Since when does the president get to force churches to open?

[Markle]

Look fool, this virus is deadly, has no cure and spreads quick, so I don't think god minds if we worship at home.

 

[Nostra]

Really, this whole brouhaha is NOT about Trump forcing the churches to open. It is Trump threatening to override the governors' decision to keep them closed.

President Donald Trump demanded on Friday that states allow houses of worship to reopen from stay-at-home restrictions imposed to combat the coronavirus outbreak, yet his authority to override governors’ orders is restrained by constitutional limits.​

​

“The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now,” Trump said Friday in a statement to reporters at the White House. “For this weekend.”​

​

“If they don’t do it I will override the governors,” he added.​

Governors have the power to regulate commerce (in the widest sense) in their states, and in no reasonable interpretation would church openings be part of interstate commerce, which Congress could regulate. Still, Trump reportedly is not Congress.

While it's quite right that Trump's reckless bluster is a message to the religious right, Trump's "overriding" will likely come in a different fashion. If the past teaches us anything, it's going to come in the form of withholding federal aid for cash-strapped states not doing Trump's bidding.

Anyway, the only really interesting question is going to be, whom will Trump single out for blame in case the inevitable Covid-clusters emerge because benighted pastors, as some of them sure will, defy governors' orders with Trump's encouragement.

You really are dumb. Learn the meaning of the word "allow".

 

[Nostra]

What happened to the first amendment?

To get that right, you may wish to have a good look at the Tenth.

That's what the whole "States' rights" ideology conservatives deem sacred is based upon. Just when the Dear Leader threatens to override State Governors, Rightardia is all aflutter.

Very true. trump can burn the constitution and these guys would pour gasoline on the fire. Just as long as he fights for white rights and eliminates things that helps people of color they will let him be a dictator if need be.

Trump says he will "allow" them to open, not "force" them to open.

You single digit IQ morons are a hoot.

 

[Markle]

He's spent months doing his best not to be involved but now suddenly he wants to try to make "royal decrees"?

Nope.

 

[Crepitus]

He's spent months doing his best not to be involved but now suddenly he wants to try to make "royal decrees"?

Nope.

Read up on tRump's comments vis-a-vis shutdowns and who's responsibility they are.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Federal government CAN'T force in person services or even to be "open" at all.

Trump and his people know this.

It's just pandering to the religious right

The Federal government CAN'T force in person services or even to be "open" at all.

Trump never said force, he said allow.
But the OP is such a low-IQ cretin, he doesn't understand the difference.
And you're so stupid, you didn't spot his error (lie?).

 

[Marion Morrison]

Really, this whole brouhaha is NOT about Trump forcing the churches to open. It is Trump threatening to override the governors' decision to keep them closed.

President Donald Trump demanded on Friday that states allow houses of worship to reopen from stay-at-home restrictions imposed to combat the coronavirus outbreak, yet his authority to override governors’ orders is restrained by constitutional limits.​

​

“The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now,” Trump said Friday in a statement to reporters at the White House. “For this weekend.”​

​

“If they don’t do it I will override the governors,” he added.​

Governors have the power to regulate commerce (in the widest sense) in their states, and in no reasonable interpretation would church openings be part of interstate commerce, which Congress could regulate. Still, Trump reportedly is not Congress.

While it's quite right that Trump's reckless bluster is a message to the religious right, Trump's "overriding" will likely come in a different fashion. If the past teaches us anything, it's going to come in the form of withholding federal aid for cash-strapped states not doing Trump's bidding.

Anyway, the only really interesting question is going to be, whom will Trump single out for blame in case the inevitable Covid-clusters emerge because benighted pastors, as some of them sure will, defy governors' orders with Trump's encouragement.

Well! I guess that's that 1st amendment thing again!

Good on Trump for wanting to uphold it.

 

[Marion Morrison]

What happened to the first amendment?

To get that right, you may wish to have a good look at the Tenth.

That's what the whole "States' rights" ideology conservatives deem sacred is based upon. Just when the Dear Leader threatens to override State Governors, Rightardia is all aflutter.

Very true. trump can burn the constitution and these guys would pour gasoline on the fire. Just as long as he fights for white rights and eliminates things that helps people of color they will let him be a dictator if need be.

You don't know what The Constitution is.

What's the 1st amendment, fucktardo?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Really, this whole brouhaha is NOT about Trump forcing the churches to open. It is Trump threatening to override the governors' decision to keep them closed.

President Donald Trump demanded on Friday that states allow houses of worship to reopen from stay-at-home restrictions imposed to combat the coronavirus outbreak, yet his authority to override governors’ orders is restrained by constitutional limits.

“The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now,” Trump said Friday in a statement to reporters at the White House. “For this weekend.”

“If they don’t do it I will override the governors,” he added.​

Governors have the power to regulate commerce (in the widest sense) in their states, and in no reasonable interpretation would church openings be part of interstate commerce, which Congress could regulate. Still, Trump reportedly is not Congress.

While it's quite right that Trump's reckless bluster is a message to the religious right, Trump's "overriding" will likely come in a different fashion. If the past teaches us anything, it's going to come in the form of withholding federal aid for cash-strapped states not doing Trump's bidding.

Anyway, the only really interesting question is going to be, whom will Trump single out for blame in case the inevitable Covid-clusters emerge because benighted pastors, as some of them sure will, defy governors' orders with Trump's encouragement.

Governors don’t have the power to over ride the constitution. You’re an idiot if you think they do.

 

[Nostra]

Wow! IM2 has taken a major beatdown in this moronic thread of his.

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

What happened to the first amendment?

To get that right, you may wish to have a good look at the Tenth.

That's what the whole "States' rights" ideology conservatives deem sacred is based upon. Just when the Dear Leader threatens to override State Governors, Rightardia is all aflutter.

Very true. trump can burn the constitution and these guys would pour gasoline on the fire. Just as long as he fights for white rights and eliminates things that helps people of color they will let him be a dictator if need be.

You don't know what The Constitution is.

What's the 1st amendment, fucktardo?

The 1st Amendment is what Trump is out to destroy.
And you fucktardos are letting him do it.

 

[Nostra]

Poor Blainey..............so stupid he believes anything posted on Twitter.

 

[Nostra]

What happened to the first amendment?

To get that right, you may wish to have a good look at the Tenth.

That's what the whole "States' rights" ideology conservatives deem sacred is based upon. Just when the Dear Leader threatens to override State Governors, Rightardia is all aflutter.

Very true. trump can burn the constitution and these guys would pour gasoline on the fire. Just as long as he fights for white rights and eliminates things that helps people of color they will let him be a dictator if need be.

You don't know what The Constitution is.

What's the 1st amendment, fucktardo?

The 1st Amendment is what Trump is out to destroy.
And you fucktardos are letting him do it.

You obviously have no clue what the 1st Amendment says, or means, Simpleton.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

What happened to the first amendment?

To get that right, you may wish to have a good look at the Tenth.

That's what the whole "States' rights" ideology conservatives deem sacred is based upon. Just when the Dear Leader threatens to override State Governors, Rightardia is all aflutter.

Very true. trump can burn the constitution and these guys would pour gasoline on the fire. Just as long as he fights for white rights and eliminates things that helps people of color they will let him be a dictator if need be.

Bitch please. What rights is he taking from your dumb ass by allowing churches to open? Did he close the black ones? No? Then STFU with your constant race poor me bullshit. It gets old. Nobody hated you because of your race, we don’t like you because you’re an asshole. A worthless fuck of a racist always playing the victim because people don’t like to put up with your shit. Even if you are black. We still don’t want to deal with your paranoid victim hood.

Nobody hates you because you’re black. We hate you because you’re an asshole. And skin color can’t and shouldn’t overcome personality. Skin color is in the bottom 100 of reasons not to like you.

 

[OldLady]

Really, this whole brouhaha is NOT about Trump forcing the churches to open. It is Trump threatening to override the governors' decision to keep them closed.

President Donald Trump demanded on Friday that states allow houses of worship to reopen from stay-at-home restrictions imposed to combat the coronavirus outbreak, yet his authority to override governors’ orders is restrained by constitutional limits.​

​

“The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now,” Trump said Friday in a statement to reporters at the White House. “For this weekend.”​

​

“If they don’t do it I will override the governors,” he added.​

Governors have the power to regulate commerce (in the widest sense) in their states, and in no reasonable interpretation would church openings be part of interstate commerce, which Congress could regulate. Still, Trump reportedly is not Congress.

While it's quite right that Trump's reckless bluster is a message to the religious right, Trump's "overriding" will likely come in a different fashion. If the past teaches us anything, it's going to come in the form of withholding federal aid for cash-strapped states not doing Trump's bidding.

Anyway, the only really interesting question is going to be, whom will Trump single out for blame in case the inevitable Covid-clusters emerge because benighted pastors, as some of them sure will, defy governors' orders with Trump's encouragement.

Governors don’t have the power to over ride the constitution. You’re an idiot if you think they do.

The Supreme Court has had little to say about state power to override people’s liberty during epidemics. The most helpful case is from back in 1905 during the smallpox epidemic, Jacobson v. Massachusetts. In that case, a pastor argued that a mandatory smallpox vaccination violated his constitutional rights. The Supreme Court sided with Massachusetts but framed its decision carefully.

The Court acknowledged that “the liberty secured by the Fourteenth Amendment . . . consists, in part, in the right of a person ‘to live and work where he will.’" But it added: “in every well-ordered society . . . the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”

Even in our current situation though, the power of the government is limited. The Court warned that some restrictions may be so “arbitrary and oppressive in particular cases as to justify the interference of the courts to prevent wrong and oppression.” The Court added: “if a statute purporting to have been enacted to protect the public health, the public morals, or the public safety has no real or substantial relation to those objects, or is, beyond all question, a plain, palpable invasion of rights secured by the fundamental law, it is the duty of the courts to so adjudge, and thereby give effect to the Constitution."

How would the courts decide what restrictions cross that line? They would most likely apply the “strict scrutiny” test, which requires that a law be “narrowly tailored to further a compelling government interest.” The government can override even such basic rights as freedom of speech, assembly, and religion if it meets the demands of strict scrutiny.

Good article. You should take a look.

Are âStay At Homeâ Orders Constitutional?

Over half of all Americans are now subject to some sort of "stay at home" order and more such orders are likely. Are these orders constitutional?

www.forbes.com

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Really, this whole brouhaha is NOT about Trump forcing the churches to open. It is Trump threatening to override the governors' decision to keep them closed.

President Donald Trump demanded on Friday that states allow houses of worship to reopen from stay-at-home restrictions imposed to combat the coronavirus outbreak, yet his authority to override governors’ orders is restrained by constitutional limits.​

​

“The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now,” Trump said Friday in a statement to reporters at the White House. “For this weekend.”​

​

“If they don’t do it I will override the governors,” he added.​

Governors have the power to regulate commerce (in the widest sense) in their states, and in no reasonable interpretation would church openings be part of interstate commerce, which Congress could regulate. Still, Trump reportedly is not Congress.

While it's quite right that Trump's reckless bluster is a message to the religious right, Trump's "overriding" will likely come in a different fashion. If the past teaches us anything, it's going to come in the form of withholding federal aid for cash-strapped states not doing Trump's bidding.

Anyway, the only really interesting question is going to be, whom will Trump single out for blame in case the inevitable Covid-clusters emerge because benighted pastors, as some of them sure will, defy governors' orders with Trump's encouragement.

Governors don’t have the power to over ride the constitution. You’re an idiot if you think they do.

The Supreme Court has had little to say about state power to override people’s liberty during epidemics. The most helpful case is from back in 1905 during the smallpox epidemic, Jacobson v. Massachusetts. In that case, a pastor argued that a mandatory smallpox vaccination violated his constitutional rights. The Supreme Court sided with Massachusetts but framed its decision carefully.

The Court acknowledged that “the liberty secured by the Fourteenth Amendment . . . consists, in part, in the right of a person ‘to live and work where he will.’" But it added: “in every well-ordered society . . . the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”

Even in our current situation though, the power of the government is limited. The Court warned that some restrictions may be so “arbitrary and oppressive in particular cases as to justify the interference of the courts to prevent wrong and oppression.” The Court added: “if a statute purporting to have been enacted to protect the public health, the public morals, or the public safety has no real or substantial relation to those objects, or is, beyond all question, a plain, palpable invasion of rights secured by the fundamental law, it is the duty of the courts to so adjudge, and thereby give effect to the Constitution."

How would the courts decide what restrictions cross that line? They would most likely apply the “strict scrutiny” test, which requires that a law be “narrowly tailored to further a compelling government interest.” The government can override even such basic rights as freedom of speech, assembly, and religion if it meets the demands of strict scrutiny.

Good article. You should take a look.

Are âStay At Homeâ Orders Constitutional?

Over half of all Americans are now subject to some sort of "stay at home" order and more such orders are likely. Are these orders constitutional?

www.forbes.com

The courts are slapping this shit down pretty handily. Go do another Google search.

 

[Nostra]

Has anyone been able to find where Trump is FORCING CHURCHES TO OPEN?

Nope?

Me either.

I guess we can conclude IM2 is a lying sack of shit..............as if we didn't already know that.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

"Since when does the president get to force churches to open?"

"Force" them to open ? Huh ?

Last time I checked, he was simply wanting them to have the option of opening.

 

[Nostra]

"Since when does the president get to force churches to open?"

"Force" them to open ? Huh ?

Last time I checked, he was simply wanting them to have the option of opening.

Exactly.

And the last time I checked IM2 is a proven lying sack of shit.