniform if I had been in the Army at the time. Yet, I never served in a "Jungle Warfare" unit.

And hell, you will have many that are "tabbed" with one of those kinds of units, but never went through the school. Somebody who never finished Ranger school yet serves in a Ranger unit still gets to wear the scroll. The same with somebody who serves in one of the "Airborne" units, but is not jump qualified.

But fine, care to give us a verifiable and vetteable reference to show that he did indeed quit? Because even the Rolling Stone article on it admits he took and completed the Army Ranger Course. And passing that is all that is needed to call oneself a "Ranger". Just as passing the Airborne School is enough to call oneself "Airborne". Does not matter if they ever serve in an actual airborne unit.

And schools like that are almost "given" away all the time in the Army. Be the "Soldier of the Quarter" or "Year", and you are pretty much guaranteed such a school. We had a lot of guys and gals in my PATRIOT unit that were "Air Assault", primarily because they were SOQ or SOTY, and we actually had a school for that right on our base. And I knew others that went to Benning for a month or so, then returned with jump wings.

In my medical unit when I retired out MP had a Ranger Tab. But not a scroll, he never served in a Ranger unit. He was Infantry, did the school and returned to his Airborne unit, then after he was injured he moved to the Reserves and was trained as an MP. But he was still authorized to wear his Ranger tab, and his multiple badges (Airborne, Air Assault, and CIB).