POLL: Let's try a COVID compromise, shall we?

[Mac1958]

There are times when I think a certain moderator must have taken over your account, and this is one of them.

Waiting.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Waiting.

If you think the only way to get attention is to be incredibly annoying and repetitive, then go for it dude.

 

[Mac1958]

If you think the only way to get attention is to be incredibly annoying and repetitive, then go for it dude.

Still waiting.

 

[Mac-7]

Any hospital is free to (a) put voluntarily non-vaccinated COVID patients on a lower priority for both ICUs and private rooms so that regular patients with other problems can be served as they should be,

A lot of persons who are black will be snared by Mac1958 bitterness

along with others that I doubt that mac thought of

how about everyone who is fully insured gets preference over no-pays and illegal aliens?

 

[HappyJoy]

I believe our little back and forth was about millions dying because of overloaded hospitals if we didn't 'flatten the curve' last year. I responded that your 'millions dying' because of overloaded hospitals was pure bullshit.. Hospitals were laying people off last year, fact. So your above copy/paste post that you throw everywhere, is totally irrelevant to the topic we were discussing. And even if we were talking about the current situation, mass hysteria click seeking media are also full of shit. If Trump were still in office, you'd be using this same bullshit to accuse him of murder for not handling the covid situation in a responsible manner, as would the media. So I guess by your standards, Biden currently has allowed an emergency to get out of control, and he has blood on his hands.

Oh my god. You are an idiot.

If we let the virus infect hundreds of millions of people you think hospitals would still be laying people off? How do you possibly jump to that conclusion?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Neat. You're talking millions dying, we're already over 600k, it would only go up further if 330 million were exposed. Then of course you're endangering others who won't find any room at the hospital or will hold off on their own health needs because they don't want to get COVID at the hospital.

Not a single serious person in the healthcare community agrees with you.

"....we're already over 600k....."

It is hard to believe that there are people as stupid as you are.


Really.


You suffer from fear of the RED DEATH HOAX

But....they have one of these disabilities:
....they went to government school
.....or they fear offending the Democrat Party
....or they are really, really stupid.
.....and voted for Biden.



I just found another post another post from one of the hand-wringers. So let's clear this up once and for all.

1. And as far as how disastrous the Wuhan is to folks without those underlying co-morbidities, quick review of the facts: If one gets the Wuhan, the chances of dying from it approach zero….no more than a rounding error in the data.
An elderly, overweight President had it, and ten days later was doing two hours-long rallies a day.



2. Here, from WebMD:
Coronavirus Recovery Rates

Scientists and researchers are constantly tracking infections and recoveries. But they have data only on confirmed cases, so they can’t count people who don’t get COVID-19 tests. Experts also don’t have information about the outcome of every infection. However, early estimates predict that the overall COVID-19 recovery rate is between 97% and 99.75%.
Coronavirus Recovery



3. Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox.

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.



4. “Study Shows Children have a 99.995% Covid Recovery Rate with TWO Deaths Per Million Kids
This was never about healthcare. It was, is, and always will be about control.”

Study Shows Children have a 99.995% Covid Recovery Rate with TWO Deaths Per Million Kids​

Let's put the conclusions up front. There is no reason for kids to wear masks. There's no reason to keep

truthbasedmedia.com



5. If you had no co-morbidities to begin with.....

Mortality Risk of COVID-19 - Statistics and Research​

We update the country-by-country data – shown in the interactive visualizations – daily. Further below you find a longer text on how to interpret the various metrics; the static visualizations in that section and the text were written in the first half of 2020 and have not been updated since.

ourworldindata.org
That’s worldwide….includes nations with third world healthcare: under 1%
And those with socialized medicine, much higher rate of death.


6. “Most people recover from Covid-19.
Most people with Covid-19 have mild illness and are able to recover at home without medical care,… Most people recover from Covid-19. Here's why it's hard to pinpoint exactly how many





7. The mechanism of the hoax was simply to claim that deaths that would have occurred (most who died already had DNRs), and to substitute the real cause of death (the usual causes… heart disease, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia) and pretend that the Wuhan was responsible.

It was designed to dissipate the value of Trump’s miraculous economy….and it worked.


You won, you hurt America badly, but you got rid of your bête noire.

Give it up already: no, 600,000 Americans did not die of the Wuhan Red Death.

It's just one more of the myriad lies Democrats tell.

 

[OldFlame]

Oh my god. You are an idiot.

If we let the virus infect hundreds of millions of people you think hospitals would still be laying people off? How do you possibly jump to that conclusion?

You're a ridiculous drama queen, and you have to twist reality in order to get your drama, you really need to find a new drug.

 

[HappyJoy]

You're a ridiculous drama queen, and you have to twist reality in order to get your drama, you really need to find a new drug.

You said I lied. Point it out and provide a valid source that demonstrates your point for a change of pace.

 

[OldFlame]

"....we're already over 600k....."

It is hard to believe that there are people as stupid as you are.


Really.


You suffer from fear of the RED DEATH HOAX

But....they have one of these disabilities:
....they went to government school
.....or they fear offending the Democrat Party
....or they are really, really stupid.
.....and voted for Biden.



I just found another post another post from one of the hand-wringers. So let's clear this up once and for all.

1. And as far as how disastrous the Wuhan is to folks without those underlying co-morbidities, quick review of the facts: If one gets the Wuhan, the chances of dying from it approach zero….no more than a rounding error in the data.
An elderly, overweight President had it, and ten days later was doing two hours-long rallies a day.



2. Here, from WebMD:
Coronavirus Recovery Rates

Scientists and researchers are constantly tracking infections and recoveries. But they have data only on confirmed cases, so they can’t count people who don’t get COVID-19 tests. Experts also don’t have information about the outcome of every infection. However, early estimates predict that the overall COVID-19 recovery rate is between 97% and 99.75%.
Coronavirus Recovery



3. Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox.

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.



4. “Study Shows Children have a 99.995% Covid Recovery Rate with TWO Deaths Per Million Kids
This was never about healthcare. It was, is, and always will be about control.”

Study Shows Children have a 99.995% Covid Recovery Rate with TWO Deaths Per Million Kids​

Let's put the conclusions up front. There is no reason for kids to wear masks. There's no reason to keep

truthbasedmedia.com



5. If you had no co-morbidities to begin with.....

Mortality Risk of COVID-19 - Statistics and Research​

We update the country-by-country data – shown in the interactive visualizations – daily. Further below you find a longer text on how to interpret the various metrics; the static visualizations in that section and the text were written in the first half of 2020 and have not been updated since.

ourworldindata.org
That’s worldwide….includes nations with third world healthcare: under 1%
And those with socialized medicine, much higher rate of death.


6. “Most people recover from Covid-19.
Most people with Covid-19 have mild illness and are able to recover at home without medical care,… Most people recover from Covid-19. Here's why it's hard to pinpoint exactly how many





7. The mechanism of the hoax was simply to claim that deaths that would have occurred (most who died already had DNRs), and to substitute the real cause of death (the usual causes… heart disease, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia) and pretend that the Wuhan was responsible.

It was designed to dissipate the value of Trump’s miraculous economy….and it worked.


You won, you hurt America badly, but you got rid of your bête noire.

Give it up already: no, 600,000 Americans did not die of the Wuhan Red Death.

It's just one more of the myriad lies Democrats tell.

Excellent post, unfortunately a waste of time with these loons on here. Nobody does it better than you do though, cited facts and stats, an arrow through the bulls eye, and I certainly appreciate them.

 

[HappyJoy]

Excellent post, unfortunately a waste of time with these loons on here. Nobody does it better than you do though, cited facts and stats, an arrow through the bulls eye, and I certainly appreciate them.

Her post is completely irrelevant to my point. When 37 million get COVID it results in over 600k deaths due to the disease that would have otherwise not happened. With over 300 million getting COVID would result in millions more dying. God only knows how many more variants that would create as well.

You said that was a lie. Prove it for a change.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're a ridiculous drama queen, and you have to twist reality in order to get your drama, you really need to find a new drug.

Huey Lewis And The News - I Want A New Drug​

 

[PoliticalChic]

Her post is completely irrelevant to my point. When 37 million get COVID it results in over 600k deaths due to the disease that would have otherwise not happened. With over 300 million getting COVID would result in millions more dying. God only knows how many more variants that would create as well.

You said that was a lie. Prove it for a change.

Last night, watching the Yankee-Sox game, and they interviewed Yankee ace Gerrit Cole. He'd been out with the Wuhan.

He said....'it was tough....like bad flu.'

Gerrit Cole, Jordan Montgomery Test Positive For COVID-19 ...​

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com › 2021/08 › gerrit-co...
Aug 3, 2021 — Yankees ace Gerrit Cole will need to quarantine for 10 days after ... This thing is here for the long haul like the flu and common cold…



I don't believe he died.

No one dies of the Wuhan Red Death.

Just the economy.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Last night, watching the Yankee-Sox game, and they interviewed Yankee ace Gerrit Cole. He'd been out with the Wuhan.

He said....'it was tough....like bad flu.'

Gerrit Cole, Jordan Montgomery Test Positive For COVID-19 ...​

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com › 2021/08 › gerrit-co...
Aug 3, 2021 — Yankees ace Gerrit Cole will need to quarantine for 10 days after ... This thing is here for the long haul like the flu and common cold…



I don't believe he died.

No one dies of the Wuhan Red Death.

Just the economy.

We're all gonna get it because of the walking virus factories called the vaccinated....

Just gotta be prepared and plow through it

Feel out you doctors with a what if question...
Get your hands on a treatment by any means necessary.
Stay informed by not watching CNN or listening to what imbeciles of the left call "experts"

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

I say we cremate the vaccinated alive for the greater good ...
For grandma!

 

[Rigby5]

Collin Norris, you totally screwed up the post by trying to insert responses in-line.
There is no reason to do that.
If there are lots of points and you don't want to rephrase to identify the point you are referring to, just insert numbers into the post you are referring to.

And you lie when you say England tried herd immunity.
No one did.
Everyone did full quarantine or at least masks and social distancing.
The only country that did not mandate was Sweden, but they masked and social distanced voluntarily.

As for other vaccines with debilitating effect, there was a batch of Salk vaccine in the 50s that had not been killed, and gave 200,000 people a case of polio.
But these mRNA vaccines are not like any other vaccine.
No one has ever tried any mRNA vaccine on people before, so we really don't know what the effects might be.
These pseudo vaccines do not contain any virus at all, dead or otherwise.
They only sensitize the immune system to generic spike proteins.
Which is very wide spectrum and dangerous, since our own exosomes use these same spike proteins.

 

[marvin martian]

Nope, we have reports of hospital ICU beds being scarce in some areas of the country.

No Pediatric ICU Beds Available in NTX as COVID-19 Cases Surge

On Thursday, the DFW Hospital Council announced that there are no available pediatric ICU beds in North Texas due to the recent surge of COVID-19.

www.nbcdfw.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Updates - Texas Medical Center

Thanks to your hard work, dedication, and sacrifices, we were able to collect and analyze critical data to track the virus’s impact on the greater Houston community. Your unwavering commitment to keeping our communities safe and healthy has truly made a difference in the fight against COVID-19...

www.tmc.edu

Alabama ICU beds 93% full; hospitals more prepared for surge, Harris says

Alabama State Health Officer Dr. Scott Harris said COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continue to rise across the state.

www.wsfa.com

Mississippi, with no ICU beds left, turns parking garage into COVID hospital

Officials on Wednesday said the field hospital should be open by Friday in the parking garage at the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson.

www.wwltv.com

As Delta Variant Spreads, Florida Hospitals Race to Find Open Beds

The Delta variant has pushed Florida Covid-19 hospitalizations to records and AdventHealth’s Orlando-area hospitals beyond capacity, leaving patients to wait in emergency rooms in a potentially dangerous limbo.

www.wsj.com

Don't get vaccinated, nobody cares but stop fucking lying in defense of you idiots not taking responsibility for the fact that it's the unvaccinated that are the problem.

The delta variant is 'ripping through the unvaccinated' and crowding hospitals in Florida, Texas

COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths were up in nearly all 50 states last week, fronted by Florida and Texas, according to CDC data.

www.usatoday.com

Virtually all hospitalized Covid patients have one thing in common: They're unvaccinated

"I haven't had anyone that's been fully vaccinated become critically ill," one doctor said.

www.nbcnews.com

'Pandemic of the unvaccinated' burdens busy US hospitals

The COVID-19 comeback across the U.S. is putting pressure on hospitals at a time when some of them are busy just trying to catch up on surgeries and other procedures that were put on hold during the pandemic.

www.foxnews.com

Dick.

62% of blacks and 57% of hispanics in this country are unvaccinated. Do something about it!

 

[Rigby5]

Nope, we have reports of hospital ICU beds being scarce in some areas of the country.

No Pediatric ICU Beds Available in NTX as COVID-19 Cases Surge

On Thursday, the DFW Hospital Council announced that there are no available pediatric ICU beds in North Texas due to the recent surge of COVID-19.

www.nbcdfw.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Updates - Texas Medical Center

Thanks to your hard work, dedication, and sacrifices, we were able to collect and analyze critical data to track the virus’s impact on the greater Houston community. Your unwavering commitment to keeping our communities safe and healthy has truly made a difference in the fight against COVID-19...

www.tmc.edu

Alabama ICU beds 93% full; hospitals more prepared for surge, Harris says

Alabama State Health Officer Dr. Scott Harris said COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continue to rise across the state.

www.wsfa.com

Mississippi, with no ICU beds left, turns parking garage into COVID hospital

Officials on Wednesday said the field hospital should be open by Friday in the parking garage at the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson.

www.wwltv.com

As Delta Variant Spreads, Florida Hospitals Race to Find Open Beds

The Delta variant has pushed Florida Covid-19 hospitalizations to records and AdventHealth’s Orlando-area hospitals beyond capacity, leaving patients to wait in emergency rooms in a potentially dangerous limbo.

www.wsj.com

Don't get vaccinated, nobody cares but stop fucking lying in defense of you idiots not taking responsibility for the fact that it's the unvaccinated that are the problem.

The delta variant is 'ripping through the unvaccinated' and crowding hospitals in Florida, Texas

COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths were up in nearly all 50 states last week, fronted by Florida and Texas, according to CDC data.

www.usatoday.com

Virtually all hospitalized Covid patients have one thing in common: They're unvaccinated

"I haven't had anyone that's been fully vaccinated become critically ill," one doctor said.

www.nbcnews.com

'Pandemic of the unvaccinated' burdens busy US hospitals

The COVID-19 comeback across the U.S. is putting pressure on hospitals at a time when some of them are busy just trying to catch up on surgeries and other procedures that were put on hold during the pandemic.

www.foxnews.com

Dick.

Wrong.
If it took a year and a half of "flattening the curve" to get to 93% ICU occupancy, then we have many months to go before ICUs over flow, and then we can finally accept all those mobil ICUs that FEMA has been offering for over a year.

Nor should any covid patient need to be in an ICU.
The point of the ICU is when you induce a chemical coma for intubation of a ventilator, and that is murder.
No one with covid should be in an ICU.
They should be kept conscious, rolled over every 4 hours, and even kept walking around if possible, in order to clear the fluid build up from the lungs.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You don't give a fuck about anything but your own virtue signaling ego, and the high you get from the panic porn you try to perpetuate. You're just loving it, it's like a drug, you might have to go back to your boring little life if all this goes away, how sad.

There's another dynamic that I have often observe in LIbtARdS, that is probably at work, here. A drive to achieve “equality”, not by improving themselves, but by trying to drag those who are superior to them down to their own level.

HappyJoy, I think, is deceived and scared. In accordance with the aforementioned principle, I think he seeks to achieve “equality”, not by doing anything to overcome his own cowardice and ignorance, but by trying to deceive and frighten others, to drag others down to his level.

 

[HappyJoy]

There's another dynamic that I have often observe in LIbtARdS, that is probably at work, here. A drive to achieve “equality”, not by improving themselves, but by trying to drag those who are superior to them down to their own level.

HappyJoy, I think, is deceived and scared. In accordance with the aforementioned principle, I think he seeks to achieve “equality”, not by doing anything to overcome his own cowardice and ignorance, but by trying to deceive and frighten others, to drag others down to his level.

Oh? Are white males in short supply of equality all of the sudden?

 

[The Original Tree]

I've changed my opinion over the last week on vaccinations. There are clearly a lot of people who, for their own reasons, are going to refuse to get vaccinated. There's not a damn thing I can do about that, so I'm just trying to deal with reality here. So to make this as clear as I can:

1. I support your right to not get vaccinated.
2. I am against forcing you to get vaccinated.

There. Nice and clear. I figure the only way to get past this mess is to either get vaccinated or get sick and develop an immunity that way, if you don't die. I'll look at it like a controlled burn, where you just get rid of the wasted underbrush. Fine. We can all move on now. And, I won't even ask you to not spread this virus, especially to kids, since we're now seeing an increase in hospitalizations there. I know that asking you to at least be careful for them is an "attack" on your "freedom" and "liberty", and we all know how you feel about THAT.

There. You are free to exercise your freedom and your liberty, and the rest of us will get off your backs. In exchange, I will propose this fully free market compromise:

1. Any business is free to install and enforce mask mandates to protect their employees and patrons. If you don't like that, you are free to exercise your free market rights and shop at their competition.
2. Any hospital is free to (a) put voluntarily non-vaccinated COVID patients on a lower priority for both ICUs and private rooms so that regular patients with other problems can be served as they should be, and (b) charge whatever extra COVID fees they feel are appropriate, whether it is upon admission, on a daily basis, or both. In cash. Up front. A fully free market solution.

Can we agree? Vaxxers? Anti-Vaxxers?

Unvaccinated Couple Desperate for Kids To Get Shots After Ending Up in ICU

Lydia Rodriguez and her husband are on ventilators in a Texas hospital after contracting coronavirus in July.

www.newsweek.com

The Vaccination spreads the Virus, and does not stop the virus not even one bit. Neither do masks. It's all a big lie, and nothing but Big Pharma and Big Fascist Global Government taking away everyone's Right to be Free.