Putin-Russia are winning the war.

[Big Bend Texas]

That is all just a lie.
No where has the Ukraine defeated any Russian advance.
There is only one suburb of Kyiv that the Ukraine has retaken, and that is because the Russian troop left, to be deployed elsewhere.

Ukraine forces push back Russian troops outside Kyiv

Ukrainian troops are proving to be a tough underdog, clawing back territory from Russia around Kyiv and retaking a town east of the capital. Even as Russia appears to be losing some of its grip, their...

news.yahoo.com

In villages near Kyiv, how Ukraine has kept Russia's army at bay

The burnt wreckage of two Russian tanks with blown off turrets and several armoured personnel carriers attest the ferocity of last week's clashes in Lukyanivka village just outside Kyiv. The charred corpse of a Russian soldier lies in a field nearby.

www.reuters.com

Ukrainian troops push Russian forces out of Kyiv suburb Makariv

Russia-Ukraine war: According to Ukraine's ministry of defence, this means that now Russia cannot encircle Kyiv from the northwest. | World News

www.hindustantimes.com

Ukrainians disrupt and derail Russian offensive as war moves to new phase | CNN

Just over a month after the first ballistic missiles slammed into Kyiv's international airport, the Russian campaign has been disrupted and derailed by stubborn Ukrainian resistance -- and in the last few days by agile Ukrainian counterattacks on several fronts.

www.cnn.com

Let me guess, everyone but the Kremlin is lying? Right?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

You will not find that at all.

They did not run the camps GERMANS did

Franz Stangl - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Gotta give Putin's propaganda corps credit, they never give up.

That's not to say there were not some Ukrainians, Poles, Jews, et all that were coopted and forced to work for the Germans under threat of death but then that's not the claim being made here by the propagandists.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Outright LIES.

NO ONE is trying to put nukes in Ukraine.

They violated no treaties , any accusatioons of murder are internal affairs ONLY and no evididence supports your claims.

YOU are the one who is dead wrong

Of course it's a lie, it's all they have.

It goes right along with the lie that NATO somehow poses a threat to invade Russia without provocation which of course would violate the NATO Charter.

NATO has never attacked anyone absent an article 5 event.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Putin-Russia are winning the war.

And American conservatives couldn’t be happier.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I have not once supported the war stated early on that it is sad it happened.

I am posting objectively on what I see is happening the replies I get are straight out of Juvenile school calling me a Putin bot and other stupid crap.

Both Nations are corrupt and Authoritarian.

Ukraine was extremely corrupt as long as Russian Puppets held power.

Zelensky and others have fought for more than a decade to send those puppets back to Russia where they belong and make Ukraine a country run by, for, and for the benefit of Ukrainians.

What a concept!

 

[Big Bend Texas]

And American conservatives couldn’t be happier.

Those aren't conservatives, they're Trump Sycophants and Anti War libertarians.

 

[Moonglow]

Look up Demjanjuk and Sobibor.
In fact, you will find all of Hitler's death camps were run by Ukrainians.
If you want a better historical perspective of why no one in Europe like Ukrainians, read "Taras Bulba".

Who ran the Soviet death camps, oh yeah, Russians.

 

[Rigby5]

No they have NOT CONSTANTLY tried to put nukeds in every country. NATO NEVER tried to put nukes in Poland or Latvia

You made that crap up as you always do'
Yes it is an internal affair and there is no such treaty

That is silly.
Not only did NATO want to put nukes in Poland and Latvia, they DID put them in Poland for awhile, until Poland finally asked them to remove them.

NATO Threatens Russia with Nukes soon to be placed in Poland | EUTimes.NET ⚡ Hidden Story ⚡

As the US ambassador to Germany – and acting spy chief – tried persuading Berlin to keep hosting US nuclear weapons, his colleague in Warsaw suggested Poland

www.eutimes.net

{...

NATO Threatens Russia with Nukes soon to be placed in Poland​

Posted by EU Times on May 16th, 2020

As the US ambassador to Germany – and acting spy chief – tried persuading Berlin to keep hosting US nuclear weapons, his colleague in Warsaw suggested Poland would be willing to take them instead, an act sure to provoke Moscow.

“If Germany wants to diminish nuclear capability and weaken NATO, perhaps Poland – which pays its fair share, understands the risks, and is on NATO’s eastern flank – could house the capabilities here,” Ambassador Georgette Mosbacher tweeted on Friday.

She was commenting on the statement by Rick Grenell, the US ambassador to Germany who is also the acting director of National Intelligence, issued on Thursday, urging the authorities in Berlin not to weaken NATO by seeking the removal of US nuclear weapons from their soil.

“The purpose of NATO’s nuclear share is to keep non-nuclear member states involved in the planning of NATO’s deterrence policy. Germany’s participation in nuclear share ensures that its voice matters,” Grenell wrote. “Will Germany bear this responsibility, or will it sit back and simply enjoy the economic benefits of security provided by its other allies?”

While Mosbacher’s quip may have been nothing more than an attempt to bolster Grenell’s argument, her replies were flooded by Poles eager for the nuclear redeployment to happen – albeit none of them representing official Warsaw, just yet.

Only a few voices cautioned against the idea, such as former US Marine and weapons inspector Scott Ritter telling Mosbacher she had “no sense of history” and calling her idea “one of the dumbest” in the world.

Mosbacher also made headlines in Moscow, where it was noted that moving the bombs to Poland would destroy the final vestiges of the Russia-NATO Founding Act, the 1997 treaty which declares that “NATO and Russia do not consider each other as adversaries.”
...
f the US moves nuclear warheads to Poland, this could result in a rerun of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, when the Soviet Union reacted to US nuclear deployments in Turkey by sending its own missiles to Cuba. After a standoff that almost escalated into nuclear war, both Washington and Moscow stood down and pledged to withdraw their missiles.
...}

 

[Rigby5]

You will not find that at all.

They did not run the camps GERMANS did

Franz Stangl - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wrong.

'Ukrainians guards took part in extermination' | The Jerusalem Post

At Demjanjuk trial, Holocaust survivor says Ukrainian guards outnumbered Nazis 10-to-1 at Sobibor camp.

www.jpost.com

{...

'Ukrainians guards took part in extermination'​

At Demjanjuk trial, Holocaust survivor says Ukrainian guards outnumbered Nazis 10-to-1 at Sobibor camp.​

...
Ukrainian guards outnumbered Nazi SS men 10-to-one at the Sobibor death camp, but they fell strictly under the Germans' authority, a Jewish survivor testified Wednesday at the trial of John Demjanjuk.

Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk, an 89-year-old retired Ohio autoworker, is accused of serving as a low-level guard at the camp in occupied Poland and is charged with accessory to murder in 27,900 deaths. It is the first time a conviction has been sought against someone so low-ranking without proof of a specific offense. Demjanjuk rejects the charges, saying he never served in Sobibor or any other Nazi camp.

Witness Thomas Blatt, 82, has told the Munich state court he did not remember Demjanjuk from Sobibor, where he was a prisoner in 1943. In his first day of testimony Tuesday, however, Blatt said that if Demjanjuk was there, he would have been involved in the extermination of Jews.
...}

 

[Rigby5]

Who ran the Soviet death camps, oh yeah, Russians.

No, it was Ukrainians who ran Hitler's death camps, NOT Russians.

 

[Moonglow]

No, it was Ukrainians who ran Hitler's death camps, NOT Russians.

I never mentioned Nazi death camps, you did, I mentioned the Soviet death camps run by the Ruskies. Are we clear now?

 

[Soupnazi630]

That is silly.
Not only did NATO want to put nukes in Poland and Latvia, they DID put them in Poland for awhile, until Poland finally asked them to remove them.

NATO Threatens Russia with Nukes soon to be placed in Poland | EUTimes.NET ⚡ Hidden Story ⚡

As the US ambassador to Germany – and acting spy chief – tried persuading Berlin to keep hosting US nuclear weapons, his colleague in Warsaw suggested Poland

www.eutimes.net

{...

NATO Threatens Russia with Nukes soon to be placed in Poland​

Posted by EU Times on May 16th, 2020

As the US ambassador to Germany – and acting spy chief – tried persuading Berlin to keep hosting US nuclear weapons, his colleague in Warsaw suggested Poland would be willing to take them instead, an act sure to provoke Moscow.

“If Germany wants to diminish nuclear capability and weaken NATO, perhaps Poland – which pays its fair share, understands the risks, and is on NATO’s eastern flank – could house the capabilities here,” Ambassador Georgette Mosbacher tweeted on Friday.

She was commenting on the statement by Rick Grenell, the US ambassador to Germany who is also the acting director of National Intelligence, issued on Thursday, urging the authorities in Berlin not to weaken NATO by seeking the removal of US nuclear weapons from their soil.

“The purpose of NATO’s nuclear share is to keep non-nuclear member states involved in the planning of NATO’s deterrence policy. Germany’s participation in nuclear share ensures that its voice matters,” Grenell wrote. “Will Germany bear this responsibility, or will it sit back and simply enjoy the economic benefits of security provided by its other allies?”

While Mosbacher’s quip may have been nothing more than an attempt to bolster Grenell’s argument, her replies were flooded by Poles eager for the nuclear redeployment to happen – albeit none of them representing official Warsaw, just yet.

Only a few voices cautioned against the idea, such as former US Marine and weapons inspector Scott Ritter telling Mosbacher she had “no sense of history” and calling her idea “one of the dumbest” in the world.

Mosbacher also made headlines in Moscow, where it was noted that moving the bombs to Poland would destroy the final vestiges of the Russia-NATO Founding Act, the 1997 treaty which declares that “NATO and Russia do not consider each other as adversaries.”
...
f the US moves nuclear warheads to Poland, this could result in a rerun of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, when the Soviet Union reacted to US nuclear deployments in Turkey by sending its own missiles to Cuba. After a standoff that almost escalated into nuclear war, both Washington and Moscow stood down and pledged to withdraw their missiles.
...}

No they did not.

Every link you post says SOON to be placed which NEVER happened.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.

'Ukrainians guards took part in extermination' | The Jerusalem Post

At Demjanjuk trial, Holocaust survivor says Ukrainian guards outnumbered Nazis 10-to-1 at Sobibor camp.

www.jpost.com

{...

'Ukrainians guards took part in extermination'​

At Demjanjuk trial, Holocaust survivor says Ukrainian guards outnumbered Nazis 10-to-1 at Sobibor camp.​

...
Ukrainian guards outnumbered Nazi SS men 10-to-one at the Sobibor death camp, but they fell strictly under the Germans' authority, a Jewish survivor testified Wednesday at the trial of John Demjanjuk.

Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk, an 89-year-old retired Ohio autoworker, is accused of serving as a low-level guard at the camp in occupied Poland and is charged with accessory to murder in 27,900 deaths. It is the first time a conviction has been sought against someone so low-ranking without proof of a specific offense. Demjanjuk rejects the charges, saying he never served in Sobibor or any other Nazi camp.

Witness Thomas Blatt, 82, has told the Munich state court he did not remember Demjanjuk from Sobibor, where he was a prisoner in 1943. In his first day of testimony Tuesday, however, Blatt said that if Demjanjuk was there, he would have been involved in the extermination of Jews.
...}

You said they ran the camps you lying trashbag,

A guard does NOT run the camp they were run by Germans

 

[Big Bend Texas]

That is silly.
Not only did NATO want to put nukes in Poland and Latvia, they DID put them in Poland for awhile, until Poland finally asked them to remove them.

NATO Threatens Russia with Nukes soon to be placed in Poland | EUTimes.NET ⚡ Hidden Story ⚡

As the US ambassador to Germany – and acting spy chief – tried persuading Berlin to keep hosting US nuclear weapons, his colleague in Warsaw suggested Poland

www.eutimes.net

{...

NATO Threatens Russia with Nukes soon to be placed in Poland​

Posted by EU Times on May 16th, 2020

As the US ambassador to Germany – and acting spy chief – tried persuading Berlin to keep hosting US nuclear weapons, his colleague in Warsaw suggested Poland would be willing to take them instead, an act sure to provoke Moscow.

“If Germany wants to diminish nuclear capability and weaken NATO, perhaps Poland – which pays its fair share, understands the risks, and is on NATO’s eastern flank – could house the capabilities here,” Ambassador Georgette Mosbacher tweeted on Friday.

She was commenting on the statement by Rick Grenell, the US ambassador to Germany who is also the acting director of National Intelligence, issued on Thursday, urging the authorities in Berlin not to weaken NATO by seeking the removal of US nuclear weapons from their soil.

“The purpose of NATO’s nuclear share is to keep non-nuclear member states involved in the planning of NATO’s deterrence policy. Germany’s participation in nuclear share ensures that its voice matters,” Grenell wrote. “Will Germany bear this responsibility, or will it sit back and simply enjoy the economic benefits of security provided by its other allies?”

While Mosbacher’s quip may have been nothing more than an attempt to bolster Grenell’s argument, her replies were flooded by Poles eager for the nuclear redeployment to happen – albeit none of them representing official Warsaw, just yet.

Only a few voices cautioned against the idea, such as former US Marine and weapons inspector Scott Ritter telling Mosbacher she had “no sense of history” and calling her idea “one of the dumbest” in the world.

Mosbacher also made headlines in Moscow, where it was noted that moving the bombs to Poland would destroy the final vestiges of the Russia-NATO Founding Act, the 1997 treaty which declares that “NATO and Russia do not consider each other as adversaries.”
...
f the US moves nuclear warheads to Poland, this could result in a rerun of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, when the Soviet Union reacted to US nuclear deployments in Turkey by sending its own missiles to Cuba. After a standoff that almost escalated into nuclear war, both Washington and Moscow stood down and pledged to withdraw their missiles.
...}

WE never put nukes in Poland and there was never an attempt to put them or any offensive forces or weapons in Ukraine.

You're peddling bullshit.

Russia has nukes on the borders of all of those nations so what exactly would be wrong with placing some in those nations to counter that threat and maintain MADD?

Your enitire premise is based first on a lie and second on the premise that these nations and NATO are not just as entitled to provide a deterrent to Russian Nukes.

Unlike Russia, NATO has never launched a war of conquest, they only respond when a member nation is attacked.

So other than being deterred, what does Russian have to lose here exactly if those republics can defend themselves against a Russian invasion with or without help from NATO?

 

[krichton]

All hail this new form of victory!

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

The mission to remove Saddam had been accomplished. The Ship had also accomplished it's mission and was due to rotate out.

History is a wonderful thing, you should learn some.

 

[Stann]

I made a much more detailed post elsewhere, but here I'll just make the statement for the discussion to be broader. Putin is winning because:

• He's forcing the EU to break with the US on sanctions.
• Forcing the EU to stop using Euros/Dollars to pay for oil
• Showed the world the US is the real bad guy by:
  • Showing the world that the US will weaponize its Dollar to harm you.
  • Showing the world that the US will weaponize SWIFT to harm you.
• Showing the world that the US is a paper tiger and can't do anything to save you from Russia or China.

Putin isn't trying to look like a good guy, he's just showing the world that the US Empire is geriatric and led by losers who can't do anything but harm 3rd world countries who need to get oil and food and fertilizer from somewhere.

And the US can't provide those essentials to anyone, the US is as flaccid a cock as Joe Biden's. And Biden did that...Biden exposed the weakness for all to see.

Putin is smashing through Ukraine and smashing through the Eurodollar.

All across the world these ripple effects are happening fast.

• India buys Russian Oil
  • India is snapping up cheap Russian oil, and China could be next
• Saudi Arabia is selling Oil in Yuan
  • Saudi Arabia Considers Accepting Yuan Instead of Dollars for Chinese Oil Sales
• Saudi Arabia says Biden is destroying the US Empire
  • America is dismantling the pillars of its own empire - Saudi editor
• Egypt is abandoning Dollar for Yen due to Russian pressure
  • Egypt Set to Raise Samurai Bonds Worth $500 Million This Week

The list goes on....

Russia is winning on all fronts.

Obviously they underestimated the task, and are now trying to negotiate their way out of the Ukraine before all their troops are killed. And if Plan C works, there will be no Russian Navy anymore.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, it was Ukrainians who ran Hitler's death camps, NOT Russians.

Be fair.....the Russians taught the Nazis about concentration camps.



"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia

Common parade of German Wehrmachtand Soviet Red Army on September 23, 1939 in Brest, Eastern Poland at the end of the Poland Campaign. In the center is Major General Heinz Guderian; and on the right is Brigadier General Semyon Krivoshein. Declarations of war during World War II - Wikipedia

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Look up Demjanjuk and Sobibor.
In fact, you will find all of Hitler's death camps were run by Ukrainians.
If you want a better historical perspective of why no one in Europe like Ukrainians, read "Taras Bulba".

You know if your arguments were valid you'd not need to lie so much to make them.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Russia will likely have reduced the US to an impoverished indebted shithole by the time any shots are fired at the US.

You should stop getting your information from Kremlin sources, conspiracy nuts, and mediums.

None of that is going to happen.

The Rubel is now worth about a penny and still off by about 70% from it's pre invasion highs over the last six months.

They are practically giving their oil away at a 70% discount over the spot market.

Their stock market has collapsed and they are heading into a deep and profound recession with inflation now at over 15%.

If Zelensky can drag this war on another month to six weeks, Russia will be in a depression.