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You are in error.So the only punishment Satan ever got from God, was banishment. Which is weird because God created him and knew this would happen.. anyway..
There is no other punishment for Satan, if you even call that a punishment.
But this loving God will punish his creation, that he supposedly loves, while not punishing Satan? He punished the tempted, not the tempter...
Doesnt that seem a bit messed up to you?
Can anyone explain this?
1914 huh?You are in error.
The angel who came to be known as satan and devil because he rebelled, was the anointed Cherub, giving rights to watch over Eden from God. He got jealous and wanted worship, thus caused others to rebel. He was banished from heaven in 1914( war in heaven) to the earth, never allowed back into heaven. God has him and his angels reserved for the lake of fire= everlasting destruction.
The judgement God set up for sin= death--Satan sinned thus will pay with death.
According to the prophecy found in Daniel 4 points to 1914--When a king would sit on the throne=Jesus( Rev 6:1= the war in heaven) Rev 6:2 He gets his crown. Rev 6:4-peace will be taken from the earth=ww1=1914.1914 huh?
I know the JW theory.According to the prophecy found in Daniel 4 points to 1914--When a king would sit on the throne=Jesus( Rev 6:1= the war in heaven) Rev 6:2 He gets his crown. Rev 6:4-peace will be taken from the earth=ww1=1914.
That prophecy is, from the destruction of Jerusalem=607 bce. 2520 days until a king sits on the throne over Gods chosen. No king sat on the throne until 1914, thus applying the bible rule a year for a day= 607 bce + 2520=1914. This is reality.
I think it is.Again, what is cruelty?
Is it cruel to sentence someone to death for murder, for example?
People buy their drugs of their own volition. People who buy these drugs all know the dangers of their chosen recreational activities.Here is a fun question, what is more cruel
1. Allowing drug dealers to give drugs to the populace killing about 200 people a day
2. Putting the drug dealers to death.
Which one is cruel and which is just?
From The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint's perspective, since man's intelligence was not created or made and neither indeed can be, God would not have the ability to make man perfect from an intellectual and moral stand point since God could not create mankind's intelligence.
Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
This would mean that God would not have the power to create the intelligence of mankind since it is self-existing and each intelligence would be in the state it exists in at any given time in its infinite existence. This would mean that God would have to bring man up to become perfect in another way than simply creating man to be perfect. So how does God get mankind to progress to become more perfect if He could not simply create them to be perfect? God must give mankind teachings and experience to learn to become more perfect. So God creates a temporal (temporary) existence where mankind can come to a world and experience good and evil and by learning to choose of his own free will and choice to be a good being, man can progress to become more like God himself. Giving mankind a free will and allowing him to choose between good and evil is going to bring about evil in the world with mankind being in an imperfect state. Thank goodness its a temporary existence and that God is over all. From evil choices by mankind, and being subject unto pain, suffering and death suffering exists. But if God did not allow imperfect mankind to have free will, but forced mankind to be good, would mankind really be good in and of themselves? NO! Free will is critical from mankind to become a good being in and of oneself!
So having free will is critical and since mankind is imperfect in their state as self-existing beings, then naturally bad decisions are going to be made. But a loving God teaches his children correct principals of loving each other and how to conduct oneself to minimize suffering. He also provides a Savior to allow mankind to repent of his sins and be forgiven. In this way mankind can progress toward perfection and eventually learn to choose good over evil. By experiencing a temporary state of suffering and death, mankind learns to love and appreciate in the eternal scheme of things the good principals of existence and immortality and eternal life. This mortal life is a school ground for man to learn good and evil and to learn what death and suffering are. However, they can contrast those things with the good and happiness and joy of this mortal life. Through this progression, mankind can become a great appreciator of good and overcome evil and become a better being. Through Jesus Christ and the resurrection we come out of this temporary mortal existence and gain immortality to never die again. If we have learned to choose good over evil to a very, very high degree and are willing to abide by all the laws of God's kingdom, we are allowed to live in the kingdom of heaven in the hereafter. If we are not willing to abide by the law of God's kingdom, God places us into lower kingdoms where we are willing to abide by the laws of those lower kingdoms.
So the reason God allows suffering in this temporary world is so that our self-existent intelligence can progress to understand good from evil and to learn to choose good over evil and become better beings. Since God cannot use force and has to use free will to help us choose goodness over evil of our own free will and choice to become good beings, much of the suffering in this life is due to mankind making bad decisions. However, we can learn from these things and improve our lot in this temporal existence. Thank God this life is only temporary and is for our progress and learning. In the hereafter we will have immortality and death, sickness and other mortal frailties will not exist. However, the degree of our joy and happiness will still depend on the degree we are willing to live the laws of joy and happiness. Those who are not willing to abide by a celestial law should not be allowed among those who are willing to abide by that law or it would not be a heaven. Thus having separate kingdoms is a good idea to allow everyone to live among those who are like themselves and willing to abide by the same law.
The idea that God is all powerful does not mean that God can do absolutely anything imaginable but that God is able to do all that is possible to do. Mankind does not possess the knowledge of all that is possible. There are things that are infinitely impossible even for God. I believe God has revealed that the intelligence of man was not created or made and neither indeed can be. Thus mankind could not be created perfect since God could not create man's intelligence. I also do not believe that God ever creates anything from absolutely nothing. This is the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
People who buy these drugs usually only get one shot at it and die because the doses are lethal.People buy their drugs of their own volition. People who buy these drugs all know the dangers of their chosen recreational activities.
People who buy these drugs usually only get one shot at it and die because the doses are lethal.
This includes children along side others who may not be taking the drugs, but just exposed to them in some way.
And those that get a second chance are probably already addicted and have lost their ability to chose.
That is the level of toxicity drugs are sold these days. They know they will kill.
Drug cartels now control entire countries, so I doubt there is little chance anything will ever happen to your people, so no worries.
As a self-existing intelligences, God could not create intelligences. God then realizes that for these intelligences to be good in and of themselves, they must choose to be good of their own free will and choice. Thus God proceeds with a plan to teach his children good and evil so that they might choose good over evil of their own free will and choice. In this way God is giving us the choice to become perfect and not forcing us to be so. When you force one to be good, they are not good in and of themselves but only by force.If your god is all powerful and possesses perfect intelligence then it certainly can give its creations perfect intelligence
According to the prophecy found in Daniel 4 points to 1914--When a king would sit on the throne=Jesus( Rev 6:1= the war in heaven) Rev 6:2 He gets his crown. Rev 6:4-peace will be taken from the earth=ww1=1914.
That prophecy is, from the destruction of Jerusalem=607 bce. 2520 days until a king sits on the throne over Gods chosen. No king sat on the throne until 1914, thus applying the bible rule a year for a day= 607 bce + 2520=1914. This is reality.
... the choice to become perfect
Satan was in heaven in the book of Job. He was in heaven for the war in heaven. Jesus kingship is for 1000 ( Rev 20:6) years--If it occurred back then, Earth would be a paradise now with no more satan influences, no more death, etc.--1914 is correct. Its called the presence( Matt 24:37--1Cor 15:23--2Pet 3:4)I know the JW theory.
Jesus SAW Lucifer thrown out of heaven BEFORE His birth.
Satan was roaming the earth during the days of Noah. He was cast out before the creation of Man
Daniel is the key to unlocking some of the revelation meanings. Only revealed through these-Matt 24:45 in 1 single religion that is headed by Jesus. Unified worldwide in love, peace and unity of thought on all of Gods 1 truth.And at least "8" false predictions later................your cult is still slinging mud against that wall to see if you can hit one target? Your Cult is like the young archer that declares he is the best archer ever........and he proves that he can hit the bull's eye every time he knocks an arrow and looses it. First.......he lets the arrow fly against the side of a barn.......then he rushes up and paints a bullseye around the arrow. See.......dead center every time.
Strange that the Apostle Peter declared that Jesus Christ was made both "Lord" (Ruler) and "Christ" (Savoir) on the day of Pentecost following Jesus' ascension into Heaven in the clouds in the company of angels. (Acts 1:9-11, Acts 2: 36)
The ruler spoken of by the prophet Daniel and His never ending kingdom would take place during the 4th great earthly kingdom (history proves that 4th kingdom was the Roman Empire during the time period of Jesus' earthly ministry and ascension to Heaven to sit on His eternal throne as King of Kings)......given to Him by the Father (Matthew 28:18-20).........in order to enter this kingdom and find salvation you must be Baptized in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
The reality of what the actual content of the Holy Scriptures declare concerning Old Testament Prophecy declares that Jesus Christ (the predicted Messiah) would be King of God's Kingdom/church.
First and foremost........the N.T. (which was predicted by Jer. 31:31-34) reveals that God no longer uses Prophets to speak to man in these last days, God speaks only through revelations provided by Jesus Christ (Hebrews 1:1-2) ....i.e, the last kingdom, the last covenant between man and God (which started in the 1st century as declared by the Apostle Peter as prophesied by Joel -- Acts 2:1-21) Jesus Christ is still sitting on David's throne at the right hand of the Father and will remain there until the end of the world and the final judgment.........then the Kingdom will return to the Father after Jesus has defeated death (Satan who is the god of death and this world -- 2 Cor. 4:4...who brought death into the world through sin) -- 1 Cor. 15 The kingdom of New Jerusalem is a spiritual kingdom located in the realm of Heaven (its not an earthly kingdom).....this is the eternal city and kingdom spoken of in John's revelations. (Rev. 21:9-27)
Take note......the very passages that you are quoting from the book of Revelation......are never revealed by Daniel..........but the revelations were revealed to John by an angel as sent by Jesus Christ (Rev. 1)
In the O.T there are many prophecies concerning the "LAST DAYS"......or as translated by some as "The Latter Days of mankind" (...thus as Gen.49:1, see Vs. 10............UNTIL SHILOH COMES (shiloh? The location where the Hebrews worshiped before the first temple was constructed) Numbers 24:14, vs. 17 star out of Jaccob: Deut 4:30 then Israel will turn to the Lord Isa. 2:2, the Lord's House established Jer. 23:20 vs. 5 TO DAVID A BRANCH OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (a clear reference to Jesus Christ whose lineage runs through both David and Adam the first man). See King 30:24, 48:47, 49:39...........which concerns the restoration of Israel and Judah, Eze. 38:16, attack by Gog against Christ's kingdom/church Daniel: 2:28, 10:14, see 44..........an Everlasting Kingdom (what kingdom on earth has ever lasted forever other than the Kingdom of God...i.e, the church given to Christ?) This attack is recorded in history (its not some future date)........Isarel and the great city and Temple fell to the Roman Kings in 70 AD). See Hos. 3:5 then Israel....those who did return back to God (a loyal remanent as God's salvation was offered first to those Jews who remained loyal to God..........FIRST (Romans 1:16).......the kingdom of God was preached all around the known world at that time and was exclusive only to the Jews for the first decade of the kingdoms existence (Acts 10 was the first gentile household converted)
Daniel is O.T. history, Jesus Stated that He fulfilled every prophecy contained in the law and the prophets. The birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ fulfilled 351 O.T. prophecies. Why do people refuse to believe that which is actually written in the Word of God? Jesus declared that He came to FULFILL the Law and the Prophets. He did not come to abolish but to fulfill (Matthew 5:17-19)...........not one thing of the Law and Prophets will end until ALL IS FULFILLED. "I (Jesus) have brought You (the Father) glory on earth BY FINISHING THE WORK YOU GAVE ME TO DO......" -- John 17:4Daniel is the key to unlocking some of the revelation meanings. Only revealed through these-Matt 24:45 in 1 single religion that is headed by Jesus. Unified worldwide in love, peace and unity of thought on all of Gods 1 truth.
So then your god is not omnipotent.As a self-existing intelligences, God could not create intelligences. God then realizes that for these intelligences to be good in and of themselves, they must choose to be good of their own free will and choice. Thus God proceeds with a plan to teach his children good and evil so that they might choose good over evil of their own free will and choice. In this way God is giving us the choice to become perfect and not forcing us to be so. When you force one to be good, they are not good in and of themselves but only by force.
What percentage of the universe have we explored? .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%? lolAnd to think that life just came about on its own is absurd is almost more absurd to me, since we see life nowhere else in the universe.
Set aside your silly interpretations for a minute and think about what you are suggesting. A never ending series of causes. That's illogical. So logically there must be an uncaused first cause.What created him?
