RINO Romney's Pro-Choice Record

[DontBeStupid]

What's not true?

What you just wrote. Two posts ago. That I bolded.

"States do have the right to decide the Abortion issue themselves."

Unbelievable.

That's why i said the Abortion issue is not so simple. States do have the right to decide the issue for themselves. That's my belief anyway. However,i don't like the Government deciding the issue for Citizens. But some Laws restricting brutal Late-Term Abortions seem reasonable to me. But that's just my opinion. You can be both 'Pro-Life' and 'Pro-Choice.' It's not an all or nothing issue.

Notice how Pauli went from stating something as fact to backing off and admitting it is his opinion. His belief. Like I said, he knew it wasn't true.

Pauli's a coward. Like many on this issue.

It's simple. Let women think for themselves.

 

[paulitician]

What you just wrote. Two posts ago. That I bolded.

"States do have the right to decide the Abortion issue themselves."

Unbelievable.

That's why i said the Abortion issue is not so simple. States do have the right to decide the issue for themselves. That's my belief anyway. However,i don't like the Government deciding the issue for Citizens. But some Laws restricting brutal Late-Term Abortions seem reasonable to me. But that's just my opinion. You can be both 'Pro-Life' and 'Pro-Choice.' It's not an all or nothing issue.

Notice how Pauli went from stating something as fact to backing off and admitting it is his opinion. His belief. Like I said, he knew it wasn't true.

Pauli's a coward. Like many on this issue.

It's simple. Let women think for themselves.

Yes i fully support States' Rights and do believe they should decide the issue for themselves. And States' Rights are not an 'Opinion.' They're fact & reality. And again,it's not so simple. Romney has mixed emotions on Abortion like most other Americans do. So i can cut him some slack.

 

[DontBeStupid]

That's why i said the Abortion issue is not so simple. States do have the right to decide the issue for themselves. That's my belief anyway. However,i don't like the Government deciding the issue for Citizens. But some Laws restricting brutal Late-Term Abortions seem reasonable to me. But that's just my opinion. You can be both 'Pro-Life' and 'Pro-Choice.' It's not an all or nothing issue.

Notice how Pauli went from stating something as fact to backing off and admitting it is his opinion. His belief. Like I said, he knew it wasn't true.

Pauli's a coward. Like many on this issue.

It's simple. Let women think for themselves.

Yes i fully support States' Rights and do believe they should decide the issue for themselves. And States' Rights are not an 'Opinion.' They're fact & reality. And again,it's not so simple. Romney has mixed emotions on Abortion like most other Americans do. So i can cut him some slack.

And now it's back to fact and reality? Master Flip-Flopper at work here everyone.

But again, no proof. It's easy to claim something as fact when you provide no proof.

 

[paulitician]

Notice how Pauli went from stating something as fact to backing off and admitting it is his opinion. His belief. Like I said, he knew it wasn't true.

Pauli's a coward. Like many on this issue.

It's simple. Let women think for themselves.

Yes i fully support States' Rights and do believe they should decide the issue for themselves. And States' Rights are not an 'Opinion.' They're fact & reality. And again,it's not so simple. Romney has mixed emotions on Abortion like most other Americans do. So i can cut him some slack.

And now it's back to fact and reality? Master Flip-Flopper at work here everyone.

But again, no proof. It's easy to claim something as fact when you provide no proof.

So States don't have rights? Ok. Good to know. Football Party time. Enjoy your Saturday. See Ya!

 

[DontBeStupid]

Yes i fully support States' Rights and do believe they should decide the issue for themselves. And States' Rights are not an 'Opinion.' They're fact & reality. And again,it's not so simple. Romney has mixed emotions on Abortion like most other Americans do. So i can cut him some slack.

And now it's back to fact and reality? Master Flip-Flopper at work here everyone.

But again, no proof. It's easy to claim something as fact when you provide no proof.

So States don't have rights? Ok. Good to know. Football Party time. Enjoy your Saturday. See Ya!

And end it with a comment that no one said and isn't even relevant to the discussion, then run away.

Classic.

Again, this issue is very simple. Either you know women can think for themselves and can make decisions for themselves, or you believe they can't.

 

[JimBowie1958]

For those reading at home, you will notice Pauli makes this claim and then does not back it up in any way. He doesn't even attempt to.

That's because he knows it's not true.

What's not true?

What you just wrote. Two posts ago. That I bolded.

"States do have the right to decide the Abortion issue themselves."

Unbelievable.

It is not unbelievable.

If you accept the ROe decision as legit, the SCOTUS ruled a state can regulate it after the first trimester, so yes, states do have the right to restrict it in some cases, but not in the first trimester.

Looking at it from a moral as opposed to legalistic perspective, the states should have the right to regulate this just as they always have on this and other 'woman's body' issues like prostitution, drug use, suicide, selling body organs and others.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Jim, not going to waste time answering all your points, so I'll make this simple.

Illegalizing abortion will not end abortion, just drive it underground, which is where it was before it was legalized. Even police states like Nazi Germany couldn't prevent abortions from happening.

Prostitution is illegal, but I could find a prostitute pretty easily if I wanted one. Pot is illegal, but I could score a joint if I really wanted one. What makes you think that abortions will be any harder to get after they are outlawed? Especially since you can induce them with a pill now.

The simple fact is that making something illegal cause more effort and risk to be undertaken to engage in an activity, so it reduces said activity to varying degrees.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I consider myself 'Pro-Life' but i oppose the Government deciding it for Citizens. So i guess that makes me also 'Pro-Choice.' However,i do support certain restrictions on Abortion. There is a time-frame when Abortion is acceptable or becomes unacceptable. Those Laws are reasonable. So overall i oppose Government banning Abortion but i have to also respect States' Rights in deciding the legality or illegality of it. Abortion is a complicated issue. I agree with Romney on this one for the most part.

People like Pauli want you to think that abortion is a "complicated issue". It's not. They're just cowards.

The abortion issue is simple.

Let women think for themselves.

Yeah, why not infanticide if they want to?

Why not let women kill any of their kids if they want?

How can you burden women with the responsibility of a child that has invaded their bodies?

/sarcasm

And the stupidity just goes on and on.

 

[whitehall]

Lots of people start out pro-kill and become pro-life as they mature. Some people never mature. When he was an Illinois state senator Barry Hussein used his limited legal muscle to force the good people of Chicago to accept the horrific procedure that replaced Partial Birth Abortion. The abortion geniuses would induce premature birth with chemicals and merely let the premature baby die on a cold stainless table without so much as a blanket to comfort them. Good idea huh?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Lots of people start out pro-kill and become pro-life as they mature. Some people never mature. When he was an Illinois state senator Barry Hussein used his limited legal muscle to force the good people of Chicago to accept the horrific procedure that replaced Partial Birth Abortion. The abortion geniuses would induce premature birth with chemicals and merely let the premature baby die on a cold stainless table without so much as a blanket to comfort them. Good idea huh?

The whole thing is so barbaric, it astounds me to hear pro-choice people talk about animal suffering and slavery in Africa (or here in America) and talk about the rights of the powerless.

Mothers being led to kill their own unborn babies is about as oppressive as it can possibly get and those babies are the most powerless of all the innocents out there.

Just goes to show how easily people can be convinced of the most irrational propositions.

And all so some of the worst doctors in medicine can make billions in cash.

They make Madoff look like a saint.

 

[Steelplate]

I consider myself 'Pro-Life' but i oppose the Government deciding it for Citizens. So i guess that makes me also 'Pro-Choice.' However,i do support certain restrictions on Abortion. There is a time-frame when Abortion is acceptable or becomes unacceptable. Those Laws are reasonable. So overall i oppose Government banning Abortion but i have to also respect States' Rights in deciding the legality or illegality of it. Abortion is a complicated issue. I agree with Romney on this one for the most part.

People like Pauli want you to think that abortion is a "complicated issue". It's not. They're just cowards.

The abortion issue is simple.

Let women think for themselves.

Yeah, why not infanticide if they want to?

Why not let women kill any of their kids if they want?

How can you burden women with the responsibility of a child that has invaded their bodies?

/sarcasm

And the stupidity just goes on and on.

Irony.... at it's best. Take the bolded part of Bowie's post... then read his last line. Kind of like Santorum talking about people marrying animals when talking about gay rights.

You take shit to the Nth degree, then claim others are "stoopid".

 

[JoeB131]

Jim, not going to waste time answering all your points, so I'll make this simple.

Illegalizing abortion will not end abortion, just drive it underground, which is where it was before it was legalized. Even police states like Nazi Germany couldn't prevent abortions from happening.

Prostitution is illegal, but I could find a prostitute pretty easily if I wanted one. Pot is illegal, but I could score a joint if I really wanted one. What makes you think that abortions will be any harder to get after they are outlawed? Especially since you can induce them with a pill now.

The simple fact is that making something illegal cause more effort and risk to be undertaken to engage in an activity, so it reduces said activity to varying degrees.

But is that a good thing?

Take the prohibition of alcohol. Yeah, maybe it did reduce the amount of drinking that happened. But it also caused folks to drink wood alcohol and other products that were dangerous, it enriched organized crime, corrupted governments (here in Chicago, they cheered Al Capone and booed Herbert Hoover at a White Sox game.)

So was the questionable benefit of the few less people who drank alcohol worth the damage done by those who still wanted to get a drink illegally?

The war on Drugs. We've locked up 2 million people in this country, (compared to any other industrialized nation, where they usually lock up less than 90,000), created a huge prison industrial complex, taxed the people to the breaking point, and guess what, you can still score a joint.

In your world where you get the prudes to ban abortion, you will have thousands of women maimed by sleazy operators, while thousands of babies will be born into poverty or left in dumpsters. (Come on, we can't afford the welfare state we have now.)

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I think most pro-life people now think the best shot is simply to get the 'right' to an abortion removed and let each individual state pass its own law, which is what the situation was prior to Roe. A constitutional amendment that strengthens the 10th amendment and specificaly mentions abortion as one of the issues the federal government cannot regulate is probably the best approach at this point in time.

Gibberish.

No one has a right to an abortion, one has a right to privacy, and in that context banning abortion is un-Constitutional. And one can not ‘strengthen’ an amendment with another amendment, the 10th Amendment would have to be repealed, rewritten, then the Constitution amended with the ‘28th Amendment.’ Last, it is not ‘Federal regulation,’ it’s the upholding of the Constitution with regard to the rule of law, the cornerstone of our Constitutional Republic.

And the right to privacy isn’t an isolated issue addressing abortion alone, the right to privacy is interwoven throughout the entire fabric of the Constitution, it ensures our liberty and freedom from government overreach and religious zealotry; efforts to destroy the right to privacy, therefore, will succeed only in jeopardizing that liberty and freedom.

Yes i fully support States' Rights and do believe they should decide the issue for themselves. And States' Rights are not an 'Opinion.' They're fact & reality. And again,it's not so simple. Romney has mixed emotions on Abortion like most other Americans do. So i can cut him some slack.

There’s no such thing as ‘states’ rights’ as you understand it; the Supremacy Clause and numerous Supreme Court rulings have confirmed the fact that Federal law trumps state, and the 14th Amendment applies the Bill of Rights to the state where incorporated. Consequently, one doesn’t forfeit his civil rights simply because of his state of residence, that the majority of a given state may wish to ban abortion is irrelevant, as the very purpose of the Constitution is to protect the rights of the minority and prevent the tyranny of the majority.

Therefore only two questions remain: are Paul and his supporters merely ignorant of these facts or are they aware of them but hold them in contempt because they don’t conform with the myth they’ve contrived with regard to the Constitution and its meaning.

 

[GoneBezerk]

I'm a pro-life GOPer that will vote for Romney because he is our best shot at beating Obamination.

This non-stop shit of digging up things he supported in the past to get elected in left-wing MA is pathetic.

He is not the same person he was when he was the Gov of MA as a Republican. That should tell you something if he could beat Democrats in that state.

As POTUS he will elect Federal judges that are more pro-life than pro-choice, especially compared to Obamination....so your option is to trash Romney to maintin the shit course we're on with Obamination or stop him with Romney.

 

[paulitician]

I'm a pro-life GOPer that will vote for Romney because he is our best shot at beating Obamination.

This non-stop shit of digging up things he supported in the past to get elected in left-wing MA is pathetic.

He is not the same person he was when he was the Gov of MA as a Republican. That should tell you something if he could beat Democrats in that state.

As POTUS he will elect Federal judges that are more pro-life than pro-choice, especially compared to Obamination....so your option is to trash Romney to maintin the shit course we're on with Obamination or stop him with Romney.

Yup. You summed it up just fine. Romney is no real Conservative but Conservative Republicans are just gonna have to get over that. And i'm one of those Conservatives who will have to get over it. Constantly bitchin & whining about it isn't gonna change anything. Romney's a lock for the nomination. So it's either the Liberal/Moderate Republican or the far Left Socialist/Progressive. Thems be the choices people. It aint fair but it is what it is.

 

[jillian]

Psssst... Bowie.....

Don't vote for him.... simple as that.

Psst,...Plate....I wont.

But thank you for your concern, lol.

why do you rightwingnuts who can't even govern your own lives, want so badly to control everyone else's?

 

[JoeB131]

I'm a pro-life GOPer that will vote for Romney because he is our best shot at beating Obamination.

This non-stop shit of digging up things he supported in the past to get elected in left-wing MA is pathetic.

He is not the same person he was when he was the Gov of MA as a Republican. That should tell you something if he could beat Democrats in that state.

As POTUS he will elect Federal judges that are more pro-life than pro-choice, especially compared to Obamination....so your option is to trash Romney to maintin the shit course we're on with Obamination or stop him with Romney.

YOu mean he was lying then and he isn't lying now?

He finally reached political maturity at the age of 60?

Actually, his beating Democrats wasn't that impressive. His immediate three predecessors were Republicans. Except those guys were sincerely liberal Republicans, they weren't maybe pretending to be.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm a pro-life GOPer that will vote for Romney because he is our best shot at beating Obamination.

This non-stop shit of digging up things he supported in the past to get elected in left-wing MA is pathetic.

He is not the same person he was when he was the Gov of MA as a Republican. That should tell you something if he could beat Democrats in that state.

As POTUS he will elect Federal judges that are more pro-life than pro-choice, especially compared to Obamination....so your option is to trash Romney to maintin the shit course we're on with Obamination or stop him with Romney.

Yup. You summed it up just fine. Romney is no real Conservative but Conservative Republicans are just gonna have to get over that. And i'm one of those Conservatives who will have to get over it. Constantly bitchin & whining about it isn't gonna change anything. Romney's a lock for the nomination. So it's either the Liberal/Moderate Republican or the far Left Socialist/Progressive. Thems be the choices people. It aint fair but it is what it is.

If it's a choice between Romney and Obama, I'd go with Obama.

At least the label is honest.

I'll probably vote third party, though.

 

[paulitician]

Psssst... Bowie.....

Don't vote for him.... simple as that.

Psst,...Plate....I wont.

But thank you for your concern, lol.

why do you rightwingnuts who can't even govern your own lives, want so badly to control everyone else's?

Yeah because you Socialist/Progressive Nanny Staters would never want to do that right? Why do you Socialists/Progressives hate babies so much? Saving a baby's life seems to be the only time you don't want Big Government involved with Citizens' personal lives. You guys are so twisted and confused. And now allow me to post your reply for you because we all know how predictable you are...""

 

[GoneBezerk]

You are the reason why Obamination won in 2008 and might be able to finally destroy this country with another round of shit.

I'm a pro-life GOPer that will vote for Romney because he is our best shot at beating Obamination.

This non-stop shit of digging up things he supported in the past to get elected in left-wing MA is pathetic.

He is not the same person he was when he was the Gov of MA as a Republican. That should tell you something if he could beat Democrats in that state.

As POTUS he will elect Federal judges that are more pro-life than pro-choice, especially compared to Obamination....so your option is to trash Romney to maintin the shit course we're on with Obamination or stop him with Romney.

YOu mean he was lying then and he isn't lying now?

He finally reached political maturity at the age of 60?

Actually, his beating Democrats wasn't that impressive. His immediate three predecessors were Republicans. Except those guys were sincerely liberal Republicans, they weren't maybe pretending to be.