Mexican to be executed in Texas

[bianco]

US court won't stop execution of Mexican | News.com.au

US court won't stop execution of Mexican

A US federal appeals court is refusing to halt the execution of a Mexican national convicted of killing a Houston police officer, despite diplomatic pressure and pleas from the Mexican government.

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Not what I'd be doing.


If I were an American citizen I'd be staying out of Mexico...as IMO there will be a lot of angry people there after this.

Like when Indonesia execution-homicides Aussie boys Chan and Sukumaran, the hatred of Indonesia will be white-hot among many people in Australia.

um, ok, let's think this over

HE KILLED AN AMERICAN COP!!!!

What the fuck is wrong with you Liberals???

Seriously? What the fuck is wrong with you?

The crime he was convicted of is well known.
Can you guarantee 100% that he was guilty?

Anyway, it's not about him, and his crime, ...it's about the State's actions/death chambers.

In this case he was a foreign national...was...he's no longer alive...turned into a corpse in the Texas chamber of death.

Mexico and Mexicans have a right to be outraged.
They begged for his life...a life sentence instead of being execution-homicided and his family terrorised...but alas, Texas basically told them "Butt out on death penalty" [as Indonesia, Obama's best buddy, did to Australia]..."Our sovereignty, our laws, our system".

Mexico, Australia, Britain etc...as usual fight with their hands tied behind their backs, as they abolished their death chambers long ago, and don't execution-homicide American citizens and terrorise their families.

Americans committing crimes in Mexico, Australia, Britain etc will always be kept alive.
Their families can always visit them and aren't terrorised by the state.

Obama promised to take America back to the United Nations.

 

[bianco]

One could argue that American citizens smuggling drugs into Australia are killing their citizens.

Police make massive cash haul - australia - world | Stuff.co.nz

A 58-year-old US citizen is in custody after police on Saturday found seven suitcases in the Mascot unit he was staying at, Australian Federal Police Commissioner Tony Negus saidy.

He made the announcement after briefing the media about a special task force launched by the Australian Crime Commission, codenamed Eligo, which last year seized more than A$580 million worth of drugs and assets associated with money laundering.

In Singapore and Malaysia he would be hanged.
In Indonesia he'd likely be execution-shredded...unless Obama would speak for him.

 

[bianco]

US state governors have way too much power...and should be stripped of much of that power immediately.

Last month, Secretary of State Kerry urged Governor Perry, a foe of the Obama administration, to reconsider Tamayo's execution because it could make it more difficult for the United States to help Americans in legal trouble abroad.

On Wednesday, the State Department said it has been in communication with Texas throughout the process. Texas argues it is not bound by the International Court of Justice ruling.

The US Secretary of State urging the Governor of Texas?
The US Secretary of State should be telling the Governor of Texas in cases like this.

The power of life and death should be removed from the states...immediately.
The President is supposed to be 'king', 'the most powerful man on earth'.


Texas executes Mexican national despite diplomatic protests | Reuters

Protesters stand outside the ''Walls'' prison unit where Edgar Tamayo is scheduled to be executed in Huntsville, Texas January 22, 2014.

 

[Jroc]

US state governors have way too much power...and should be stripped of much of that power immediately.

Last month, Secretary of State Kerry urged Governor Perry, a foe of the Obama administration, to reconsider Tamayo's execution because it could make it more difficult for the United States to help Americans in legal trouble abroad.

On Wednesday, the State Department said it has been in communication with Texas throughout the process. Texas argues it is not bound by the International Court of Justice ruling.

The US Secretary of State urging the Governor of Texas?
The US Secretary of State should be telling the Governor of Texas in cases like this.

The power of life and death should be removed from the states...immediately.
The President is supposed to be 'king', 'the most powerful man on earth'.


Texas executes Mexican national despite diplomatic protests | Reuters

Protesters stand outside the ''Walls'' prison unit where Edgar Tamayo is scheduled to be executed in Huntsville, Texas January 22, 2014.

Shut up idiot we have a Constitution here. We don't have kings and the federal government does have the death penalty as well

 

[bianco]

'King' is a figure of speech.

Honeycomb ice cream is 'king'.

The federal govt should not have death chambers either. Obama had the ability to abolish them, or should have had, being all powerful...but made no attempt to.
He stands condemned.

Seems the President has no power at all, and is basically just a figurehead these days, like the Queen of England is.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Yes, but; Mexico is now civilised, bulldozed its death chambers.

Capital punishment in Mexico was officially abolished in 2005, having not been used in civil cases since 1937, and in military cases since 1961.

In a gun fight, the State can claim self defence.
In a death chamber, where it turns living human beings into corpses, it cannot.

Slowly but surely US states are seeing the light and abolishing their death chambers.


Of course, with the corruption and fraud in legal systems, there can be no guarantee that all Mexican cartel accused and all others accused, are actually guilty.

All convicteds must be kept alive in case they are innocent.
That is only fair.

Your daffynition of "civilized" is both laughable and wrong.

All that follows from the fact that Mexico has abolished the death penalty is that they are now lacking a death penalty.

It says NOTHING at all about whether (or not) they are "civilized."

And no. It is flatly not the case that all convicted murdering scumbag felons must be kept alive "in case they are innocent." Their guilt (by and large correctly) having already been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Sure, errors do sometimes occur, albeit rarely. It is an imperfect world. That is one pretty fair argument against capital punishment, but no: it is not the "be all and end all" you pretend it is.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

US court won't stop execution of Mexican | News.com.au

US court won't stop execution of Mexican

A US federal appeals court is refusing to halt the execution of a Mexican national convicted of killing a Houston police officer, despite diplomatic pressure and pleas from the Mexican government.

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Not what I'd be doing.


If I were an American citizen I'd be staying out of Mexico...as IMO there will be a lot of angry people there after this.

Like when Indonesia execution-homicides Aussie boys Chan and Sukumaran, the hatred of Indonesia will be white-hot among many people in Australia.

um, ok, let's think this over

HE KILLED AN AMERICAN COP!!!!

What the fuck is wrong with you Liberals???

Seriously? What the fuck is wrong with you?

The crime he was convicted of is well known.
Can you guarantee 100% that he was guilty?

Anyway, it's not about him, and his crime, ...it's about the State's actions/death chambers.

In this case he was a foreign national...was...he's no longer alive...turned into a corpse in the Texas chamber of death.

Mexico and Mexicans have a right to be outraged.
They begged for his life...a life sentence instead of being execution-homicided and his family terrorised...but alas, Texas basically told them "Butt out on death penalty" [as Indonesia, Obama's best buddy, did to Australia]..."Our sovereignty, our laws, our system".

Mexico, Australia, Britain etc...as usual fight with their hands tied behind their backs, as they abolished their death chambers long ago, and don't execution-homicide American citizens and terrorise their families.

Americans committing crimes in Mexico, Australia, Britain etc will always be kept alive.
Their families can always visit them and aren't terrorised by the state.

Obama promised to take America back to the United Nations.

Yes. Any person familiar with the facts of the cae can tell you that he was 100% certainly guilty. HE got arrested by the then 24 year old cop after the cop was flagged down by the scumbag's original victim. The cop (Gaddie, got rest his soul) cuffed the suspect and put him in the car. But a gun had gone tragically unnoticed and the scumbag proceeded to shoot the officer multiple times in the head, killing him. The car crashed and scumbag escaped but didn't get far. He was caught within a few blocks STILL wearing Gaddie's handcuffs. Scumbag explained that he was 'mad' at the murdered officer since the cop had denied scumbag's "request" to leave his keys with his wife before getting transported to jail.

Edgar Arias Tamayo | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

Glad he's gone. Twenty fucking years later, and justice is finally done.

 

[bianco]

Yes, but; Mexico is now civilised, bulldozed its death chambers.

Capital punishment in Mexico was officially abolished in 2005, having not been used in civil cases since 1937, and in military cases since 1961.

In a gun fight, the State can claim self defence.
In a death chamber, where it turns living human beings into corpses, it cannot.

Slowly but surely US states are seeing the light and abolishing their death chambers.


Of course, with the corruption and fraud in legal systems, there can be no guarantee that all Mexican cartel accused and all others accused, are actually guilty.

All convicteds must be kept alive in case they are innocent.
That is only fair.

Your daffynition of "civilized" is both laughable and wrong.

All that follows from the fact that Mexico has abolished the death penalty is that they are now lacking a death penalty.

It says NOTHING at all about whether (or not) they are "civilized."

And no. It is flatly not the case that all convicted murdering scumbag felons must be kept alive "in case they are innocent." Their guilt (by and large correctly) having already been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Sure, errors do sometimes occur, albeit rarely. It is an imperfect world. That is one pretty fair argument against capital punishment, but no: it is not the "be all and end all" you pretend it is.

It most certainly is to me.
"By and large', 'imperfect world', and 'beyond a reasonable doubt' are in no way good enough when operating a chambers of death legal system.

Posthumous pardons for execution-homicided victims of the state are just simply not good enough.

Death Penalty News: Colorado: 72 years after execution, a posthumous pardon

Police questioned him after they found him wandering. The sheriff at the time said that Arridy mumbled a confession. Martinez doesn't believe it.

"No on else heard it and this was a sheriff who never took notes and had a very big ego," he said.

The idea of the young man recalling specifics like the sheriff claimed was also unlikely because 23-year-old Arridy functioned like a toddler.

"The State classified him as an imbecile," Martinez said.

The warden gave Arridy a toy train.

Most newspaper articles about Arridy showed him holding that train. He was said to have played with it ever waking minute of the day. The warden would buy new batteries for it whenever they ran out.

Arridy told reporters that he wanted to live with the warden for the rest of his life. He did.

Best walked him down the hall to the gas chamber on a Friday in 1939. By all accounts, Arridy had no idea what was going to happen.

Shortly before execution, Joe Arridy gives away the toy train he received from
warden Roy Best to a fellow prisoner.

"All the way up to the time they put the black hood over him in the gas chamber he was smiling," Martinez said. He shakes his head while talking about it. "He did not deserve to be executed as a murderer."


Baaah!

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Yes, but; Mexico is now civilised, bulldozed its death chambers.

Capital punishment in Mexico was officially abolished in 2005, having not been used in civil cases since 1937, and in military cases since 1961.

In a gun fight, the State can claim self defence.
In a death chamber, where it turns living human beings into corpses, it cannot.

Slowly but surely US states are seeing the light and abolishing their death chambers.


Of course, with the corruption and fraud in legal systems, there can be no guarantee that all Mexican cartel accused and all others accused, are actually guilty.

All convicteds must be kept alive in case they are innocent.
That is only fair.

Your daffynition of "civilized" is both laughable and wrong.

All that follows from the fact that Mexico has abolished the death penalty is that they are now lacking a death penalty.

It says NOTHING at all about whether (or not) they are "civilized."

And no. It is flatly not the case that all convicted murdering scumbag felons must be kept alive "in case they are innocent." Their guilt (by and large correctly) having already been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Sure, errors do sometimes occur, albeit rarely. It is an imperfect world. That is one pretty fair argument against capital punishment, but no: it is not the "be all and end all" you pretend it is.

It most certainly is to me.
"By and large', 'imperfect world', and 'beyond a reasonable doubt' are in no way good enough when operating a chambers of death legal system. * * * *

I like it when I get you to admit some things.

But, it was a minor point. We all already knew that you were simply stating your argument on the basis of what you already believe. Zzzz.

Talk about the fallacy of an appeal to ignorance.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

US court won't stop execution of Mexican | News.com.au

US court won't stop execution of Mexican

A US federal appeals court is refusing to halt the execution of a Mexican national convicted of killing a Houston police officer, despite diplomatic pressure and pleas from the Mexican government.

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Not what I'd be doing.


If I were an American citizen I'd be staying out of Mexico...as IMO there will be a lot of angry people there after this.

Like when Indonesia execution-homicides Aussie boys Chan and Sukumaran, the hatred of Indonesia will be white-hot among many people in Australia.

um, ok, let's think this over

HE KILLED AN AMERICAN COP!!!!

What the fuck is wrong with you Liberals???

Seriously? What the fuck is wrong with you?

The crime he was convicted of is well known.
Can you guarantee 100% that he was guilty?

Anyway, it's not about him, and his crime, ...it's about the State's actions/death chambers.

In this case he was a foreign national...was...he's no longer alive...turned into a corpse in the Texas chamber of death.

Mexico and Mexicans have a right to be outraged.
They begged for his life...a life sentence instead of being execution-homicided and his family terrorised...but alas, Texas basically told them "Butt out on death penalty" [as Indonesia, Obama's best buddy, did to Australia]..."Our sovereignty, our laws, our system".

Mexico, Australia, Britain etc...as usual fight with their hands tied behind their backs, as they abolished their death chambers long ago, and don't execution-homicide American citizens and terrorise their families.

Americans committing crimes in Mexico, Australia, Britain etc will always be kept alive.
Their families can always visit them and aren't terrorised by the state.

Obama promised to take America back to the United Nations.

What kind of a world is this where illegal aliens aren't allowed to murder policemen without fear of reprisal?

You and Obama need to do something about this

If Illegal Aliens aren't free to murder our law enforcement officers, are any of us truly free?

 

[bianco]

um, ok, let's think this over

HE KILLED AN AMERICAN COP!!!!

What the fuck is wrong with you Liberals???

Seriously? What the fuck is wrong with you?

The crime he was convicted of is well known.
Can you guarantee 100% that he was guilty?

Anyway, it's not about him, and his crime, ...it's about the State's actions/death chambers.

In this case he was a foreign national...was...he's no longer alive...turned into a corpse in the Texas chamber of death.

Mexico and Mexicans have a right to be outraged.
They begged for his life...a life sentence instead of being execution-homicided and his family terrorised...but alas, Texas basically told them "Butt out on death penalty" [as Indonesia, Obama's best buddy, did to Australia]..."Our sovereignty, our laws, our system".

Mexico, Australia, Britain etc...as usual fight with their hands tied behind their backs, as they abolished their death chambers long ago, and don't execution-homicide American citizens and terrorise their families.

Americans committing crimes in Mexico, Australia, Britain etc will always be kept alive.
Their families can always visit them and aren't terrorised by the state.

Obama promised to take America back to the United Nations.

What kind of a world is this where illegal aliens aren't allowed to murder policemen without fear of reprisal?

You and Obama need to do something about this

If Illegal Aliens aren't free to murder our law enforcement officers, are any of us truly free?

A life sentence without parole, in a maximum security/super maximum security prison, slowly growing older day by day in the small cell, never to taste freedom again...that is the reprisal.

What kind of world is it where the state is allowed to turn living human beings into corpses?

 

[bianco]

Your daffynition of "civilized" is both laughable and wrong.

All that follows from the fact that Mexico has abolished the death penalty is that they are now lacking a death penalty.

It says NOTHING at all about whether (or not) they are "civilized."

And no. It is flatly not the case that all convicted murdering scumbag felons must be kept alive "in case they are innocent." Their guilt (by and large correctly) having already been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Sure, errors do sometimes occur, albeit rarely. It is an imperfect world. That is one pretty fair argument against capital punishment, but no: it is not the "be all and end all" you pretend it is.

It most certainly is to me.
"By and large', 'imperfect world', and 'beyond a reasonable doubt' are in no way good enough when operating a chambers of death legal system. * * * *

I like it when I get you to admit some things.

But, it was a minor point. We all already knew that you were simply stating your argument on the basis of what you already believe. Zzzz.

Talk about the fallacy of an appeal to ignorance.

You on the other hand are quite happy to have the state run a death penalty system, and [you] subscribe to;
"It doesn't matter if a few slip thru the cracks [innocent people get killed by the state] as long as 'murdering scumbag felons' are put to death".

You're not the first person who thinks like that I've encountered in American forums.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

It most certainly is to me.
"By and large', 'imperfect world', and 'beyond a reasonable doubt' are in no way good enough when operating a chambers of death legal system. * * * *

I like it when I get you to admit some things.

But, it was a minor point. We all already knew that you were simply stating your argument on the basis of what you already believe. Zzzz.

Talk about the fallacy of an appeal to ignorance.

You on the other hand are quite happy to have the state run a death penalty system, and [you] subscribe to;
"It doesn't matter if a few slip thru the cracks [innocent people get killed by the state] as long as 'murdering scumbag felons' are put to death".

You're not the first person who thinks like that I've encountered in American forums.

Your massive ignorance is showing. I happen NOT to be a significant proponent of the death penalty. It's just that, unlike you, I DO see it as a necessary tool from time to time. In short, you are simply and stubbornly unrealistic. I'm not.

Putting people in a fucking jail cell (prison) for years on end is a pretty massive display of state power, too. Yet, based on an imperfect legal system run by mere error-ridden human beings, we put lots of folks behind bars, too. And the standard? Proof not beyond ALL doubt because there is no such thing as a rule. But based on proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Yes, mistakes are sometimes made. That is not and can not possibly be a reason to refrain from trying our best to make our legal system closer to perfect but relying on it, warts and all, in the meanwhile.

You are unable it appears to couch your argument on any basis OTHER than that YOU happen to oppose the death penalty. You suck as a propnent of your position.

 

[bianco]

You are unable it appears to couch your argument on any basis OTHER than that YOU happen to oppose the death penalty.

Appears, to you, that is.

Here are some of the victims of the system you're quite happy to support, which includes death chambers.
I, and a whole lot of other people/organisations, say no death chambers ever.
You say death chambers must be used.
It's that simple.
You need a stint on death row as an innocent person, it might change your mind, show you the folly of your policy.


Innocence Blog: Three Certificates of Actual Innocence Issued in Illinois

Three Certificates of Actual Innocence Issued in Illinois
Posted: January 27, 2014 4:30 pm


(Photo: Jennifer Linzer, Center on Wrongful Convictions)

Three people who were convicted of separate murder charges after falsely confessing to crimes they did not commit in Cook County were granted certificates of innocence last Thursday in back-to-back hearings.
The Chicago Tribune reported that the declarations from Criminal Courts Judge Paul Biebel for Daniel Taylor, Deon Patrick and Nicole Harris will pave the way for compensation from the state.

Taylor and Patrick were convicted of a 1992 double murder and spent nearly two decades behind bars. Harris was convicted of the 2005 death of her four-year-old son and spent nearly eight years in prison. All three convictions relied solely on false confessions that were coerced from law enforcement in lengthy and arduous interrogations.

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"Murderers"...you're system sees them at risk of being put to death by the state.
My "All convicteds must be kept alive in case they're innocent" policy does not.

 

[bianco]

Here's the Texas legal system you love so much, the one that uses chambers of death "to rid society of evil" ;

Innocence Blog: Texas Court of Criminal Appeals Denies DNA Testing in Death Row Case

Texas Court of Criminal Appeals Denies DNA Testing in Death Row Case
Posted: February 10, 2014 2:55 pm

More than a year after the Innocence Project filed a motion on behalf of Texas death-row inmate Larry Swearingen, seeking DNA testing of crime scene evidence that could support his longstanding claims of innocence, the Court of Criminal Appeals ruled that he is not entitled to DNA testing.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

You are unable it appears to couch your argument on any basis OTHER than that YOU happen to oppose the death penalty.

Appears, to you, that is.

Here are some of the victims of the system you're quite happy to support, which includes death chambers.
I, and a whole lot of other people/organisations, say no death chambers ever.
You say death chambers must be used.
It's that simple.
You need a stint on death row as an innocent person, it might change your mind, show you the folly of your policy.


Innocence Blog: Three Certificates of Actual Innocence Issued in Illinois

Three Certificates of Actual Innocence Issued in Illinois
Posted: January 27, 2014 4:30 pm


(Photo: Jennifer Linzer, Center on Wrongful Convictions)

Three people who were convicted of separate murder charges after falsely confessing to crimes they did not commit in Cook County were granted certificates of innocence last Thursday in back-to-back hearings.
The Chicago Tribune reported that the declarations from Criminal Courts Judge Paul Biebel for Daniel Taylor, Deon Patrick and Nicole Harris will pave the way for compensation from the state.

Taylor and Patrick were convicted of a 1992 double murder and spent nearly two decades behind bars. Harris was convicted of the 2005 death of her four-year-old son and spent nearly eight years in prison. All three convictions relied solely on false confessions that were coerced from law enforcement in lengthy and arduous interrogations.

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"Murderers"...you're system sees them at risk of being put to death by the state.
My "All convicteds must be kept alive in case they're innocent" policy does not.

You just keep doing it and remain to stubbornly ignorant blind plodding and dull-witted to even see as much.

 

[bianco]

You are unable it appears to couch your argument on any basis OTHER than that YOU happen to oppose the death penalty.

Appears, to you, that is.

Here are some of the victims of the system you're quite happy to support, which includes death chambers.
I, and a whole lot of other people/organisations, say no death chambers ever.
You say death chambers must be used.
It's that simple.
You need a stint on death row as an innocent person, it might change your mind, show you the folly of your policy.


Innocence Blog: Three Certificates of Actual Innocence Issued in Illinois

Three Certificates of Actual Innocence Issued in Illinois
Posted: January 27, 2014 4:30 pm


(Photo: Jennifer Linzer, Center on Wrongful Convictions)

Three people who were convicted of separate murder charges after falsely confessing to crimes they did not commit in Cook County were granted certificates of innocence last Thursday in back-to-back hearings.
The Chicago Tribune reported that the declarations from Criminal Courts Judge Paul Biebel for Daniel Taylor, Deon Patrick and Nicole Harris will pave the way for compensation from the state.

Taylor and Patrick were convicted of a 1992 double murder and spent nearly two decades behind bars. Harris was convicted of the 2005 death of her four-year-old son and spent nearly eight years in prison. All three convictions relied solely on false confessions that were coerced from law enforcement in lengthy and arduous interrogations.

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"Murderers"...you're system sees them at risk of being put to death by the state.
My "All convicteds must be kept alive in case they're innocent" policy does not.

You just keep doing it and remain to stubbornly ignorant blind plodding and dull-witted to even see as much.

Or is that you looking in the mirror?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Appears, to you, that is.

Here are some of the victims of the system you're quite happy to support, which includes death chambers.
I, and a whole lot of other people/organisations, say no death chambers ever.
You say death chambers must be used.
It's that simple.
You need a stint on death row as an innocent person, it might change your mind, show you the folly of your policy.


Innocence Blog: Three Certificates of Actual Innocence Issued in Illinois

Three Certificates of Actual Innocence Issued in Illinois
Posted: January 27, 2014 4:30 pm


(Photo: Jennifer Linzer, Center on Wrongful Convictions)

Three people who were convicted of separate murder charges after falsely confessing to crimes they did not commit in Cook County were granted certificates of innocence last Thursday in back-to-back hearings.
The Chicago Tribune reported that the declarations from Criminal Courts Judge Paul Biebel for Daniel Taylor, Deon Patrick and Nicole Harris will pave the way for compensation from the state.

Taylor and Patrick were convicted of a 1992 double murder and spent nearly two decades behind bars. Harris was convicted of the 2005 death of her four-year-old son and spent nearly eight years in prison. All three convictions relied solely on false confessions that were coerced from law enforcement in lengthy and arduous interrogations.

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"Murderers"...you're system sees them at risk of being put to death by the state.
My "All convicteds must be kept alive in case they're innocent" policy does not.

You just keep doing it and remain to stubbornly ignorant blind plodding and dull-witted to even see as much.

Or is that you looking in the mirror?

No. It's clearly you.

You keep telling us that YOU think a death penalty is uncivilized. You keep repeating the mantra that no justice system is perfect and that, consequently, no justice system should permit the state to take a human life.

But you decline to address the fact that the same imperfect (human crafted and run) justice system CAN and does take away peoples' liberty (often for years on years) based on the very same prospects of human error.

Clearly, then, you are contending that taking life is fundamentally different -- which is a bit of a tautology. But let's take the premise as a given. So, ok:

A mistaken verdict can be corrected and a person who has been denied 15 or 20 years of liberty can be set free once an error has been uncovered and properly addressed -- unless the inmate has died while in prison before the error is corrected. And that's kind of the point. According to the "logic" you offer, since that unpalatable outcome is a possibility, we also should not be incarcerating people on the basis of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt."

Address that. If you agree that folks CAN be imprisoned after a fair (albeit not necessarily perfect) trial, even if they might die in prison before a mistake is uncovered, then HOW exactly is the death penalty so terribly different?

Take your time.