Mr. Shaman
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From the CIA:
According to the CIA, regarding the courier who led us to bin Laden:
Detainees gave us his nom de guerre or his nickname and identified him as both a protégé of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of September 11th, and a trusted assistant of Abu Faraj al-Libbi, the former number three of al Qaeda who was captured in 2005.
Detainees also identified this man as one of the few al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden. They indicated he might be living with and protecting bin Laden. But for years, we were unable to identify his true name or his location.
Four years ago, we uncovered his identity, and for operational reasons, I can’t go into details about his name or how we identified him, but about two years ago, after months of persistent effort, we identified areas in Pakistan where the courier and his brother operated.
So despite being waterboarded dozens and dozens of times in a secret prison, neither al-Libbi nor KSM revealed the name of Osama's courier...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SKzARMAp8E]YouTube - Countdown with Keith Olbermann- Torturing results in lies 6-16-09 (Part 3 of 4)[/ame]
.....until, at least 4 years after their waterboarding stopped and they had been transferred back to American custody to be interrogated by the FBI and military interrogators explicitly NOT using harsh interrogation techniques. Then they finally gave up his real name during "normal interrogation" which allowed us in 2009 to find out where he was, this August track him down, and this weekend kill him after he led us to Osama bin Laden.
So during waterboarding? No intel used to get bin Laden.
During regular interrogation? Intel used to get bin Laden.
According to the CIA's own timeline and champion of waterboarding Donald Rumsfeld's own comments.
Can't claim this one as a victory for torture, sorry to burst your bubble.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-wC8TYNOq0]YouTube - Keith & The Torture Timeline - Former Interrogator Matthew Alexander Interview 4/23/09[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqFO6velBOM]YouTube - Countdown: "Matthew Alexander" on Torture[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqFO6velBOM]YouTube - Countdown: "Matthew Alexander" on Torture[/ame]
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