Anti Body Cocktail Given To Trump Is Controversial, But Not Only Because It Is Still Under Trial

[Kilroy2]

New Delhi: US President Donald Trump was given an array of drugs to treat his Covid-19 symptoms. These included remdesivir, steroid dexamethasone, and an experimental cocktail of antibodies by biotech major Regeneron Pharmaceuticals.

While remdesivir and dexamethasone have been known to be used for mild and severe cases of Covid, the eight grams of experimental cocktail Trump was given generated controversy — partly because it is still under trial, but also because it uses a method of research that has stirred Trump’s voter base in the past: embryonic stem cell research.


In a statement on the research in April, the company said: “Regeneron uses a wide variety of research tools and technologies to help discover and develop new therapeutics. Stem cells are one such tool.” It added that there are “limited research efforts employing…human embryonic stem cells.”

Trump has repeatedly identified himself as pro-life, a belief that nothing should harm life once it has been conceived. This is in line with the conservatives, who are often anti-abortion because of their Christian beliefs and make up a chunk of the Republican vote. In 2019, Trump even clamped down on the use of fetal tissue in scientific research.

In March this year, the Washington Post reported that a scientist was forced to abandon his research into a coronavirus treatment because of Trump’s fetal tissue laws.

‘The beginnings of life and the ends of science’

Embryonic stem cell research involves using cells at the embryo stage, when the human egg has been fertilized by sperm. The fertilized egg is referred to as an embryo till the 9th week, after which it is called a fetus.


Embryonic stem cells are sought after in scientific research because they can develop into all cell types of the body. While embryonic cells from abortions are commonly used, Regeneron clarified that it uses embryos that have been “created solely through in vitro fertilization”.


In 2001, the George Bush administration restricted federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Bush, a conservative and Christian, said at the time, “At its core, this issue forces us to confront fundamental questions about the beginnings of life and the ends of science.”

This was changed only after Barack Obama came to power in 2008.

A cocktail of controversy

After Trump took the Oval Office in 2016, a ban or restriction on the use of embryonic and fetal tissue research was always on the cards. In 2019, the government officially imposed restrictions on the federal funding of research requiring fetal tissue.


According to the new rules, scientists must detail why exactly they require fetal tissue and how it will be obtained.

In its statement, Regeneron said it uses embryonic cells that are “approved for research use by the National Institutes of Health” and “adheres to federal and state laws and regulations”.

The cocktail given to Trump includes a mix of two potent antibodies directed against a spike protein found on the novel coronavirus’ surface. The therapy is still under trial. Regeneron released preliminary results last month saying it was safe, reduces viral load, and eases symptoms.


While recovering this week, Trump put out a spate of Tweets about the therapy. One of them said, “PRO LIFE! VOTE!”.




But Twitter users were quick to point out the hypocrisy.

Antibody cocktail given to Trump is controversial, and not only because it’s still under trial

Experimental antibody cocktail Trump was given has generated a row, partly because it uses embryonic stem cell research that has stirred the US president’s voter base in past.

theprint.in

good point about stem cell and unfortunately the repubs will ignore that point. You can hear the LA LA LA LA song.

I am surprised that they didn't use hydrochloroquine as Trump past rhetoric was so positive that it was the cure all

Still he caught the virus so I guess when push comes to shove he will listen to the doctors.

 

[Kilroy2]

There are virtually NO production line drugs made from embryonic human stem cell.. Primarily used to accelerate research... Newer techniques allow fair amounts of stem cells to be separated from human blood and you do not NEED many stem cells to do research..

And by definition -- stem cells are stem cells -- if they are human..

Regeneron carefully worded their statement to say they MOSTLY used mouse embryonic stem cells and human blood stem cells. That's not the same as ONLY those cells, now, is it? Regeneron is not a production line drug.

So -- it's not GOING to mass manufacturing RELYING on human embryonic cells.. It's only in Phase 2.. There's never been a critical drug therapy that made it market RELYING on EMBRYONIC human stem cells.. That whole circus ended about 2005 or so...

If you didn't post bullshit to start with, you wouldn't have to go back and try to reword it.

I haven't change a thing.. I'm arguing with folks that don't know the history of Human embryonic stem usage.. Name me a mass distribution drug that IS NOT customized that RELIES on Human embryonic stem cells solely or even in part.. There are none.. It's that damn simple.

We aren't talking about a mass distribution drug. We're talking about the drug cocktail that Trump is taking. Quit trying to change the subject.

This IS the subject. I'm ON the subject.. I SAID Regeneron is still in trials.. I SAID that no human embryo stem cells need to be used in the MASS production.. HOWEVER -- what some folks call "wiggly statement" from Regeneron is actually just being totally honest. You cannot use mice or rats to produce the effective therapy without finding RARE SMALL amounts of the ORIGINAL human embryonic stem cell as "contaminants".. These are NOT propagated human embryonic stem cells..

How does a rat get human cells? Are you saying they just don't wash their glassware good enough? The drugs that Trump receives have human stem cells in them.

lol moron doesn't know how DNA works and that the reason mice are used in medical research is that they share some 90% of human DNA with us.

Oh so that is why a book was written "Of mice and men" A story of migrant workers. Just some humor , you guys are getting vocal

 

[flacaltenn]

There are virtually NO production line drugs made from embryonic human stem cell.. Primarily used to accelerate research... Newer techniques allow fair amounts of stem cells to be separated from human blood and you do not NEED many stem cells to do research..

And by definition -- stem cells are stem cells -- if they are human..

Regeneron carefully worded their statement to say they MOSTLY used mouse embryonic stem cells and human blood stem cells. That's not the same as ONLY those cells, now, is it? Regeneron is not a production line drug.

So -- it's not GOING to mass manufacturing RELYING on human embryonic cells.. It's only in Phase 2.. There's never been a critical drug therapy that made it market RELYING on EMBRYONIC human stem cells.. That whole circus ended about 2005 or so...

If you didn't post bullshit to start with, you wouldn't have to go back and try to reword it.

I haven't change a thing.. I'm arguing with folks that don't know the history of Human embryonic stem usage.. Name me a mass distribution drug that IS NOT customized that RELIES on Human embryonic stem cells solely or even in part.. There are none.. It's that damn simple.

We aren't talking about a mass distribution drug. We're talking about the drug cocktail that Trump is taking. Quit trying to change the subject.

This IS the subject. I'm ON the subject.. I SAID Regeneron is still in trials.. I SAID that no human embryo stem cells need to be used in the MASS production.. HOWEVER -- what some folks call "wiggly statement" from Regeneron is actually just being totally honest. You cannot use mice or rats to produce the effective therapy without finding RARE SMALL amounts of the ORIGINAL human embryonic stem cell as "contaminants".. These are NOT propagated human embryonic stem cells..

How does a rat get human cells? Are you saying they just don't wash their glassware good enough? The drugs that Trump receives have human stem cells in them.

lol moron doesn't know how DNA works and that the reason mice are used in medical research is that they share some 90% of human DNA with us.

Oh so that is why a book was written "Of mice and men" A story of migrant workers. Just some humor , you guys are getting vocal

Let's not get carried away here.. A banana has about 55% human DNA. It our closest PRODUCE relative. LOL. I'll skip the sketchy comments..

Maybe 90% of total DNA in ANYTHING alive is currently believed to be "useless crap" that just remains as species evolved.. Slowly, we're figuring out what's IN that 90% originally believed to be junk..

 

[theHawk]

TRUMP'S UNAPROVED MEDICINE CONTAINS EMBRIONIC CELLS!!!

No it doesn’t, moron. Learn to read.

 

[bravoactual]

New Delhi: US President Donald Trump was given an array of drugs to treat his Covid-19 symptoms. These included remdesivir, steroid dexamethasone, and an experimental cocktail of antibodies by biotech major Regeneron Pharmaceuticals.

While remdesivir and dexamethasone have been known to be used for mild and severe cases of Covid, the eight grams of experimental cocktail Trump was given generated controversy — partly because it is still under trial, but also because it uses a method of research that has stirred Trump’s voter base in the past: embryonic stem cell research.


In a statement on the research in April, the company said: “Regeneron uses a wide variety of research tools and technologies to help discover and develop new therapeutics. Stem cells are one such tool.” It added that there are “limited research efforts employing…human embryonic stem cells.”

Trump has repeatedly identified himself as pro-life, a belief that nothing should harm life once it has been conceived. This is in line with the conservatives, who are often anti-abortion because of their Christian beliefs and make up a chunk of the Republican vote. In 2019, Trump even clamped down on the use of fetal tissue in scientific research.

In March this year, the Washington Post reported that a scientist was forced to abandon his research into a coronavirus treatment because of Trump’s fetal tissue laws.

‘The beginnings of life and the ends of science’

Embryonic stem cell research involves using cells at the embryo stage, when the human egg has been fertilized by sperm. The fertilized egg is referred to as an embryo till the 9th week, after which it is called a fetus.


Embryonic stem cells are sought after in scientific research because they can develop into all cell types of the body. While embryonic cells from abortions are commonly used, Regeneron clarified that it uses embryos that have been “created solely through in vitro fertilization”.


In 2001, the George Bush administration restricted federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Bush, a conservative and Christian, said at the time, “At its core, this issue forces us to confront fundamental questions about the beginnings of life and the ends of science.”

This was changed only after Barack Obama came to power in 2008.

A cocktail of controversy

After Trump took the Oval Office in 2016, a ban or restriction on the use of embryonic and fetal tissue research was always on the cards. In 2019, the government officially imposed restrictions on the federal funding of research requiring fetal tissue.


According to the new rules, scientists must detail why exactly they require fetal tissue and how it will be obtained.

In its statement, Regeneron said it uses embryonic cells that are “approved for research use by the National Institutes of Health” and “adheres to federal and state laws and regulations”.

The cocktail given to Trump includes a mix of two potent antibodies directed against a spike protein found on the novel coronavirus’ surface. The therapy is still under trial. Regeneron released preliminary results last month saying it was safe, reduces viral load, and eases symptoms.


While recovering this week, Trump put out a spate of Tweets about the therapy. One of them said, “PRO LIFE! VOTE!”.




But Twitter users were quick to point out the hypocrisy.

Antibody cocktail given to Trump is controversial, and not only because it’s still under trial

Experimental antibody cocktail Trump was given has generated a row, partly because it uses embryonic stem cell research that has stirred the US president’s voter base in past.

theprint.in

How about them apples all you so-called Rightous "Right To Life" Asshole. Aborted Babies saved you Russian Loving Asshat Draft Dodger......

 

[theHawk]

There are virtually NO production line drugs made from embryonic human stem cell.. Primarily used to accelerate research... Newer techniques allow fair amounts of stem cells to be separated from human blood and you do not NEED many stem cells to do research..

And by definition -- stem cells are stem cells -- if they are human..

Regeneron carefully worded their statement to say they MOSTLY used mouse embryonic stem cells and human blood stem cells. That's not the same as ONLY those cells, now, is it? Regeneron is not a production line drug.

So -- it's not GOING to mass manufacturing RELYING on human embryonic cells.. It's only in Phase 2.. There's never been a critical drug therapy that made it market RELYING on EMBRYONIC human stem cells.. That whole circus ended about 2005 or so...

Nothing in the article states that this treatment in any way uses embryonic stem cells. The company merely stated in the past it has used stem cell research for its findings.

 

[flacaltenn]

There are virtually NO production line drugs made from embryonic human stem cell.. Primarily used to accelerate research... Newer techniques allow fair amounts of stem cells to be separated from human blood and you do not NEED many stem cells to do research..

And by definition -- stem cells are stem cells -- if they are human..

Regeneron carefully worded their statement to say they MOSTLY used mouse embryonic stem cells and human blood stem cells. That's not the same as ONLY those cells, now, is it? Regeneron is not a production line drug.

So -- it's not GOING to mass manufacturing RELYING on human embryonic cells.. It's only in Phase 2.. There's never been a critical drug therapy that made it market RELYING on EMBRYONIC human stem cells.. That whole circus ended about 2005 or so...

Nothing in the article states that this treatment in any way uses embryonic stem cells. The company merely stated in the past it has used stem cell research for its findings.

They are purposely cagey about it because Human embryonic cells could be USED in the research phase to test efficacy of drugs including this one.. But NOT in mass production.. The very 1st batches of it MIGHT have contained human embryonic cell debris... THey DO NOT want to be sued..

 

[theHawk]

There are virtually NO production line drugs made from embryonic human stem cell.. Primarily used to accelerate research... Newer techniques allow fair amounts of stem cells to be separated from human blood and you do not NEED many stem cells to do research..

And by definition -- stem cells are stem cells -- if they are human..

Regeneron carefully worded their statement to say they MOSTLY used mouse embryonic stem cells and human blood stem cells. That's not the same as ONLY those cells, now, is it? Regeneron is not a production line drug.

So -- it's not GOING to mass manufacturing RELYING on human embryonic cells.. It's only in Phase 2.. There's never been a critical drug therapy that made it market RELYING on EMBRYONIC human stem cells.. That whole circus ended about 2005 or so...

Nothing in the article states that this treatment in any way uses embryonic stem cells. The company merely stated in the past it has used stem cell research for its findings.

They are purposely cagey about it because Human embryonic cells could be USED in the research phase to test efficacy of drugs including this one.. But NOT in mass production.. The very 1st batches of it MIGHT have contained human embryonic cell debris... THey DO NOT want to be sued..

There is zero evidence for that. It’s just more hokum from the left based on the company saying they had used stem cell research in the past. They have to find any excuse to attack President Trump and of course the treatment he got.

 

[Penelope]

I thought you pro life people were anti selling fetal body parts, but now your fine with it.

 

[Picaro]

I thought you pro life people were anti selling fetal body parts, but now your fine with it.

Just a reminder that you haven't Denounced white Supremacy since yesterday, so you must be embracing it now, same as your claims Trump did.

 

[Picaro]

There are virtually NO production line drugs made from embryonic human stem cell.. Primarily used to accelerate research... Newer techniques allow fair amounts of stem cells to be separated from human blood and you do not NEED many stem cells to do research..

And by definition -- stem cells are stem cells -- if they are human..

Regeneron carefully worded their statement to say they MOSTLY used mouse embryonic stem cells and human blood stem cells. That's not the same as ONLY those cells, now, is it? Regeneron is not a production line drug.

So -- it's not GOING to mass manufacturing RELYING on human embryonic cells.. It's only in Phase 2.. There's never been a critical drug therapy that made it market RELYING on EMBRYONIC human stem cells.. That whole circus ended about 2005 or so...

Nothing in the article states that this treatment in any way uses embryonic stem cells. The company merely stated in the past it has used stem cell research for its findings.

Yes, but he's not talking to sane people here, so facts aren't really relevant. And besides that, they probably used black mice to experiment on, too, because white mice are privileged.

 

[eagle1462010]

I thought you pro life people were anti selling fetal body parts, but now your fine with it.

I used to be against abortion...........but after listening to idiots like you........I agree with it........you shouldn't breed.

 

[playtime]

TRUMP'S UNAPROVED MEDICINE CONTAINS EMBRIONIC CELLS!!!

Yep, he's hopped up on murdered baby cells right now as we speak.

No word yet from Amy Coney Barret.

make that amy phony barret.

 

[Canon Shooter]

New Delhi: US President Donald Trump was given an array of drugs to treat his Covid-19 symptoms. These included remdesivir, steroid dexamethasone, and an experimental cocktail of antibodies by biotech major Regeneron Pharmaceuticals.

While remdesivir and dexamethasone have been known to be used for mild and severe cases of Covid, the eight grams of experimental cocktail Trump was given generated controversy — partly because it is still under trial, but also because it uses a method of research that has stirred Trump’s voter base in the past: embryonic stem cell research.


In a statement on the research in April, the company said: “Regeneron uses a wide variety of research tools and technologies to help discover and develop new therapeutics. Stem cells are one such tool.” It added that there are “limited research efforts employing…human embryonic stem cells.”

Trump has repeatedly identified himself as pro-life, a belief that nothing should harm life once it has been conceived. This is in line with the conservatives, who are often anti-abortion because of their Christian beliefs and make up a chunk of the Republican vote. In 2019, Trump even clamped down on the use of fetal tissue in scientific research.

In March this year, the Washington Post reported that a scientist was forced to abandon his research into a coronavirus treatment because of Trump’s fetal tissue laws.

‘The beginnings of life and the ends of science’

Embryonic stem cell research involves using cells at the embryo stage, when the human egg has been fertilized by sperm. The fertilized egg is referred to as an embryo till the 9th week, after which it is called a fetus.


Embryonic stem cells are sought after in scientific research because they can develop into all cell types of the body. While embryonic cells from abortions are commonly used, Regeneron clarified that it uses embryos that have been “created solely through in vitro fertilization”.


In 2001, the George Bush administration restricted federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Bush, a conservative and Christian, said at the time, “At its core, this issue forces us to confront fundamental questions about the beginnings of life and the ends of science.”

This was changed only after Barack Obama came to power in 2008.

A cocktail of controversy

After Trump took the Oval Office in 2016, a ban or restriction on the use of embryonic and fetal tissue research was always on the cards. In 2019, the government officially imposed restrictions on the federal funding of research requiring fetal tissue.


According to the new rules, scientists must detail why exactly they require fetal tissue and how it will be obtained.

In its statement, Regeneron said it uses embryonic cells that are “approved for research use by the National Institutes of Health” and “adheres to federal and state laws and regulations”.

The cocktail given to Trump includes a mix of two potent antibodies directed against a spike protein found on the novel coronavirus’ surface. The therapy is still under trial. Regeneron released preliminary results last month saying it was safe, reduces viral load, and eases symptoms.


While recovering this week, Trump put out a spate of Tweets about the therapy. One of them said, “PRO LIFE! VOTE!”.




But Twitter users were quick to point out the hypocrisy.

Antibody cocktail given to Trump is controversial, and not only because it’s still under trial

Experimental antibody cocktail Trump was given has generated a row, partly because it uses embryonic stem cell research that has stirred the US president’s voter base in past.

theprint.in

Its perfectly safe but the CDC...that agency that shut us down is going to drag their feet and slow any progress....the FDA listens to the CDC and that is a huge mistake....because the CDC listens to the WHO that is owned by China.....

Are you OK with Trump's medicine containing embryonic cells?

I know I am...

 

[badger2]

Regeneron does not need to skirt the issue or use guarded language to avoid being sued. Does Eli Lilly’s LY-COV555 use human stem cells or ESCs? Because sooner or later, Trump’s medicine tech is going to win.

 

[BULLDOG]

There are virtually NO production line drugs made from embryonic human stem cell.. Primarily used to accelerate research... Newer techniques allow fair amounts of stem cells to be separated from human blood and you do not NEED many stem cells to do research..

And by definition -- stem cells are stem cells -- if they are human..

Regeneron carefully worded their statement to say they MOSTLY used mouse embryonic stem cells and human blood stem cells. That's not the same as ONLY those cells, now, is it? Regeneron is not a production line drug.

So -- it's not GOING to mass manufacturing RELYING on human embryonic cells.. It's only in Phase 2.. There's never been a critical drug therapy that made it market RELYING on EMBRYONIC human stem cells.. That whole circus ended about 2005 or so...

If you didn't post bullshit to start with, you wouldn't have to go back and try to reword it.

I haven't change a thing.. I'm arguing with folks that don't know the history of Human embryonic stem usage.. Name me a mass distribution drug that IS NOT customized that RELIES on Human embryonic stem cells solely or even in part.. There are none.. It's that damn simple.

We aren't talking about a mass distribution drug. We're talking about the drug cocktail that Trump is taking. Quit trying to change the subject.

This IS the subject. I'm ON the subject.. I SAID Regeneron is still in trials.. I SAID that no human embryo stem cells need to be used in the MASS production.. HOWEVER -- what some folks call "wiggly statement" from Regeneron is actually just being totally honest. You cannot use mice or rats to produce the effective therapy without finding RARE SMALL amounts of the ORIGINAL human embryonic stem cell as "contaminants".. These are NOT propagated human embryonic stem cells..

How does a rat get human cells? Are you saying they just don't wash their glassware good enough? The drugs that Trump receives have human stem cells in them.

lol moron doesn't know how DNA works and that the reason mice are used in medical research is that they share some 90% of human DNA with us.

No dumb ass. He said there were small amounts of human stem cells leftover in the process. That has nothing to do with the similarity between the two types of cell.

 

[Picaro]

There are virtually NO production line drugs made from embryonic human stem cell.. Primarily used to accelerate research... Newer techniques allow fair amounts of stem cells to be separated from human blood and you do not NEED many stem cells to do research..

And by definition -- stem cells are stem cells -- if they are human..

Regeneron carefully worded their statement to say they MOSTLY used mouse embryonic stem cells and human blood stem cells. That's not the same as ONLY those cells, now, is it? Regeneron is not a production line drug.

So -- it's not GOING to mass manufacturing RELYING on human embryonic cells.. It's only in Phase 2.. There's never been a critical drug therapy that made it market RELYING on EMBRYONIC human stem cells.. That whole circus ended about 2005 or so...

If you didn't post bullshit to start with, you wouldn't have to go back and try to reword it.

I haven't change a thing.. I'm arguing with folks that don't know the history of Human embryonic stem usage.. Name me a mass distribution drug that IS NOT customized that RELIES on Human embryonic stem cells solely or even in part.. There are none.. It's that damn simple.

We aren't talking about a mass distribution drug. We're talking about the drug cocktail that Trump is taking. Quit trying to change the subject.

This IS the subject. I'm ON the subject.. I SAID Regeneron is still in trials.. I SAID that no human embryo stem cells need to be used in the MASS production.. HOWEVER -- what some folks call "wiggly statement" from Regeneron is actually just being totally honest. You cannot use mice or rats to produce the effective therapy without finding RARE SMALL amounts of the ORIGINAL human embryonic stem cell as "contaminants".. These are NOT propagated human embryonic stem cells..

How does a rat get human cells? Are you saying they just don't wash their glassware good enough? The drugs that Trump receives have human stem cells in them.

lol moron doesn't know how DNA works and that the reason mice are used in medical research is that they share some 90% of human DNA with us.

Oh so that is why a book was written "Of mice and men" A story of migrant workers. Just some humor , you guys are getting vocal

Let's not get carried away here.. A banana has about 55% human DNA. It our closest PRODUCE relative. LOL. I'll skip the sketchy comments..

Maybe 90% of total DNA in ANYTHING alive is currently believed to be "useless crap" that just remains as species evolved.. Slowly, we're figuring out what's IN that 90% originally believed to be junk..

Some new theories include the idea that all cells are 'smart', and can self-repair damage via its own motivations, for one, which would seem obvious that in order to adapt to new environments that would be the case. It kinds of screws over many of the 'evolution' claims in the process, but that's good, too, since that whole line of pseudoscience was politicized right from the start of Darwin's publishing his studies.

 

[badger2]

When a virus infects a cell, it kidnaps its machinery, sometimes including the repair mechanisms. But when an antibody such as REGN-COV2 clamps onto COVID-19, it’s game is over.

 

[Kilroy2]

Still the antibody treatment given to him does not have the benefit of clinical analysis which shows how beneficial it really is.

It appears they were throwing everything they had at him and I can't blame them as if they failed it would be problematic and with election right around the corner Trump was saying get me back on the road.

i can testify that those steroids will give you an initial push of feeling better but it will wear off

The problem is that now Trump will taut the benefits without any objective testing. First it was hydroxychloroquine which now has everyone selling it online. Thanks to Trump promotion. He was saying that he had not caught the virus and giving it the reason why. Now we know that that was a falsehood.

It may work out but lets do the work necessary to ensure that it does make a difference.

While monoclonal antibody treatment may hold promise for COVID-19, its clinical benefit has yet to be proven, said experts from the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA).

 

[badger2]

The media keeps with the scenario that the cup is half empty, not half full. Regeneron’s CEO follows suit, though most do not know that the Recovery Trial was sabotaged, the trial most base their opinions on regarding hydroxychloroquine.