Republicans lead us to Marxism, Dems saving us from it

[citygator]

Of course is does, I am moving to La Crosse Wisconsin this Saturday for a easy $25 an hour job with employee housing after 3 years being in Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho .

I was going to move to Spokane Washington but the job boards and cost of living told me otherwise

Why would I want to make a few bucks over minimum wage when I can make 3 times as much?

Congrats. You make the minimum wage for the year 1968. That means at your higher output level you crank out (you’re not doing min wage productivity) your strong skills is are rewarded like a low output clerk in 1968.

See the problem. You wanna know who benefits from your increased productivity? Whoever owns your company or whoever you are contracting with. Welcome to slavery 2021 style.

You make the minimum wage for the year 1968.

Your math is weak. Seriously weak.

Truth hurts. Didn’t mean an insult. It a fact. I supported it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

a narrow but comfy margin in the most democratic body, the house.

222-213 is comfy?

Compared to 50/50. My point is it’s all so close it’s important we at least align on the goal to avoid a Marxist nightmare but Republicans are doing it all wrong.

If you’re curious: There has never been a Congress since the Civil War in which the Democrats started with as narrow a lead over the Republicans as they now hold, even when the House was smaller. Republicans have twice held smaller leads. In the 65th Congress, for example, the party had a one-vote advantage. But that doesn’t really count, given that there were also three Progressives and a Socialist shifting the balance of power.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/07/heres-how-narrow-democratic-house-majority-is/

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your a Marxist with a capital M you want to raise the minimum wage sky high so skilled labor gets paid the same as burger flippers, you can't comprehend that 40% of American workers make $15 or less, you can't comprehend profit margins on fast food joints, you can't comprehend 70% plus of business is small in America, you can't comprehend we live in a global economy.

Ive shown you the data. The productivity gains all went to owners. We w gone from 3 people doing a job to 1 person. The one person is being paid the same but the productivity gains went into company valuation. A rising tide lifts all boats. By raising the minimums we move the salaries up. Profit margins are historical highs. 2X’s what they were.
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Net income margin what? What is that chart supposed to be proving?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course is does, I am moving to La Crosse Wisconsin this Saturday for a easy $25 an hour job with employee housing after 3 years being in Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho .

I was going to move to Spokane Washington but the job boards and cost of living told me otherwise

Why would I want to make a few bucks over minimum wage when I can make 3 times as much?

Congrats. You make the minimum wage for the year 1968. That means at your higher output level you crank out (you’re not doing min wage productivity) your strong skills is are rewarded like a low output clerk in 1968.

See the problem. You wanna know who benefits from your increased productivity? Whoever owns your company or whoever you are contracting with. Welcome to slavery 2021 style.

You make the minimum wage for the year 1968.

Your math is weak. Seriously weak.

Truth hurts. Didn’t mean an insult. It a fact. I supported it.

Your error doesn't insult or hurt me. It's just wrong.

The minimum wage in 1968 was $1.60.
Adjusted for inflation, that's about $12 today.

 

[themirrorthief]

Republicans are pushing the US towards Marxism while the Democrats are the ones trying to save you from it. Don’t believe me? Look at the evidence.

FIRST, simply Marxism says that ultimately capitalism results in a small group of hyper-winners and an overwhelming number of losers resulting in the losers taking physical control (revolt/revolution) based on a numbers advantage. Then it goes on to suggest some non-class world of utopia.

SECOND, we are steaming towards an inevitable revolution/revolt based on the consolidating number of hyper-winners and overwhelming number of losers, not because of popular culture differences to debate.

1. Wages for workers are stagnant in real terms with all the moderate increase coming from top earners (first link)
2. Profit margins are at historical highs for capital owners (second/third links)
3. Profit margins have been driven by “productivity” increases on the backs of labor without any reward to the worker for being more productive - since the 70’s ripping off the worker has been in vogue as unions dissolved. (Fourth link)

THIRD, this is ALL DRIVEN BY REPUBLICAN POLICY. Republican policies drive lower minimum wages, lower Corporate taxes, fewer corporate regulations to protect workers, shirks providing basic benefits to Americans, and adamantly protects the hoarding of profits through fighting any redistribution tactics of graduated tax rates, inheritance taxes, capital gains.

CONCLUSION, the US capitalism experiment will fail if the Republicans continue to push winners take all losers lose all policies. Giving up some gains to protect the majority of your capital is the only strategy that keeps us in balance. Otherwise the workers will come for all your capital and you are outnumbered. Consider a long term strategy of taking care of the balance or perish in the instability of the only part of Marxism that is inevitable: The large underclass that gets taken advantage of will remediate that imbalance by force.


LINKS:
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For most Americans, real wages have barely budged for decades

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https://www.yardeni.com/pub/sp500margin.pdf

Why We Are Not Worried About Elevated Profit Margins

The U.S. economy faces a severe downturn, which will undoubtedly depress near-term corporate profitability. However, we on the Focused Equity team believe that longer-term concerns about corporate profit margins are overblown. We wanted to share why we remain sanguine that U.S. public companies...

www.gmo.com

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Did Wages Detach from Productivity in 1973? An Investigation

This is the third and final blog post in my series on income inequality. This post discusses the detachment of compensation from productivity that occured around 1973. I look at the data and use R …

ntguardian.wordpress.com

now we know why people on welfare have big screen tvs...expensive sneakers and a shitload of beer in the fridge...they are oppressed

 

[themirrorthief]

Republicans are pushing the US towards Marxism while the Democrats are the ones trying to save you from it. Don’t believe me? Look at the evidence.

FIRST, simply Marxism says that ultimately capitalism results in a small group of hyper-winners and an overwhelming number of losers resulting in the losers taking physical control (revolt/revolution) based on a numbers advantage. Then it goes on to suggest some non-class world of utopia.

SECOND, we are steaming towards an inevitable revolution/revolt based on the consolidating number of hyper-winners and overwhelming number of losers, not because of popular culture differences to debate.

1. Wages for workers are stagnant in real terms with all the moderate increase coming from top earners (first link)
2. Profit margins are at historical highs for capital owners (second/third links)
3. Profit margins have been driven by “productivity” increases on the backs of labor without any reward to the worker for being more productive - since the 70’s ripping off the worker has been in vogue as unions dissolved. (Fourth link)

THIRD, this is ALL DRIVEN BY REPUBLICAN POLICY. Republican policies drive lower minimum wages, lower Corporate taxes, fewer corporate regulations to protect workers, shirks providing basic benefits to Americans, and adamantly protects the hoarding of profits through fighting any redistribution tactics of graduated tax rates, inheritance taxes, capital gains.

CONCLUSION, the US capitalism experiment will fail if the Republicans continue to push winners take all losers lose all policies. Giving up some gains to protect the majority of your capital is the only strategy that keeps us in balance. Otherwise the workers will come for all your capital and you are outnumbered. Consider a long term strategy of taking care of the balance or perish in the instability of the only part of Marxism that is inevitable: The large underclass that gets taken advantage of will remediate that imbalance by force.


LINKS:
View attachment 495793
For most Americans, real wages have barely budged for decades

View attachment 495794
https://www.yardeni.com/pub/sp500margin.pdf

Why We Are Not Worried About Elevated Profit Margins

The U.S. economy faces a severe downturn, which will undoubtedly depress near-term corporate profitability. However, we on the Focused Equity team believe that longer-term concerns about corporate profit margins are overblown. We wanted to share why we remain sanguine that U.S. public companies...

www.gmo.com

View attachment 495795

Did Wages Detach from Productivity in 1973? An Investigation

This is the third and final blog post in my series on income inequality. This post discusses the detachment of compensation from productivity that occured around 1973. I look at the data and use R …

ntguardian.wordpress.com

The treason party is trying to achieve a dictatorship. That is what smart people, including former republicans, are trying to prevent

Heil Biden...der new fuhuer

 

[bripat9643]

Your a Marxist with a capital M you want to raise the minimum wage sky high so skilled labor gets paid the same as burger flippers, you can't comprehend that 40% of American workers make $15 or less, you can't comprehend profit margins on fast food joints, you can't comprehend 70% plus of business is small in America, you can't comprehend we live in a global economy.

Ive shown you the data. The productivity gains all went to owners. We w gone from 3 people doing a job to 1 person. The one person is being paid the same but the productivity gains went into company valuation. A rising tide lifts all boats. By raising the minimums we move the salaries up. Profit margins are historical highs. 2X’s what they were.
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That's because Dims have flooded the American labor market with cheap foriegn labor.

 

[citygator]

The answer is not raising the minimum wage who the heck in a skilled job wants to make a few dollars more than a burger flipper?

Today’s burger flipper is yesterday’s seamstress. Workers should be able to live outside poverty. 8-9% of all service workers and farm workers are working in poverty. The poverty threshold isn’t a good indicator as “near poverty” is well above that.

A profile of the working poor, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

This report summarizes data on the working poor. The working poor are people who spent at least 27 weeks in the labor force(that is, working or looking for work) but whose incomes still fell below the official poverty level.

www.bls.gov

Australia has one of the highest minimum wages and does nothing

And yet the Australian Council of Social Service (Acoss) estimates 38% of those living below the poverty line are in work and 15% of all people who work part-time are in poverty.

Australian poverty in graphs: it's a desperate state of affairs | Greg Jericho

Inequality data may suggest an improvement but the reality is life is still brutally hard for those in the bottom 10%

www.theguardian.com

Australia cost of living is higher than the US and is not adequate either. Nice try though.

Australia’s industrial tribunal maintains poverty-level minimum wage

The ruling is part of a decades-long assault on workers’ pay and conditions enforced by successive governments and the trade unions.

www.wsws.org

Cost of living in a global comparison

Ranking of international living costs from 97 countries compared to the US

www.worlddata.info

Uhm it's higher because of higher labor cost

It’s $12 at basically US cost of living (103.9% of US). It’s not adequate either. Basically is $11.68 in the US. Meh. It’s not making a dent.

You are talking about unskilled labor jobs dumb fuck, entry level jobs.
Plumbers, welders, HVAC, electricians make a hell of a lot more.

It’s all relative. You used to get by on unskilled labor and flourish with skilled labor. Now you get by with skilled labor and live in poverty on unskilled labor. That’s an oversimplification but I posted the min wage growth compared to productivity growth. All that productivity growth has come to capital holders and none to laborers.

They bought the computers, the robots, the automation to make labor more productive, people don't work harder now than they did a 100 years ago

Advances developed by labor and built by labor. Just not owned by labor. You can’t argue the result - more wealth concentration in the top 1% by a factor many times over with almost no wealth at all in the bottom 80%.

The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure

A report shows that a $50 trillion redistribution of income to benefit the richest has made America less healthy, resilient, and secure

time.com

Six facts about wealth in the United States | Brookings

Senator Elizabeth Warren wants a wealth tax on the richest Americans. Here are six things to know about wealth in the United States.

www.brookings.edu

 

[Wyatt earp]

Of course is does, I am moving to La Crosse Wisconsin this Saturday for a easy $25 an hour job with employee housing after 3 years being in Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho .

I was going to move to Spokane Washington but the job boards and cost of living told me otherwise

Why would I want to make a few bucks over minimum wage when I can make 3 times as much?

Congrats. You make the minimum wage for the year 1968. That means at your higher output level you crank out (you’re not doing min wage productivity) your strong skills is are rewarded like a low output clerk in 1968.

See the problem. You wanna know who benefits from your increased productivity? Whoever owns your company or whoever you are contracting with. Welcome to slavery 2021 style.

You make the minimum wage for the year 1968.

Your math is weak. Seriously weak.

Truth hurts. Didn’t mean an insult. It a fact. I supported it.

Your error doesn't insult or hurt me. It's just wrong.

The minimum wage in 1968 was $1.60.
Adjusted for inflation, that's about $12 today.

And that's what the low skill jobs are paying around in red states...$11 to $13 bucks an hour


The market is taking care of it no need to raise the minimum wage

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Who the hell is paying minimum wage besides tip based jobs?

Minimum wages are so low that they are irrelevant. Your post proves how out of touch the guardrails are and how much the worker is taken advantage of.

Good God you must lick an awful lot of boots trying to be a good comrade!

 

[citygator]

a narrow but comfy margin in the most democratic body, the house.

222-213 is comfy?

Compared to 50/50. My point is it’s all so close it’s important we at least align on the goal to avoid a Marxist nightmare but Republicans are doing it all wrong.

If you’re curious: There has never been a Congress since the Civil War in which the Democrats started with as narrow a lead over the Republicans as they now hold, even when the House was smaller. Republicans have twice held smaller leads. In the 65th Congress, for example, the party had a one-vote advantage. But that doesn’t really count, given that there were also three Progressives and a Socialist shifting the balance of power.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/07/heres-how-narrow-democratic-house-majority-is/

Meaningless statistic. So what? It just proves my point that it’s a narrow split right now needing agreement. And agreement that this inequity isn’t healthy is step one. Step two is realizing the Republican agenda is making it worse. I’m open to ideas other than the Democratic ideas but providing wealth growth to the bottom is tricky business. It’s a zero sum game so..

 

[bripat9643]

The answer is not raising the minimum wage who the heck in a skilled job wants to make a few dollars more than a burger flipper?

Today’s burger flipper is yesterday’s seamstress. Workers should be able to live outside poverty. 8-9% of all service workers and farm workers are working in poverty. The poverty threshold isn’t a good indicator as “near poverty” is well above that.

A profile of the working poor, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

This report summarizes data on the working poor. The working poor are people who spent at least 27 weeks in the labor force(that is, working or looking for work) but whose incomes still fell below the official poverty level.

www.bls.gov

Australia has one of the highest minimum wages and does nothing

And yet the Australian Council of Social Service (Acoss) estimates 38% of those living below the poverty line are in work and 15% of all people who work part-time are in poverty.

Australian poverty in graphs: it's a desperate state of affairs | Greg Jericho

Inequality data may suggest an improvement but the reality is life is still brutally hard for those in the bottom 10%

www.theguardian.com

Australia cost of living is higher than the US and is not adequate either. Nice try though.

Australia’s industrial tribunal maintains poverty-level minimum wage

The ruling is part of a decades-long assault on workers’ pay and conditions enforced by successive governments and the trade unions.

www.wsws.org

Cost of living in a global comparison

Ranking of international living costs from 97 countries compared to the US

www.worlddata.info

Uhm it's higher because of higher labor cost

It’s $12 at basically US cost of living (103.9% of US). It’s not adequate either. Basically is $11.68 in the US. Meh. It’s not making a dent.

You are talking about unskilled labor jobs dumb fuck, entry level jobs.
Plumbers, welders, HVAC, electricians make a hell of a lot more.

It’s all relative. You used to get by on unskilled labor and flourish with skilled labor. Now you get by with skilled labor and live in poverty on unskilled labor. That’s an oversimplification but I posted the min wage growth compared to productivity growth. All that productivity growth has come to capital holders and none to laborers.

They bought the computers, the robots, the automation to make labor more productive, people don't work harder now than they did a 100 years ago

Advances developed by labor and built by labor. Just not owned by labor. You can’t argue the result - more wealth concentration in the top 1% by a factor many times over with almost no wealth at all in the bottom 80%.

The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure

A report shows that a $50 trillion redistribution of income to benefit the richest has made America less healthy, resilient, and secure

time.com

Six facts about wealth in the United States | Brookings

Senator Elizabeth Warren wants a wealth tax on the richest Americans. Here are six things to know about wealth in the United States.

www.brookings.edu

They weren't developed by labor, idiot. Labor developed the cell phone? Computer? Wide screen TV? Robots?

 

[bripat9643]

a narrow but comfy margin in the most democratic body, the house.

222-213 is comfy?

Compared to 50/50. My point is it’s all so close it’s important we at least align on the goal to avoid a Marxist nightmare but Republicans are doing it all wrong.

If you’re curious: There has never been a Congress since the Civil War in which the Democrats started with as narrow a lead over the Republicans as they now hold, even when the House was smaller. Republicans have twice held smaller leads. In the 65th Congress, for example, the party had a one-vote advantage. But that doesn’t really count, given that there were also three Progressives and a Socialist shifting the balance of power.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/07/heres-how-narrow-democratic-house-majority-is/

Meaningless statistic. So what? It just proves my point that it’s a narrow split right now needing agreement. And agreement that this inequity isn’t healthy is step one. Step two is realizing the Republican agenda is making it worse. I’m open to ideas other than the Democratic ideas but providing wealth growth to the bottom is tricky business. It’s a zero sum game so..

If you want to end the "inequality," then shut down illegal immigration.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Meaningless statistic. So what? It just proves my point that it’s a narrow split right now needing agreement.

You said it was comfy.

 

[22lcidw]

So you want Marxism/socialism where everyone gets paid the same, admit it

I want a historically reasonable wage at the middle and bottom rungs of the workforce. If that’s not possible then offsetting benefits like paid healthcare to close the gap funded by those who can who’ve benefited from 50 years of equity concentration.

Give all the lower working classes massive tax credits then. You do not do that. The next Arleih Burke destroyer that is a 40 year design is going to cost 2.4 billion dollars. It should cost several hundred million dollars. The Chinese can build several Destroyers easily for the same price and they put out a new ship every several weeks why for us it takes near a couple of years once started on average.

 

[Wyatt earp]

a narrow but comfy margin in the most democratic body, the house.

222-213 is comfy?

Compared to 50/50. My point is it’s all so close it’s important we at least align on the goal to avoid a Marxist nightmare but Republicans are doing it all wrong.

If you’re curious: There has never been a Congress since the Civil War in which the Democrats started with as narrow a lead over the Republicans as they now hold, even when the House was smaller. Republicans have twice held smaller leads. In the 65th Congress, for example, the party had a one-vote advantage. But that doesn’t really count, given that there were also three Progressives and a Socialist shifting the balance of power.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/07/heres-how-narrow-democratic-house-majority-is/

Meaningless statistic. So what? It just proves my point that it’s a narrow split right now needing agreement. And agreement that this inequity isn’t healthy is step one. Step two is realizing the Republican agenda is making it worse. I’m open to ideas other than the Democratic ideas but providing wealth growth to the bottom is tricky business. It’s a zero sum game so..

You can start with say a gradual minimum wage like they do in Europe/Canada 16 year olds make $7.25
18 year olds minimum wage makes $10an hour, 21 year olds make $12 an hour (but the left hates it)

You could also cap CEOs income at 200 times the pay as the Lowest worker, he gets a raise everyone at his company gets a raise (but the right hates it)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You could also cap CEOs income at 200 times the pay as the Lowest worker

You could? How?

 

[Polishprince]

The answer is not raising the minimum wage who the heck in a skilled job wants to make a few dollars more than a burger flipper?

Today’s burger flipper is yesterday’s seamstress. Workers should be able to live outside poverty. 8-9% of all service workers and farm workers are working in poverty. The poverty threshold isn’t a good indicator as “near poverty” is well above that.

A profile of the working poor, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

This report summarizes data on the working poor. The working poor are people who spent at least 27 weeks in the labor force(that is, working or looking for work) but whose incomes still fell below the official poverty level.

www.bls.gov

"Poverty threshold" is just a government manipulation of numbers.

There will always be someone at the bottom, and they will be called "poverty stricken" regardless of how wealthy they are.

 

[bripat9643]

a narrow but comfy margin in the most democratic body, the house.

222-213 is comfy?

Compared to 50/50. My point is it’s all so close it’s important we at least align on the goal to avoid a Marxist nightmare but Republicans are doing it all wrong.

If you’re curious: There has never been a Congress since the Civil War in which the Democrats started with as narrow a lead over the Republicans as they now hold, even when the House was smaller. Republicans have twice held smaller leads. In the 65th Congress, for example, the party had a one-vote advantage. But that doesn’t really count, given that there were also three Progressives and a Socialist shifting the balance of power.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/07/heres-how-narrow-democratic-house-majority-is/

Meaningless statistic. So what? It just proves my point that it’s a narrow split right now needing agreement. And agreement that this inequity isn’t healthy is step one. Step two is realizing the Republican agenda is making it worse. I’m open to ideas other than the Democratic ideas but providing wealth growth to the bottom is tricky business. It’s a zero sum game so..

You can start with say a gradual minimum wage like they do in Europe/Canada 16 year olds make $7.25
18 year olds minimum wage makes $10an hour, 21 year olds make $12 an hour (but the left hates it)

You could also cap CEOs income at 200 times the pay as the Lowest worker, he gets a raise everyone at his company gets a raise (but the right hates it)

Or the government can just stay the hell out of the labor market.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Republicans are pushing the US towards Marxism while the Democrats are the ones trying to save you from it. Don’t believe me? Look at the evidence.

FIRST, simply Marxism says that ultimately capitalism results in a small group of hyper-winners and an overwhelming number of losers resulting in the losers taking physical control (revolt/revolution) based on a numbers advantage. Then it goes on to suggest some non-class world of utopia.

SECOND, we are steaming towards an inevitable revolution/revolt based on the consolidating number of hyper-winners and overwhelming number of losers, not because of popular culture differences to debate.

1. Wages for workers are stagnant in real terms with all the moderate increase coming from top earners (first link)
2. Profit margins are at historical highs for capital owners (second/third links)
3. Profit margins have been driven by “productivity” increases on the backs of labor without any reward to the worker for being more productive - since the 70’s ripping off the worker has been in vogue as unions dissolved. (Fourth link)

THIRD, this is ALL DRIVEN BY REPUBLICAN POLICY. Republican policies drive lower minimum wages, lower Corporate taxes, fewer corporate regulations to protect workers, shirks providing basic benefits to Americans, and adamantly protects the hoarding of profits through fighting any redistribution tactics of graduated tax rates, inheritance taxes, capital gains.

CONCLUSION, the US capitalism experiment will fail if the Republicans continue to push winners take all losers lose all policies. Giving up some gains to protect the majority of your capital is the only strategy that keeps us in balance. Otherwise the workers will come for all your capital and you are outnumbered. Consider a long term strategy of taking care of the balance or perish in the instability of the only part of Marxism that is inevitable: The large underclass that gets taken advantage of will remediate that imbalance by force.


LINKS:
View attachment 495793
For most Americans, real wages have barely budged for decades

View attachment 495794
https://www.yardeni.com/pub/sp500margin.pdf

Why We Are Not Worried About Elevated Profit Margins

The U.S. economy faces a severe downturn, which will undoubtedly depress near-term corporate profitability. However, we on the Focused Equity team believe that longer-term concerns about corporate profit margins are overblown. We wanted to share why we remain sanguine that U.S. public companies...

www.gmo.com

View attachment 495795

Did Wages Detach from Productivity in 1973? An Investigation

This is the third and final blog post in my series on income inequality. This post discusses the detachment of compensation from productivity that occured around 1973. I look at the data and use R …

ntguardian.wordpress.com