Republicans lead us to Marxism, Dems saving us from it

[Mikeoxenormous]

FIRST, simply Marxism says that ultimately capitalism results in a small group of hyper-winners and an overwhelming number of losers resulting in the losers taking physical control (revolt/revolution) based on a numbers advantage.

Link?

I don’t subscribe to the solution but the progression to instability is on point.

What Is Marxism? Explanation In Simple Terms

Get a clear definition of Marxism in simple terms. Find out who created Marxist theory and when. See how it is used in modern-day government.

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The main points of Marxism include:

• Capitalism is broken into two classes: workers and capitalists (proletariats and bourgeoisies).
• Those that control the corporations exploit workers and control society.
• Eventually, workers will rise up to make everyone even and get rid of classes.

Mark Zuckerberg is worth about $120 billion, Elon Musk $150 billion and Jeff Bezos...$180 billion.

Why does their wealth cause instablilty?

Because someone like lazy ass Joe doesnt want to get off his ass, and create something like those guys did. Of course the employees of Amazon, Fakebook and Tesla could all buy some shares of their companies stocks, which over time would make them very rich, but like Joe, many are too scared to take the risk, and so wont end up wealthy, but miserable old hags who must bitch and moan, how unfair life is....

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Who the hell is paying minimum wage besides tip based jobs?

The local amusement park....................


Those open positions will pay $18 an hour for the 2021 season. The positions that are available include food and beverage workers, lifeguards and security associates.

All other open positions will pay $15 and up. Those positions are open to those aged 16 or older.
Kings Island recently raised wages to $15 an hour minimum across the park.
The park has also begun a new bonus program where associates are now eligible to earn up to a $3,000 bonus.

Kings Island announces it has 900 job openings that pay $18 an hour

MASON, Ohio (WKRC) - If you are looking for a job this summer, Kings Island is hiring, and they have quite a number of openings! 900 job openings, to be exact. Those open positions will pay $18 an hour for the 2021 season. The positions that are available include food and beverage workers...

local12.com

Kings Island, that is just up from Cincinnati on I-71, used to go there a long time ago....Graduated from Princeton...

 

[Wyatt earp]

Of course is does, I am moving to La Crosse Wisconsin this Saturday for a easy $25 an hour job with employee housing after 3 years being in Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho .

I was going to move to Spokane Washington but the job boards and cost of living told me otherwise

Why would I want to make a few bucks over minimum wage when I can make 3 times as much?

Congrats. You make the minimum wage for the year 1968. That means at your higher output level you crank out (you’re not doing min wage productivity) your strong skills is are rewarded like a low output clerk in 1968.

See the problem. You wanna know who benefits from your increased productivity? Whoever owns your company or whoever you are contracting with. Welcome to slavery 2021 style.

So you want Marxism/socialism where everyone gets paid the same, admit it

 

[citygator]

This is pure Alinsky crap but why do lefties continue to behave as if they lost the freaking election? All they have been doing is whining since inauguration day. Is it some sort of reaction to the disappointment of having a mentally impaired old man staggering around the White House?

Geez. Talk about out of left field. The only people who knows who Alinsky is are right wingers. It’s boogeyman time now on this thread. Keep an eye out for Soros.

Democrats won the Presidency by a narrow margin electorally, have a tie in the Senate and a narrow but comfy margin in the most democratic body, the house. For us to progress as a nation the Republicans need to put on their big boy britches and come to the table on inequity statistics I pointed out. We need wage increases and less concentrated wealth. Everyone can see that. Even you must see that. Maybe you have better ideas than the democrats... I’m all ears... or eyes since it’s a message board.

Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on Alinsky

What was her conclusion?

I’ll give you a head start, a 2007 review in The New York Times summarized Rodham's thesis as follows:

"Ms. Rodham endorsed Mr. Alinsky's central critique of government antipoverty programs — that they tended to be too top-down and removed from the wishes of individuals. But the student leader split with Mr. Alinsky over a central point. He vowed to 'rub raw the sores of discontent' and compel action through agitation. This, she believed, ran counter to the notion of change within the system."

 

[Wyatt earp]

This is pure Alinsky crap but why do lefties continue to behave as if they lost the freaking election? All they have been doing is whining since inauguration day. Is it some sort of reaction to the disappointment of having a mentally impaired old man staggering around the White House?

Geez. Talk about out of left field. The only people who knows who Alinsky is are right wingers. It’s boogeyman time now on this thread. Keep an eye out for Soros.

Democrats won the Presidency by a narrow margin electorally, have a tie in the Senate and a narrow but comfy margin in the most democratic body, the house. For us to progress as a nation the Republicans need to put on their big boy britches and come to the table on inequity statistics I pointed out. We need wage increases and less concentrated wealth. Everyone can see that. Even you must see that. Maybe you have better ideas than the democrats... I’m all ears... or eyes since it’s a message board.

Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on Alinsky

What was her conclusion?

I’ll give you a head start, a 2007 review in The New York Times summarized Rodham's thesis as follows:

"Ms. Rodham endorsed Mr. Alinsky's central critique of government antipoverty programs — that they tended to be too top-down and removed from the wishes of individuals. But the student leader split with Mr. Alinsky over a central point. He vowed to 'rub raw the sores of discontent' and compel action through agitation. This, she believed, ran counter to the notion of change within the system."

Someone's opinion from 2007? She wrote it in the 1960s

 

[citygator]

Because someone like lazy ass Joe doesnt want to get off his ass, and create something like those guys did. Of course the employees of Amazon, Fakebook and Tesla could all buy some shares of their companies stocks, which over time would make them very rich, but like Joe, many are too scared to take the risk, and so wont end up wealthy, but miserable old hags who must bitch and moan, how unfair life is

I’m mid 1%er level. Statistically I likely have accumulated much more than you. Why am I concerned about wealth accumulation if I’m doing so well?

Because I want to keep it by ensuring that those who are working hard everyday to get by have enough to satisfy them keeping society strong, not full of discontent. We aren’t even trying.

One person can’t do it, nor can it be voluntary. It’s the prisoners dilemma. No one will sacrifice their own wealth accumulation for others but they will go in with everyone else if it’s going to make a difference.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

a narrow but comfy margin in the most democratic body, the house.

222-213 is comfy?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Because someone like lazy ass Joe doesnt want to get off his ass, and create something like those guys did. Of course the employees of Amazon, Fakebook and Tesla could all buy some shares of their companies stocks, which over time would make them very rich, but like Joe, many are too scared to take the risk, and so wont end up wealthy, but miserable old hags who must bitch and moan, how unfair life is

I’m mid 1%er level. Statistically I likely have accumulated much more than you. Why am I concerned about wealth accumulation if I’m doing so well?

Because I want to keep it by ensuring that those who are working hard everyday to get by have enough to satisfy them keeping society strong, not full of discontent. We aren’t even trying.

One person can’t do it, nor can it be voluntary. It’s the prisoners dilemma. No one will sacrifice their own wealth accumulation for others but they will go in with everyone else if it’s going to make a difference.

Oh brother I am arguing with another pretend billionaire liberal on a anonymous message board

Good grief

 

[citygator]

Someone's opinion from 2007? She wrote it in the 1960s

Guess what? They don’t review the thesis of undergrads for normal people. It didn’t get released widely until 2007 with a little coming out in 2005.. what’s your point? That you didn’t know it was critical of what you probably take exception to? You need to really research those talking points before you repeat them.

 

[bripat9643]

Minimum wages were never meant to be full time work, but for kids who wanted to learn about business, while going to school or retirees who wanted some extra income and be with younger kids. Then along came the Marxists, jacked up taxes and regulations thus forcing more people into poverty and causing those impoverished people to become full time minimum wage progressive slaves.

This is bullshit. Minimum wages were designed to keep the working class out of poverty. Businesses have avoided benefits by abusing part time workers and keeping wages low with a low minimum wage. Perpetual poverty cycle of the worker. This will lead to our end.

Typical marxist refrain.

 

[citygator]

a narrow but comfy margin in the most democratic body, the house.

222-213 is comfy?

Compared to 50/50. My point is it’s all so close it’s important we at least align on the goal to avoid a Marxist nightmare but Republicans are doing it all wrong.

 

[citygator]

Minimum wages were never meant to be full time work, but for kids who wanted to learn about business, while going to school or retirees who wanted some extra income and be with younger kids. Then along came the Marxists, jacked up taxes and regulations thus forcing more people into poverty and causing those impoverished people to become full time minimum wage progressive slaves.

This is bullshit. Minimum wages were designed to keep the working class out of poverty. Businesses have avoided benefits by abusing part time workers and keeping wages low with a low minimum wage. Perpetual poverty cycle of the worker. This will lead to our end.

Typical marxist refrain.

I’m not a Marxist. I’m a capitalist doing way better at it than you. I want to preserve it and Republicans are doing it all wrong.

 

[AMart]

The answer is not raising the minimum wage who the heck in a skilled job wants to make a few dollars more than a burger flipper?

Today’s burger flipper is yesterday’s seamstress. Workers should be able to live outside poverty. 8-9% of all service workers and farm workers are working in poverty. The poverty threshold isn’t a good indicator as “near poverty” is well above that.

A profile of the working poor, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

This report summarizes data on the working poor. The working poor are people who spent at least 27 weeks in the labor force(that is, working or looking for work) but whose incomes still fell below the official poverty level.

www.bls.gov

Australia has one of the highest minimum wages and does nothing

And yet the Australian Council of Social Service (Acoss) estimates 38% of those living below the poverty line are in work and 15% of all people who work part-time are in poverty.

Australian poverty in graphs: it's a desperate state of affairs | Greg Jericho

Inequality data may suggest an improvement but the reality is life is still brutally hard for those in the bottom 10%

www.theguardian.com

Australia cost of living is higher than the US and is not adequate either. Nice try though.

Australia’s industrial tribunal maintains poverty-level minimum wage

The ruling is part of a decades-long assault on workers’ pay and conditions enforced by successive governments and the trade unions.

www.wsws.org

Cost of living in a global comparison

Ranking of international living costs from 97 countries compared to the US

www.worlddata.info

Uhm it's higher because of higher labor cost

It’s $12 at basically US cost of living (103.9% of US). It’s not adequate either. Basically is $11.68 in the US. Meh. It’s not making a dent.

You are talking about unskilled labor jobs dumb fuck, entry level jobs.
Plumbers, welders, HVAC, electricians make a hell of a lot more.

 

[bripat9643]

Minimum wages were never meant to be full time work, but for kids who wanted to learn about business, while going to school or retirees who wanted some extra income and be with younger kids. Then along came the Marxists, jacked up taxes and regulations thus forcing more people into poverty and causing those impoverished people to become full time minimum wage progressive slaves.

This is bullshit. Minimum wages were designed to keep the working class out of poverty. Businesses have avoided benefits by abusing part time workers and keeping wages low with a low minimum wage. Perpetual poverty cycle of the worker. This will lead to our end.

Typical marxist refrain.

I’m not a Marxist. I’m a capitalist doing way better at it than you. I want to preserve it and Republicans are doing it all wrong.

If you're a capitalist, then why are you always posting Marxism?

 

[citygator]

So you want Marxism/socialism where everyone gets paid the same, admit it

I want a historically reasonable wage at the middle and bottom rungs of the workforce. If that’s not possible then offsetting benefits like paid healthcare to close the gap funded by those who can who’ve benefited from 50 years of equity concentration.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Minimum wages were never meant to be full time work, but for kids who wanted to learn about business, while going to school or retirees who wanted some extra income and be with younger kids. Then along came the Marxists, jacked up taxes and regulations thus forcing more people into poverty and causing those impoverished people to become full time minimum wage progressive slaves.

This is bullshit. Minimum wages were designed to keep the working class out of poverty. Businesses have avoided benefits by abusing part time workers and keeping wages low with a low minimum wage. Perpetual poverty cycle of the worker. This will lead to our end.

Typical marxist refrain.

I’m not a Marxist. I’m a capitalist doing way better at it than you. I want to preserve it and Republicans are doing it all wrong.

Your a Marxist with a capital M you want to raise the minimum wage sky high so skilled labor gets paid the same as burger flippers, you can't comprehend that 40% of American workers make $15 or less, you can't comprehend profit margins on fast food joints, you can't comprehend 70% plus of business is small in America, you can't comprehend we live in a global economy.

 

[citygator]

The answer is not raising the minimum wage who the heck in a skilled job wants to make a few dollars more than a burger flipper?

Today’s burger flipper is yesterday’s seamstress. Workers should be able to live outside poverty. 8-9% of all service workers and farm workers are working in poverty. The poverty threshold isn’t a good indicator as “near poverty” is well above that.

A profile of the working poor, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

This report summarizes data on the working poor. The working poor are people who spent at least 27 weeks in the labor force(that is, working or looking for work) but whose incomes still fell below the official poverty level.

www.bls.gov

Australia has one of the highest minimum wages and does nothing

And yet the Australian Council of Social Service (Acoss) estimates 38% of those living below the poverty line are in work and 15% of all people who work part-time are in poverty.

Australian poverty in graphs: it's a desperate state of affairs | Greg Jericho

Inequality data may suggest an improvement but the reality is life is still brutally hard for those in the bottom 10%

www.theguardian.com

Australia cost of living is higher than the US and is not adequate either. Nice try though.

Australia’s industrial tribunal maintains poverty-level minimum wage

The ruling is part of a decades-long assault on workers’ pay and conditions enforced by successive governments and the trade unions.

www.wsws.org

Cost of living in a global comparison

Ranking of international living costs from 97 countries compared to the US

www.worlddata.info

Uhm it's higher because of higher labor cost

It’s $12 at basically US cost of living (103.9% of US). It’s not adequate either. Basically is $11.68 in the US. Meh. It’s not making a dent.

You are talking about unskilled labor jobs dumb fuck, entry level jobs.
Plumbers, welders, HVAC, electricians make a hell of a lot more.

It’s all relative. You used to get by on unskilled labor and flourish with skilled labor. Now you get by with skilled labor and live in poverty on unskilled labor. That’s an oversimplification but I posted the min wage growth compared to productivity growth. All that productivity growth has come to capital holders and none to laborers.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The answer is not raising the minimum wage who the heck in a skilled job wants to make a few dollars more than a burger flipper?

Today’s burger flipper is yesterday’s seamstress. Workers should be able to live outside poverty. 8-9% of all service workers and farm workers are working in poverty. The poverty threshold isn’t a good indicator as “near poverty” is well above that.

A profile of the working poor, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

This report summarizes data on the working poor. The working poor are people who spent at least 27 weeks in the labor force(that is, working or looking for work) but whose incomes still fell below the official poverty level.

www.bls.gov

Australia has one of the highest minimum wages and does nothing

And yet the Australian Council of Social Service (Acoss) estimates 38% of those living below the poverty line are in work and 15% of all people who work part-time are in poverty.

Australian poverty in graphs: it's a desperate state of affairs | Greg Jericho

Inequality data may suggest an improvement but the reality is life is still brutally hard for those in the bottom 10%

www.theguardian.com

Australia cost of living is higher than the US and is not adequate either. Nice try though.

Australia’s industrial tribunal maintains poverty-level minimum wage

The ruling is part of a decades-long assault on workers’ pay and conditions enforced by successive governments and the trade unions.

www.wsws.org

Cost of living in a global comparison

Ranking of international living costs from 97 countries compared to the US

www.worlddata.info

Uhm it's higher because of higher labor cost

It’s $12 at basically US cost of living (103.9% of US). It’s not adequate either. Basically is $11.68 in the US. Meh. It’s not making a dent.

You are talking about unskilled labor jobs dumb fuck, entry level jobs.
Plumbers, welders, HVAC, electricians make a hell of a lot more.

It’s all relative. You used to get by on unskilled labor and flourish with skilled labor. Now you get by with skilled labor and live in poverty on unskilled labor. That’s an oversimplification but I posted the min wage growth compared to productivity growth. All that productivity growth has come to capital holders and none to laborers.

They bought the computers, the robots, the automation to make labor more productive, people don't work harder now than they did a 100 years ago

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course is does, I am moving to La Crosse Wisconsin this Saturday for a easy $25 an hour job with employee housing after 3 years being in Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho .

I was going to move to Spokane Washington but the job boards and cost of living told me otherwise

Why would I want to make a few bucks over minimum wage when I can make 3 times as much?

Congrats. You make the minimum wage for the year 1968. That means at your higher output level you crank out (you’re not doing min wage productivity) your strong skills is are rewarded like a low output clerk in 1968.

See the problem. You wanna know who benefits from your increased productivity? Whoever owns your company or whoever you are contracting with. Welcome to slavery 2021 style.

You make the minimum wage for the year 1968.

Your math is weak. Seriously weak.

 

[citygator]

Your a Marxist with a capital M you want to raise the minimum wage sky high so skilled labor gets paid the same as burger flippers, you can't comprehend that 40% of American workers make $15 or less, you can't comprehend profit margins on fast food joints, you can't comprehend 70% plus of business is small in America, you can't comprehend we live in a global economy.

Ive shown you the data. The productivity gains all went to owners. We w gone from 3 people doing a job to 1 person. The one person is being paid the same but the productivity gains went into company valuation. A rising tide lifts all boats. By raising the minimums we move the salaries up. Profit margins are historical highs. 2X’s what they were.