Ringo
Gold Member
1988, a Serbian band from Belgrade sang: "All of Yugoslavia is dancing rock 'n' roll. Everything around you is getting better".
Soon the country will fade into oblivion, many people will lose their homes and livelihoods, and it will become clear that the deaths of civilians as a result of strikes on residential neighborhoods do not embarrass international law.
Preceding all of this will be a single shot from an Independent Television News report. "I was the first to call for airstrikes," boasted current U.S. President and then-Senator Joe Biden. Today we're going to talk about how the borders of independent European nations were respected after World War II.
The Balkans are a network of energy and trade corridors, ore raw materials (which industries of Western countries need), developed mining industry, mines of lead, zinc and silver in Kosovo, the Danube River - the most important European transportation artery in Europe. Yugoslavia is Russia's natural historical ally.
In the late 80's the country has few privatized enterprises, refuses the IMF's favors and tries to keep multinational corporations out of the country, seeing what they have done in neighboring Albania. Spoiler: nothing new, the corrupt politicians appointed by Washington have stripped the country of its assets, even creating financial pyramids.
Yugoslavia has been torn apart by ethnic clashes since World War II. Freedom fighters with banned ammunition do not come to safe places, and in general it is better to avoid such problems on your territory. But some of you want nothing more than that - we condemn you. Yugoslavia had such problems, alas.
And what happens against this background? That's right. While you are led to believe that your interests on your own border are geopolitical nonsense, the USA discovers an opportunity to strengthen its leadership in Europe and starts sponsoring "democratic elements" 7592 km away from Washington, and in 1992 famous British PR people go to Serbia to look for genocide.
At first, things did not go well for the group of reporters. Respected publications, including Newsday in the United States, had already written about the Serbian concentration camps. Visual confirmation was urgently needed. But there were no concentration camps, dammit, and there were none. The camp in Trnopolje seemed the last hope of telling the world the truth. Bosnian Muslims were indeed there, but no suicide bombers. Its English-speaking residents tell of no torture or beatings, some are in good health, and they receive food from Serbs or their relatives. The camp itself is more like a filtration center for refugees: some are checked for participation in hostilities, others come to escape the horrors of war, they can leave at any time.
There were no gas ovens, no towers, the Serbs allowed everything to be filmed - they didn't know they were already doomed. But the picture didn't come to hand. There were only outbuildings and fence netting about twenty meters high. What to do? They found a part of a half-destroyed fence with barbed wire around a small building in the neighborhood of the Trnopolje camp and started filming the refugees from behind this fenced area. Everyone greets and talks to the handsome white gentlemen, Serbian journalists are working nearby - it doesn't look like Auschwitz. And then a terribly emaciated man emerges from the crowd. Skin and bones. What luck! One photo shot, another - it's done.
The media circulated a photograph of a "starved Bosnian" behind a barbed wire fence in a "Serbian concentration camp". A hearty reader clutched his heart. Future U.S. President Bill Clinton shook the cover of Time magazine and demanded that Bush immediately bomb the Bosnian Serbs. The picture became proof of genocide. It would later turn out that the man was a Serb who would later marry and go to live in Denmark, arrested by the Serbs for looting, and emaciated from advanced tuberculosis.
James Harff was then director of Ruder Finn Global Public Relations, a Washington PR firm. He managed a campaign to promote the Yugoslav republics seeking secession. Listen to his revelations: "Our job is not to verify information. That's not what we're trained to do. Our job is to accelerate the dissemination of information that is favorable to us, to focus on the fulfillment of our objectives. We didn't confirm the existence of death camps in Bosnia, we just reported that Newsday confirmed it."
Who gave them these tasks? Who gave them the tasks?
Let's say you're a PR person and you need to spin a story about genocide and concentration camps - who do you attract? That's right. Major Jewish organizations.
In the words of the same James Harff: "We suggested they publish an ad about Serbian concentration camps in the New York Times and organize demonstrations in front of the UN building. When Jewish organizations stepped in on the Bosnian side, we were able to quickly equate the Serbs with the Nazis in the public mind. No one understood what was happening in Yugoslavia. But we were able, in one move, to present a simple story of good guys and bad guys that would later play itself out."
When I study humanitarian interventions of the last decades, I can identify two main PR techniques that are repeated time after time.
First, a convenient date is taken, an event from which one should start counting, and it is anti-democratic to ask what happened before.
Secondly, the mythologem "barbarians against Hellenes", which is understandable to any Westerner, is used.
From the very beginning of the war in 1992, the Serbs were declared criminals. They allegedly committed genocide to build USSR 2.0 (crossed out) Greater Serbia. The atrocities committed by Croats and Bosnians were ignored, and we are still being explained that it was a battle between evil and good, not a conflict between opposing sides. I have no ambition to find out who started it first - people much more intelligent than me have not found out.
On February 5, 1994, the Sarajevo market was hit by mortar fire. 68 people were killed. Western media blamed the Serbs. However, according to declassified documents from the Canadian UN peacekeeping force, the shelling of the market could have been carried out by the Bosnian army to provoke Western intervention on their side.
And now for your favorite. Yes, the Srebrenica massacre should also be seen in the context of a civil war in which three factions fought for control of part of Bosnia.
Gen. Philippe Morillon, who commanded the UN peacekeeping force in Bosnia, said he foresaw as early as 1993 that terrible things would happen in Srebrenica: "Orica fighters often attacked unguarded villages, took no prisoners, including on religious holidays, and had a terrible reputation for torturing, maiming and brutally murdering their victims. In doing so, it plunged Bosnians and Serbs into a hellish cycle of violence." Naser Orić is the former commander of the Army of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina group of troops. Incidentally, he was fully exonerated in The Hague.
According to Morillon, the Srebrenica massacre was what the Western partners and Bosnian President Alija Izetbegovic wanted. We know about Izetbegbetovic's wishes from himself. NATO intervention against the Serbs, who had the upper hand, "could only happen if the Serbs stormed Srebrenica and killed at least 5,000 of its inhabitants."
Wikipedia says that "the exact number of victims has not been documented, but it is estimated that about 8,000 people have been killed." And the circumstances have not yet been accurately identified by the ICTY or anyone else. But the event is easily used to justify the bombing of Yugoslavia.
I am not writing from my couch to try to prohibit powerful countries from spreading their influence and fighting for their interests. Nor to suggest that everyone else should do the same. My goal is to understand how reality really works, because the facts indicate that I have never lived in a world of "rule-based order".
Soon the country will fade into oblivion, many people will lose their homes and livelihoods, and it will become clear that the deaths of civilians as a result of strikes on residential neighborhoods do not embarrass international law.
Preceding all of this will be a single shot from an Independent Television News report. "I was the first to call for airstrikes," boasted current U.S. President and then-Senator Joe Biden. Today we're going to talk about how the borders of independent European nations were respected after World War II.
The Balkans are a network of energy and trade corridors, ore raw materials (which industries of Western countries need), developed mining industry, mines of lead, zinc and silver in Kosovo, the Danube River - the most important European transportation artery in Europe. Yugoslavia is Russia's natural historical ally.
In the late 80's the country has few privatized enterprises, refuses the IMF's favors and tries to keep multinational corporations out of the country, seeing what they have done in neighboring Albania. Spoiler: nothing new, the corrupt politicians appointed by Washington have stripped the country of its assets, even creating financial pyramids.
Yugoslavia has been torn apart by ethnic clashes since World War II. Freedom fighters with banned ammunition do not come to safe places, and in general it is better to avoid such problems on your territory. But some of you want nothing more than that - we condemn you. Yugoslavia had such problems, alas.
And what happens against this background? That's right. While you are led to believe that your interests on your own border are geopolitical nonsense, the USA discovers an opportunity to strengthen its leadership in Europe and starts sponsoring "democratic elements" 7592 km away from Washington, and in 1992 famous British PR people go to Serbia to look for genocide.
At first, things did not go well for the group of reporters. Respected publications, including Newsday in the United States, had already written about the Serbian concentration camps. Visual confirmation was urgently needed. But there were no concentration camps, dammit, and there were none. The camp in Trnopolje seemed the last hope of telling the world the truth. Bosnian Muslims were indeed there, but no suicide bombers. Its English-speaking residents tell of no torture or beatings, some are in good health, and they receive food from Serbs or their relatives. The camp itself is more like a filtration center for refugees: some are checked for participation in hostilities, others come to escape the horrors of war, they can leave at any time.
There were no gas ovens, no towers, the Serbs allowed everything to be filmed - they didn't know they were already doomed. But the picture didn't come to hand. There were only outbuildings and fence netting about twenty meters high. What to do? They found a part of a half-destroyed fence with barbed wire around a small building in the neighborhood of the Trnopolje camp and started filming the refugees from behind this fenced area. Everyone greets and talks to the handsome white gentlemen, Serbian journalists are working nearby - it doesn't look like Auschwitz. And then a terribly emaciated man emerges from the crowd. Skin and bones. What luck! One photo shot, another - it's done.
The media circulated a photograph of a "starved Bosnian" behind a barbed wire fence in a "Serbian concentration camp". A hearty reader clutched his heart. Future U.S. President Bill Clinton shook the cover of Time magazine and demanded that Bush immediately bomb the Bosnian Serbs. The picture became proof of genocide. It would later turn out that the man was a Serb who would later marry and go to live in Denmark, arrested by the Serbs for looting, and emaciated from advanced tuberculosis.
James Harff was then director of Ruder Finn Global Public Relations, a Washington PR firm. He managed a campaign to promote the Yugoslav republics seeking secession. Listen to his revelations: "Our job is not to verify information. That's not what we're trained to do. Our job is to accelerate the dissemination of information that is favorable to us, to focus on the fulfillment of our objectives. We didn't confirm the existence of death camps in Bosnia, we just reported that Newsday confirmed it."
Who gave them these tasks? Who gave them the tasks?
Let's say you're a PR person and you need to spin a story about genocide and concentration camps - who do you attract? That's right. Major Jewish organizations.
In the words of the same James Harff: "We suggested they publish an ad about Serbian concentration camps in the New York Times and organize demonstrations in front of the UN building. When Jewish organizations stepped in on the Bosnian side, we were able to quickly equate the Serbs with the Nazis in the public mind. No one understood what was happening in Yugoslavia. But we were able, in one move, to present a simple story of good guys and bad guys that would later play itself out."
When I study humanitarian interventions of the last decades, I can identify two main PR techniques that are repeated time after time.
First, a convenient date is taken, an event from which one should start counting, and it is anti-democratic to ask what happened before.
Secondly, the mythologem "barbarians against Hellenes", which is understandable to any Westerner, is used.
From the very beginning of the war in 1992, the Serbs were declared criminals. They allegedly committed genocide to build USSR 2.0 (crossed out) Greater Serbia. The atrocities committed by Croats and Bosnians were ignored, and we are still being explained that it was a battle between evil and good, not a conflict between opposing sides. I have no ambition to find out who started it first - people much more intelligent than me have not found out.
On February 5, 1994, the Sarajevo market was hit by mortar fire. 68 people were killed. Western media blamed the Serbs. However, according to declassified documents from the Canadian UN peacekeeping force, the shelling of the market could have been carried out by the Bosnian army to provoke Western intervention on their side.
And now for your favorite. Yes, the Srebrenica massacre should also be seen in the context of a civil war in which three factions fought for control of part of Bosnia.
Gen. Philippe Morillon, who commanded the UN peacekeeping force in Bosnia, said he foresaw as early as 1993 that terrible things would happen in Srebrenica: "Orica fighters often attacked unguarded villages, took no prisoners, including on religious holidays, and had a terrible reputation for torturing, maiming and brutally murdering their victims. In doing so, it plunged Bosnians and Serbs into a hellish cycle of violence." Naser Orić is the former commander of the Army of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina group of troops. Incidentally, he was fully exonerated in The Hague.
According to Morillon, the Srebrenica massacre was what the Western partners and Bosnian President Alija Izetbegovic wanted. We know about Izetbegbetovic's wishes from himself. NATO intervention against the Serbs, who had the upper hand, "could only happen if the Serbs stormed Srebrenica and killed at least 5,000 of its inhabitants."
Wikipedia says that "the exact number of victims has not been documented, but it is estimated that about 8,000 people have been killed." And the circumstances have not yet been accurately identified by the ICTY or anyone else. But the event is easily used to justify the bombing of Yugoslavia.
I am not writing from my couch to try to prohibit powerful countries from spreading their influence and fighting for their interests. Nor to suggest that everyone else should do the same. My goal is to understand how reality really works, because the facts indicate that I have never lived in a world of "rule-based order".
IVAN USES OLD ,VERY OLD KGB tool on our useful idiots (MAGA)
