Mexican to be executed in Texas

[bianco]

False.

It is not "most certain" (it is not "certain" at all, in fact) and it is far from a matter of "should." Once again, you offer a complete lack of a coherent or rational "argument."

I could make a better argument against the death penalty than the trite amateur hour clap trap you have posted, and I am not even firmly opposed to or committed to the death penalty. Unlike you, my position allows for exceptions. Your rigid thinking is simply shallow.

True.

The Innocence Project - Home

Government Misconduct

Some wrongful convictions are caused by honest mistakes. But in far too many cases, the very people who are responsible for ensuring truth and justice — law enforcement officials and prosecutors — lose sight of these obligations and instead focus solely on securing convictions.

The cases of wrongful convictions uncovered by DNA testing are filled with evidence of negligence, fraud or misconduct by prosecutors or police departments.


Unreliable or Improper Forensic Science

Since the late 1980s, DNA analysis has helped identify the guilty and exonerate the innocent nationwide. While DNA testing was developed through extensive scientific research at top academic centers, many other forensic techniques — such as hair microscopy, bite mark comparisons, firearm tool mark analysis and shoe print comparisons — have never been subjected to rigorous scientific evaluation. Meanwhile, forensics techniques that have been properly validated — such as serology, commonly known as blood typing — are sometimes improperly conducted or inaccurately conveyed in trial testimony.
In some cases, forensic analysts have fabricated results or engaged in other misconduct.

Poor blanco can't fathom that the fact that human affairs are imperfect does not translate into the proposition that the death penalty must be abolished.

The fact that human affairs are imperfect is the best reason why the death penalty must be abolished...leaving aside the fraud, misconduct and fabrications etc in the justice system.

 

[bianco]

Amnesty International Responds to Execution of Mexican National in Texas | Amnesty International USA

Amnesty International Responds to Execution of Mexican National in Texas

Authorities Value Power to Kill More Than Obligation to Do What is Right

(Washington, D.C.) - Amnesty International USA Executive Director, Steven W. Hawkins, released the following statement in response to the execution of Mexican national in Texas.

"Tonight, Edgar Tamayo became the 509th prisoner executed in Texas since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976. Days before his execution, Edgar was reported to have said, 'If they execute me, please tell my countrymen, all of Mexico, to forgive me for having failed them and returning in a box.'

"When Texas authorities took Edgar's life they defied our nation's international obligations. Edgar had a right to know he could seek the support and assistance of his government. If he had, he might have had a lawyer that would have conducted more than 16 hours’ worth of investigation before going to trial. He might have had an expert testify that the brain injuries he sustained as a child could only be described as 'life-changing'. He might have had an expert psychologist testify that he suffered from 'mild mental retardation' and had an IQ of 67. Most of all, he might still be alive today.

"Texas is no longer just the country’s #1 executor, it's also a state whose authorities just demonstrated, yet again, that they value the power to kill more than the obligation to do what is right. This is not justice.

"Amnesty International USA joins people around the world in their outrage over the deliberate taking of yet another life. Today, we remind authorities in Texas and in other states throughout the nation that with every execution the movement to abolish the death penalty grows stronger. Abolition is coming to Texas."

Amnesty International is a Nobel Peace Prize-winning grassroots activist organization with 3 million members in more than 150 countries campaigning for human rights worldwide. The organization investigates and exposes abuses, educates and mobilizes the public, and works to protect people wherever justice, freedom, truth and dignity are denied.

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Yes, not a matter of if, just a matter of when.

Maybe the next President will do something...the current one is big on speeches but not so big on direct action.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

True.

The Innocence Project - Home

Government Misconduct

Some wrongful convictions are caused by honest mistakes. But in far too many cases, the very people who are responsible for ensuring truth and justice — law enforcement officials and prosecutors — lose sight of these obligations and instead focus solely on securing convictions.

The cases of wrongful convictions uncovered by DNA testing are filled with evidence of negligence, fraud or misconduct by prosecutors or police departments.


Unreliable or Improper Forensic Science

Since the late 1980s, DNA analysis has helped identify the guilty and exonerate the innocent nationwide. While DNA testing was developed through extensive scientific research at top academic centers, many other forensic techniques — such as hair microscopy, bite mark comparisons, firearm tool mark analysis and shoe print comparisons — have never been subjected to rigorous scientific evaluation. Meanwhile, forensics techniques that have been properly validated — such as serology, commonly known as blood typing — are sometimes improperly conducted or inaccurately conveyed in trial testimony.
In some cases, forensic analysts have fabricated results or engaged in other misconduct.

Poor blanco can't fathom that the fact that human affairs are imperfect does not translate into the proposition that the death penalty must be abolished.

The fact that human affairs are imperfect is the best reason why the death penalty must be abolished...leaving aside the fraud, misconduct and fabrications etc in the justice system.

What a load of crap.

No system of justice on the mortal plane will ever be perfect.

There ARE arguments to be made relative to the proposition that the death penalty should be abolished.

But blanco, you are failing to make them.

If some son of a bitch scumbag multiple murderer happens to get caught and successfully prosecuted (fairly and squarely) and evades a death penalty, he has to be lodged somewhere. They call it "prison." Because of some bleeding heart notions regarding "cruel and unusual punishment," however, the convicted multiple murdering cock-bite CANNOT be isolated from other human beings within those prison walls. It boils down to him having a "right" to be out of his cell and in a gym or in the "yard" near other human beings.

This means that at some point, the prospect exists that he will injure, maim or kill either another prisoner or a prison guard.

And STILL, in your silly universe, there would be no ability of society to "put him down" like we would a mad dog.

To make it crystal clear for you and your simplistic view of the world, there is a pretty good argument that we MUST have something left to hold over the head of such vile loathsome shit-birds. We need to be able to put such vermin out of OUR misery. Because the "threat" of another prosecution and another prison sentence of 25 to life (or life without possibility of parole) on top of multiple OTHER such sentences is not a real threat of any kind.

Sometimes the death penalty is simply society's way of expressing their right to self defense.

 

[theHawk]

Amnesty International Responds to Execution of Mexican National in Texas | Amnesty International USA

Amnesty International Responds to Execution of Mexican National in Texas

Authorities Value Power to Kill More Than Obligation to Do What is Right

(Washington, D.C.) - Amnesty International USA Executive Director, Steven W. Hawkins, released the following statement in response to the execution of Mexican national in Texas.

"Tonight, Edgar Tamayo became the 509th prisoner executed in Texas since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976. Days before his execution, Edgar was reported to have said, 'If they execute me, please tell my countrymen, all of Mexico, to forgive me for having failed them and returning in a box.'

"When Texas authorities took Edgar's life they defied our nation's international obligations. Edgar had a right to know he could seek the support and assistance of his government. If he had, he might have had a lawyer that would have conducted more than 16 hours’ worth of investigation before going to trial. He might have had an expert testify that the brain injuries he sustained as a child could only be described as 'life-changing'. He might have had an expert psychologist testify that he suffered from 'mild mental retardation' and had an IQ of 67. Most of all, he might still be alive today.

"Texas is no longer just the country’s #1 executor, it's also a state whose authorities just demonstrated, yet again, that they value the power to kill more than the obligation to do what is right. This is not justice.

"Amnesty International USA joins people around the world in their outrage over the deliberate taking of yet another life. Today, we remind authorities in Texas and in other states throughout the nation that with every execution the movement to abolish the death penalty grows stronger. Abolition is coming to Texas."

Amnesty International is a Nobel Peace Prize-winning grassroots activist organization with 3 million members in more than 150 countries campaigning for human rights worldwide. The organization investigates and exposes abuses, educates and mobilizes the public, and works to protect people wherever justice, freedom, truth and dignity are denied.

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Yes, not a matter of if, just a matter of when.

Maybe the next President will do something...the current one is big on speeches but not so big on direct action.

No one gives a shit about amnesty international.

If you don't want to get executed, then don't commit murder in Texas.

There isn't going to be any more retaliation in Mexico than there already has been lately against Americans.

I bet you would prefer we give in to the demands of terrorists as well.

 

[driveby]

Nothing like a good execution to warm a real Texan's heart.

Not even close to how a dead cop warms a liberals heart, unless they can blame it on the tea party of course.....

 

[bianco]

Amnesty International Responds to Execution of Mexican National in Texas | Amnesty International USA

Amnesty International Responds to Execution of Mexican National in Texas

Authorities Value Power to Kill More Than Obligation to Do What is Right

(Washington, D.C.) - Amnesty International USA Executive Director, Steven W. Hawkins, released the following statement in response to the execution of Mexican national in Texas.

"Tonight, Edgar Tamayo became the 509th prisoner executed in Texas since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976. Days before his execution, Edgar was reported to have said, 'If they execute me, please tell my countrymen, all of Mexico, to forgive me for having failed them and returning in a box.'

"When Texas authorities took Edgar's life they defied our nation's international obligations. Edgar had a right to know he could seek the support and assistance of his government. If he had, he might have had a lawyer that would have conducted more than 16 hours’ worth of investigation before going to trial. He might have had an expert testify that the brain injuries he sustained as a child could only be described as 'life-changing'. He might have had an expert psychologist testify that he suffered from 'mild mental retardation' and had an IQ of 67. Most of all, he might still be alive today.

"Texas is no longer just the country’s #1 executor, it's also a state whose authorities just demonstrated, yet again, that they value the power to kill more than the obligation to do what is right. This is not justice.

"Amnesty International USA joins people around the world in their outrage over the deliberate taking of yet another life. Today, we remind authorities in Texas and in other states throughout the nation that with every execution the movement to abolish the death penalty grows stronger. Abolition is coming to Texas."

Amnesty International is a Nobel Peace Prize-winning grassroots activist organization with 3 million members in more than 150 countries campaigning for human rights worldwide. The organization investigates and exposes abuses, educates and mobilizes the public, and works to protect people wherever justice, freedom, truth and dignity are denied.

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Yes, not a matter of if, just a matter of when.

Maybe the next President will do something...the current one is big on speeches but not so big on direct action.

No one gives a shit about amnesty international.

If you don't want to get executed, then don't commit murder in Texas.

There isn't going to be any more retaliation in Mexico than there already has been lately against Americans.

I bet you would prefer we give in to the demands of terrorists as well.

Then you'd lose your money.
Amnesty has lots of devotees and warriors...gee, without Amnesty, Schapelle Corby and others might be dead or almost dead by now.

Abolition is coming to Texas.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Amnesty International Responds to Execution of Mexican National in Texas | Amnesty International USA



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Yes, not a matter of if, just a matter of when.

Maybe the next President will do something...the current one is big on speeches but not so big on direct action.

No one gives a shit about amnesty international.

If you don't want to get executed, then don't commit murder in Texas.

There isn't going to be any more retaliation in Mexico than there already has been lately against Americans.

I bet you would prefer we give in to the demands of terrorists as well.

Then you'd lose your money.
Amnesty has lots of devotees and warriors...gee, without Amnesty, Schapelle Corby and others might be dead or almost dead by now.

Abolition is coming to Texas.

Amnesty International is just a laughably obvious front group.

Nobody with any sense pays too much attention to their predictable musings.

Abolition of the death penalty may or may not be coming to Texas (and elsewhere). But Shamnesty International will not have anything significant to do with it.

 

[bianco]

Says you.

Of course Amnesty will have something to do with it.

Amnesty International is a Nobel Peace Prize-winning grassroots activist organization with 3 million members in more than 150 countries campaigning for human rights worldwide. The organization investigates and exposes abuses, educates and mobilizes the public, and works to protect people wherever justice, freedom, truth and dignity are denied.

Death chambers are human rights abuse.

 

[Jroc]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0vYq3u02M]Hero's welcome for Mexican man executed for murder in Texas - YouTube[/ame]

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Says you.

Of course Amnesty will have something to do with it.

Amnesty International is a Nobel Peace Prize-winning grassroots activist organization with 3 million members in more than 150 countries campaigning for human rights worldwide. The organization investigates and exposes abuses, educates and mobilizes the public, and works to protect people wherever justice, freedom, truth and dignity are denied.

Death chambers are human rights abuse.

Sometimes they are.

Sometimes they aren't.

You mindlessly and perpetually repeating yourself is not actually anything akin to "argument," however.

Shamnesty International is a front group and unworthy of any credence.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Amnesty is funded in part by the likes of fucking George Soros and his "open society" umbrella group. http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...495-427d-b9bc-b488e5e98976/fin400062011en.pdf (see page 8 at item 9)and http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/people/george-soros

Please.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Killed a police officer, huh? I think they should hang him in public.

 

[bianco]

Texas chamber of death to execution-homicide another human being this week.

This time a woman.
Texas, an equal opportunity death chamber killer.

Texas Prepares To Execute Women?s Death Row Inmate

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No loss to the world...but once again it's not about the heinous crime, it's about the barbaric, uncivilised if you like, actions of the state.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Texas chamber of death to execution-homicide another human being this week.

This time a woman.
Texas, an equal opportunity death chamber killer.

Texas Prepares To Execute Women?s Death Row Inmate

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No loss to the world...but once again it's not about the heinous crime, it's about the barbaric, uncivilised if you like, actions of the state.

No. It IS a out the heinous crimes, the hideously evil perpetrators of the crimes and, upon their being put down, the complete impossibility of them doing it ever again.

One could even argue that it would be uncivilized NOT to make sure that they can't do it again.

Your arguments are so weak, juvenile and trite, that you are actually convincing me (a person not exactly in much favor of the death penalty) of the rectitude of having a death penalty.

 

[bianco]

Texas chamber of death to execution-homicide another human being this week.

This time a woman.
Texas, an equal opportunity death chamber killer.

Texas Prepares To Execute Women?s Death Row Inmate

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No loss to the world...but once again it's not about the heinous crime, it's about the barbaric, uncivilised if you like, actions of the state.

No. It IS a out the heinous crimes, the hideously evil perpetrators of the crimes and, upon their being put down, the complete impossibility of them doing it ever again.

One could even argue that it would be uncivilized NOT to make sure that they can't do it again.

Your arguments are so weak, juvenile and trite, that you are actually convincing me (a person not exactly in much favor of the death penalty) of the rectitude of having a death penalty.

You, not in favour of the death penalty/death chambers ?
LOL
Hilarious...you are obviously the biggest fan of it all.

You can make sure they never do it again, by simply keeping them in a maximum security prison.
That's not why Texas-ilk execution-homicide them, its for revenge, makes them feel happy..."closure"...plain and simple.

 

[Meathead]

Texas chamber of death to execution-homicide another human being this week.

This time a woman.
Texas, an equal opportunity death chamber killer.

Texas Prepares To Execute Women?s Death Row Inmate

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No loss to the world...but once again it's not about the heinous crime, it's about the barbaric, uncivilised if you like, actions of the state.

She deserves it. Justice!

 

[bianco]

Texas chamber of death to execution-homicide another human being this week.

This time a woman.
Texas, an equal opportunity death chamber killer.

Texas Prepares To Execute Women?s Death Row Inmate

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No loss to the world...but once again it's not about the heinous crime, it's about the barbaric, uncivilised if you like, actions of the state.

She deserves it. Justice!

She might deserve it [she sure seems crazy, crazy enough to be mentallly ill] ...but it sure isn't justice...more like premeditated, cold-blooded, state homicide.
Injustice to those of The People who don't want it and in whose name it's carried out.

 

[Meathead]

Texas chamber of death to execution-homicide another human being this week.

This time a woman.
Texas, an equal opportunity death chamber killer.

Texas Prepares To Execute Women?s Death Row Inmate

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No loss to the world...but once again it's not about the heinous crime, it's about the barbaric, uncivilised if you like, actions of the state.

She deserves it. Justice!

She might deserve it [she sure seems crazy, crazy enough to be mentallly ill] ...but it sure isn't justice...more like premeditated, cold-blooded, state homicide.
Injustice to those of The People who don't want it and in whose name it's carried out.

It is justice and so by definition. The term is derived from the word "just", meaning equal to/no more than. Actually, justice would dictate that she die in a much less humane way. Try another tact. Semantics fail you.

 

[Jroc]

Texas chamber of death to execution-homicide another human being this week.

This time a woman.
Texas, an equal opportunity death chamber killer.

Texas Prepares To Execute Women?s Death Row Inmate

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No loss to the world...but once again it's not about the heinous crime, it's about the barbaric, uncivilised if you like, actions of the state.

She deserves it. Justice!

this needs posted for context

Basso, who was held on women’s death row in Gatesville, was convicted of capital murder in the death in 1998 of Louis Musso, 59, a mentally impaired man in Harris County who was beaten with belts, baseball bats and hands and kicked with steel-toed boots at his home in Jacinto City, just east of Houston.

He was also bathed in a solution of beach and pine cleaner and scrubbed with a wire brush.

His body was unrecognizable after the attack, authorities said.

 

[Jroc]

Texas chamber of death to execution-homicide another human being this week.

This time a woman.
Texas, an equal opportunity death chamber killer.

Texas Prepares To Execute Women?s Death Row Inmate

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No loss to the world...but once again it's not about the heinous crime, it's about the barbaric, uncivilised if you like, actions of the state.

She deserves it. Justice!

this needs posted for context

Basso, who was held on women’s death row in Gatesville, was convicted of capital murder in the death in 1998 of Louis Musso, 59, a mentally impaired man in Harris County who was beaten with belts, baseball bats and hands and kicked with steel-toed boots at his home in Jacinto City, just east of Houston.

He was also bathed in a solution of beach and pine cleaner and scrubbed with a wire brush.

His body was unrecognizable after the attack, authorities said.