Not going to work, an interesting dichotomy.

[danielpalos]

If there are fewer and fewer jobs available because of automation, there will be fewer and fewer consumers, which defeats the purpose all together.

Higher paid labor creates more demand and generates more tax revenue.

 

[iceberg]

But, there is diminishing return on that automation.

If there are fewer and fewer jobs available because of automation, there will be fewer and fewer consumers, which defeats the purpose all together.

Communist Academics have been pushing this false idea of automation so they can get people to believe that someday there will be no jobs, so we MUST go to Socialism/Marxism/Communism or everyone will starve and die. It's complete bullshit.

why would there be fewer consumers? the overall trend is away from fast food anyway as the youth of today has put a focus on healthier eating. (which i know *i* should do but that's another story).

if you mean less money for them to buy food or eat out - ok, i can see that to a point. they still have to eat and if they are eating at home more, businesses and services will shift there. my $12 lunch is $22 if i uber it in. i know i'll be doing a lot less uber deliveries simply because by the time you add in a tip and pay the "fees", it does go way up in cost.

maybe i should eat home cooking more and healthier choices

i get what you are saying, but i do see that shift coming to replace the employees who can be and culture will take it from there.

 

[bendog]

Yes, I blame him for trying to make the country a better place to work and live.

Well Red Bernie and AOC think they're making America better too.

At one time, politicians tried to find policies that 60% or more could support.

 

[danielpalos]

But subsidized after school care doesn't encourage people to not seek work. Actually it does the opposite. I wonder why all D's and R's aren't for it. And available for workers earning more than minimal pay.

School breakfasts and lunches don't discourage work, either.

That is not available everywhere.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

why would there be fewer consumers?

less people working due to automation means less people getting a pay check, which means less people with money to buy things

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

In this country there is a group of people that are basically refusing to go to work for what they consider shit wages for shit jobs. They are holding out hoping to force companies to pay better wages. This group is venerated by the left and vilified by the right.

Then we have a group of people that are staging "sick outs" and quitting their jobs over the vaccine mandates, hoping to force companies not to enforce it. This group is venerated by the right and vilified by the left.

But in the end, are not both groups trying for the same thing, to use the power in numbers that employees have to force changes by employers?

I don't have a problem with either one. I have a problem with the government paying people not to work.

 

[iceberg]

less people working due to automation means less people getting a pay check, which means less people with money to buy things

yea, i got to that in my ramble. worth a study to see what the net loss/gain would be.

 

[DukeU]

Well Red Bernie and AOC think they're making America better too.

Better for who? Illegals? Criminals? Democrats?

 

[JohnDB]

He wants to do those things, that is where the big bucks are.

His biggest problem is he is only 19 so his CDL is only good in one state at at time, fucking stupid bullshit.

Yeah...tell him to study inside wireman stuff.... like motor controls and instrumentation...it's math heavy (as well as an understanding of hydraulics, pipefitting and electronics) but the pay is the same and hours and locations are better...
Unless you go out to the rigs in the gulf...but you are treated like royalty everywhere.

Yes, I'm a primadonna...just not a drama queen. I work for who I want, when I want and have turned around at the gate because I seen a known asshole in leadership.

They have needed me more than I have needed them for years. But the education and learning curve was difficult and unpleasant to say the least about it.

But now I have needed skills that, while not impossible, are difficult to obtain.

 

[danielpalos]

Better for who? Illegals? Criminals? Democrats?

Upgrading infrastructure benefits everyone.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

People who suck off the government tit rather than take a job, are low lifes, and they should be treated like low lifes.

Why do they do it? Because Dimocrats push for, and create policies that allow them to do so.

The OP is upset that so-called conservatives are refusing to go to work if it means having to be vaxxed. If they knew they couldn't collect Biden money, they likely would have to swallow their arrogance, and get the vaccines.

 

[DukeU]

Upgrading infrastructure benefits everyone.

Great, so the homeless numbers are going down now right?

 

[iceberg]

Upgrading infrastructure benefits everyone.

since they've redefined the term to be "social infrastructure" and not our roads, bridges and things that are needed, how do we *all* benefit from this bullshit?

 

[BrokeLoser]

I agree with all of this, it is a risk they run. Not unlike the auto factory workers of the 70s that led to the automation of that job. One of the reasons my son choose to become a lineman....so far there is no possible way to be automated out of that line of work

Lineman should worry about stand-alone solar and wind systems.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

This is a lie.

Wrong. It's truth.

 

[bendog]

That is not available everywhere.

Exactly, and neither party pushed it. We have both parties pushing platforms that don't have jobs and the no. 1 goal

 

[Independent thinker]

In this country there is a group of people that are basically refusing to go to work for what they consider shit wages for shit jobs. They are holding out hoping to force companies to pay better wages. This group is venerated by the left and vilified by the right.

Then we have a group of people that are staging "sick outs" and quitting their jobs over the vaccine mandates, hoping to force companies not to enforce it. This group is venerated by the right and vilified by the left.

But in the end, are not both groups trying for the same thing, to use the power in numbers that employees have to force changes by employers?

This is the US. People have the right to either work or not work. But, if you don't work you don't get paid. Zero, zip, nodda. That is your right.

 

[iceberg]

Lineman should worry about stand-alone solar and wind systems.

and which of those are set to dominate efficiently in the next 20 years?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I wonder how scenarios like this, will drive Biden inflation up even further?

Nearly half a million shipping containers are stuck off the coast of Southern California as the ports operate below capacity​

Shortages of workers, equipment, and a lack of coordination across the transportation industry created a ripple effect.

Nearly half a million shipping containers are stuck off the coast of Southern California as the ports operate below capacity

The ports currently have 19 mega-container ships and approximately 12 million tons of goods waiting to dock and unload for as long as a month.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[JohnDB]

yea, skillset needed, risk of job, disruption to "normal" life - these people should be paid more and are earning it by hard work. in my eyes, you need to do more than flip burgers to take care of a family.

while this may sound harsh, reality can definitely be that harsh or worse. instead of giving these people money and a guaranteed income, lets give them a guaranteed education in skills and services that can aid them in getting a better life.

Requisite skills to be successful in life are in a constant state of change.
Where once knowing exactly how to quickly and efficiently build a wagon wheel might have been a high paying job, these days changing and balancing a tire is still a low paying service job.

Marketable skills change...it's a universal constant. And industry changes are inevitable.
And just because no one is going into those fields of study doesn't mean that those skills are going to be obsolete either.

Mathematics and sciences are going to continue to be rare...so are Craftsman/tradesman skills. HVAC, Plumbing/Pipefitting, and electricians of all sorts are going to continue to be scarce.
(Trim Carpenters seem to be in fits and starts depending on trends)
Painters are still the drunks on the job.