POLL: Let's try a COVID compromise, shall we?

[Rigby5]

I think you greatly underestimate the number of people who would be in the hospital if COVID ping-ponged around 350 million people.



That makes zero sense. More people get COVID at once the more people end up in the hospital at once. You are really not very bright.



How did you handle COVID?

Wrong.
Take Fauci's death estimate for herd immunity of 2.4 million.
He took 70% of 330 million, and multiplied by the 2% lethality he had been told a that time.
But it is obvious why that is all wrong.
He did not know about the asymptomatic who not only were already immune naturally, but since they were not being recorded, then 2% of those infected were not dying, it was more like 0.2%.
Then he had not yet figured out that those under 40 and healthy, were 400 times less at risk for dying then the over 70 group who were most of the actual deaths.
So if you deliberately infect those under 40, you have to divide Fauci's 2.4 million by 400, and you get only 6,000 deaths.

And you are totally wrong about hospital over crowding.
It took over 6 months to get hospitals even close to filling up.
If we had ended it with herd immunity last March, the hospitals would have been near empty.
Time is of the essence with any geometric growth epidemic.
Flattening the curve never could reduce R0 to less than 1, so it was always growing and spreading wider and deeper.
Flattening the curve is the single worst possible thing to ever do.
Hospital over crowding took a very long time.
A rapid end with herd immunity would have prevented that.

 

[Colin norris]

Liar. You said the mRNA vaccines are not experimental, and clearly they are.
Never before have they ever been used.
We experimented with them a little bit in 2009 with SARS, but never on humans

If they are experimental and not used for the current virus, exactly what are they being used for? Show the government evidence they are experimental or withdraw that lie.
Also, why would they experiment with on anything but humans and where's the proof of that lie?
I want to evidence, not you opinion.

This is the first time mRNA vaccines have ever been used in an actual epidemic, and we have no idea what the long term effect might be.

Common sense says that if you achieve herd immunity quickly by deliberately infecting volunteers last March, we could have ended it with fewer than 60,000 dead instead of 660,000 dead like we have now.

Herd immunity was tried in the UK and was a compete failure and eventuated in lockdown.
I have not seen one piece written by "common sense" on here immunity.
Also, where did you get your 60k figure from? That has never been documented by the authorities.

If you know so much about long term effects, tell me which other vaccines for flu, for instance, have had any debilitating effects and proved to be a disaster.

Furthermore, under trump the virus ran wild prior to vaccines and 500k died. So much for you're herd immunity.
You've made some ridiculous statements purely to justify not getting the vaccine.
My original reasons I suggested you're not are still current. I suspect they are why you are objecting so strongly.

See how good you are now at supporting your outrageous accusations.

 

[OldFlame]

Flattening the curve was about not overrunning our healthcare system where we'd run out of space, equipment and healthcare personnel. How do you think if 50 million people ended up in the hospital all at once? And then more people get sick the more chances of newer, deadlier variants.

Millions more would be dead right now, you psycho.

That's just simply not true, my daughter and son-in-law are PA's in a major metro hospitals, they laid off doctors and nurses last year because they were mostly empty throughout the year until they were allowed to do regular procedures once again. Millions would not have died, if millions were going to die, then they would have, nothing would have stopped that from happening. The numbers are already inflated and overblown due to the financial incentives hospitals were given to care for patients, or if patients died from covid. They saw it first hand, so I'll take their word for it over any 'media' outlet that purposely lies to the public.

 

[HappyJoy]

Wrong.
Take Fauci's death estimate for herd immunity of 2.4 million.
He took 70% of 330 million, and multiplied by the 2% lethality he had been told a that time.
But it is obvious why that is all wrong.
He did not know about the asymptomatic who not only were already immune naturally, but since they were not being recorded, then 2% of those infected were not dying, it was more like 0.2%.
Then he had not yet figured out that those under 40 and healthy, were 400 times less at risk for dying then the over 70 group who were most of the actual deaths.
So if you deliberately infect those under 40, you have to divide Fauci's 2.4 million by 400, and you get only 6,000 deaths.

And you are totally wrong about hospital over crowding.
It took over 6 months to get hospitals even close to filling up.
If we had ended it with herd immunity last March, the hospitals would have been near empty.
Time is of the essence with any geometric growth epidemic.
Flattening the curve never could reduce R0 to less than 1, so it was always growing and spreading wider and deeper.
Flattening the curve is the single worst possible thing to ever do.
Hospital over crowding took a very long time.
A rapid end with herd immunity would have prevented that.

Neat. You're talking millions dying, we're already over 600k, it would only go up further if 330 million were exposed. Then of course you're endangering others who won't find any room at the hospital or will hold off on their own health needs because they don't want to get COVID at the hospital.

Not a single serious person in the healthcare community agrees with you.

 

[HappyJoy]

That's just simply not true, my daughter and son-in-law are PA's in a major metro hospitals, they laid off doctors and nurses last year because they were mostly empty throughout the year until they were allowed to do regular procedures once again. Millions would not have died, if millions were going to die, then they would have, nothing would have stopped that from happening. The numbers are already inflated and overblown due to the financial incentives hospitals were given to care for patients, or if patients died from covid. They saw it first hand, so I'll take their word for it over any 'media' outlet that purposely lies to the public.

Not every hospital was hit hard or at the same time. Others were including now in Mississippi, Alabama, Texas and Florida.

I don't give a fuck about worthless (possibly to probably made up) anecdotal stories being told by wingnuts with a political agenda that consists of nothing more than wanting to fellate a has been former president.

 

[OldFlame]

Not every hospital was hit hard or at the same time. Others were including now in Mississippi, Alabama, Texas and Florida.

I don't give a fuck about worthless (possibly to probably made up) anecdotal stories.

Your statement was false, period.

 

[marvin martian]

Who cares. They are obviously saving lives and sickness. Stats prove it dummy.
You can rant like a child all nyou want but you antivaxxers come up with extraordinary excuses but never touch on the real excuse.
You belief it's some conspiracy to repopulate the earth, it contains a microchip to track you, the Chinese are behind it preparing for a take over and yh r most serioysbobe us not obliging because uncle Joe is promoting it.

How fucking idiotic is someone to jot accept a life saving vaccine because the wrong party is advocating it.

Then there's the godbothering republicans who won't trust a Democrat with a broken shovel

You are displaying what a stupid person you are are a blight on the human race.
Exercise your right to no vaccine and die how you chose. No one will miss you.

You sound like the men who pushed Thalidomide on pregnant women. I'll bet you get off on it.

 

[OldFlame]

Not every hospital was hit hard or at the same time. Others were including now in Mississippi, Alabama, Texas and Florida.

I don't give a fuck about worthless (possibly to probably made up) anecdotal stories.

You don't give a fuck about anything but your own virtue signaling ego, and the high you get from the panic porn you try to perpetuate. You're just loving it, it's like a drug, you might have to go back to your boring little life if all this goes away, how sad.

 

[HappyJoy]

Your statement was false, period.

Nope, we have reports of hospital ICU beds being scarce in some areas of the country.

No Pediatric ICU Beds Available in NTX as COVID-19 Cases Surge

On Thursday, the DFW Hospital Council announced that there are no available pediatric ICU beds in North Texas due to the recent surge of COVID-19.

www.nbcdfw.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Updates - Texas Medical Center

Thanks to your hard work, dedication, and sacrifices, we were able to collect and analyze critical data to track the virus’s impact on the greater Houston community. Your unwavering commitment to keeping our communities safe and healthy has truly made a difference in the fight against COVID-19...

www.tmc.edu

Alabama ICU beds 93% full; hospitals more prepared for surge, Harris says

Alabama State Health Officer Dr. Scott Harris said COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continue to rise across the state.

www.wsfa.com

Mississippi, with no ICU beds left, turns parking garage into COVID hospital

Officials on Wednesday said the field hospital should be open by Friday in the parking garage at the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson.

www.wwltv.com

As Delta Variant Spreads, Florida Hospitals Race to Find Open Beds

The Delta variant has pushed Florida Covid-19 hospitalizations to records and AdventHealth’s Orlando-area hospitals beyond capacity, leaving patients to wait in emergency rooms in a potentially dangerous limbo.

www.wsj.com

Don't get vaccinated, nobody cares but stop fucking lying in defense of you idiots not taking responsibility for the fact that it's the unvaccinated that are the problem.

The delta variant is 'ripping through the unvaccinated' and crowding hospitals in Florida, Texas

COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths were up in nearly all 50 states last week, fronted by Florida and Texas, according to CDC data.

www.usatoday.com

Virtually all hospitalized Covid patients have one thing in common: They're unvaccinated

"I haven't had anyone that's been fully vaccinated become critically ill," one doctor said.

www.nbcnews.com

'Pandemic of the unvaccinated' burdens busy US hospitals

The COVID-19 comeback across the U.S. is putting pressure on hospitals at a time when some of them are busy just trying to catch up on surgeries and other procedures that were put on hold during the pandemic.

www.foxnews.com

Dick.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Stop trolling or take a hike.

Nobody has mastered the art of talking out of both sides of his mouth quite like Mac.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You don't give a fuck about anything but your own virtue signaling ego, and the high you get from the panic porn you try to perpetuate. You're just loving it, it's like a drug, you might have to go back to your boring little life if all this goes away, how sad.

Yep. These uneducated leftists are nothing more than Pavlov's pooch salivating when the dinner bell rings, aren't they?

They are our modern day play actors standing on the street corner proclaiming their virtue for all to hear.

 

[TNHarley]

Nobody has mastered the art of talking out of both sides of his mouth quite like Mac.

Whats funny is, thats not my comment. Mine was way more vulgar
You know how i roll lol

 

[Adrenochrome Junkie]

I've changed my opinion over the last week on vaccinations. There are clearly a lot of people who, for their own reasons, are going to refuse to get vaccinated. There's not a damn thing I can do about that, so I'm just trying to deal with reality here. So to make this as clear as I can:

1. I support your right to not get vaccinated.
2. I am against forcing you to get vaccinated.

There. Nice and clear. I figure the only way to get past this mess is to either get vaccinated or get sick and develop an immunity that way, if you don't die. I'll look at it like a controlled burn, where you just get rid of the wasted underbrush. Fine. We can all move on now. And, I won't even ask you to not spread this virus, especially to kids, since we're now seeing an increase in hospitalizations there. I know that asking you to at least be careful for them is an "attack" on your "freedom" and "liberty", and we all know how you feel about THAT.

There. You are free to exercise your freedom and your liberty, and the rest of us will get off your backs. In exchange, I will propose this fully free market compromise:

1. Any business is free to install and enforce mask mandates to protect their employees and patrons. If you don't like that, you are free to exercise your free market rights and shop at their competition.
2. Any hospital is free to (a) put voluntarily non-vaccinated COVID patients on a lower priority for both ICUs and private rooms so that regular patients with other problems can be served as they should be, and (b) charge whatever extra COVID fees they feel are appropriate, whether it is upon admission, on a daily basis, or both. In cash. Up front. A fully free market solution.

Can we agree? Vaxxers? Anti-Vaxxers?

Unvaccinated Couple Desperate for Kids To Get Shots After Ending Up in ICU

Lydia Rodriguez and her husband are on ventilators in a Texas hospital after contracting coronavirus in July.

www.newsweek.com

I’m going with option 5: go fuck yourself

 

[Mac1958]

I’m going with option 5: go fuck yourself

Why, Q?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I've changed my opinion over the last week on vaccinations.

That's nothing considereing your complete about face on almost all other issues since you contracted TDS in 2016.

 

[OldFlame]

Nope, we have reports of hospital ICU beds being scarce in some areas of the country.

No Pediatric ICU Beds Available in NTX as COVID-19 Cases Surge

On Thursday, the DFW Hospital Council announced that there are no available pediatric ICU beds in North Texas due to the recent surge of COVID-19.

www.nbcdfw.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Updates - Texas Medical Center

Thanks to your hard work, dedication, and sacrifices, we were able to collect and analyze critical data to track the virus’s impact on the greater Houston community. Your unwavering commitment to keeping our communities safe and healthy has truly made a difference in the fight against COVID-19...

www.tmc.edu

Alabama ICU beds 93% full; hospitals more prepared for surge, Harris says

Alabama State Health Officer Dr. Scott Harris said COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continue to rise across the state.

www.wsfa.com

Mississippi, with no ICU beds left, turns parking garage into COVID hospital

Officials on Wednesday said the field hospital should be open by Friday in the parking garage at the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson.

www.wwltv.com

As Delta Variant Spreads, Florida Hospitals Race to Find Open Beds

The Delta variant has pushed Florida Covid-19 hospitalizations to records and AdventHealth’s Orlando-area hospitals beyond capacity, leaving patients to wait in emergency rooms in a potentially dangerous limbo.

www.wsj.com

Don't get vaccinated, nobody cares but stop fucking lying in defense of you idiots not taking responsibility for the fact that it's the unvaccinated that are the problem.

The delta variant is 'ripping through the unvaccinated' and crowding hospitals in Florida, Texas

COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths were up in nearly all 50 states last week, fronted by Florida and Texas, according to CDC data.

www.usatoday.com

Virtually all hospitalized Covid patients have one thing in common: They're unvaccinated

"I haven't had anyone that's been fully vaccinated become critically ill," one doctor said.

www.nbcnews.com

'Pandemic of the unvaccinated' burdens busy US hospitals

The COVID-19 comeback across the U.S. is putting pressure on hospitals at a time when some of them are busy just trying to catch up on surgeries and other procedures that were put on hold during the pandemic.

www.foxnews.com

Dick.

I believe our little back and forth was about millions dying because of overloaded hospitals if we didn't 'flatten the curve' last year. I responded that your 'millions dying' because of overloaded hospitals was pure bullshit.. Hospitals were laying people off last year, fact. So your above copy/paste post that you throw everywhere, is totally irrelevant to the topic we were discussing. And even if we were talking about the current situation, mass hysteria click seeking media are also full of shit. If Trump were still in office, you'd be using this same bullshit to accuse him of murder for not handling the covid situation in a responsible manner, as would the media. So I guess by your standards, Biden currently has allowed an emergency to get out of control, and he has blood on his hands.

 

[Mac1958]

That's nothing considereing your complete about face on almost all other issues since you contracted TDS in 2016.

Still waiting on those examples. Why do you keep trying this?

Examples, please. Man up and back up your words. For once.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Still waiting on those examples. Why do you keep trying this?

Examples, please. Man up and back up your words. For once.

I have already provided many.

Your theme before 2016 was "regressives" . Today, there isn't a regressive poster here you haven't supported. For fuck's sake, you were even right there with Tommy Taint the other day.

 

[Mac1958]

I have already provided many.

Your theme before 2016 was "regressives" . Today, there isn't a regressive poster here you haven't supported. For fuck's sake, you were even right there with Tommy Taint the other day.

You haven't provided even one. You are a liar and a coward.

And I clearly reiterated my opinion on the Regressive Left the LAST time you were bitching at me. Islam is not an active issue right now, but you know that.

Your TDS has turned you into a sheep, a liar and a coward. A Dogmaphile.

I'll be waiting for those examples, but I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You haven't provided even one. You are a liar and a coward.

And I clearly reiterated my opinion on the Regressive Left the LAST time you were bitching at me. Islam is not an active issue right now, but you know that.

Your TDS has turned you into a sheep, a liar and a coward. A Dogmaphile.

I'll be waiting for those examples, but I won't be holding my breath.

There are times when I think a certain moderator must have taken over your account, and this is one of them.