On Ukraine/Israel Funding Bill Immigration Policy Should Be Included!

[kyzr]

It's not a few billion, you don't know what you are saying.

And what does any of that have to do with Ukraine funding except to hold it hostage?

1. $11b is a few billion, dumbass. Interest on the Debt will be over a $trillion soon.
2. Holding it hostage until the border is sealed is the plan.
3. What shit-hole country are you from?

 

[AntonToo]

1. $11b is a few billion, dumbass.

Sure, sure, we'll call 11 billions as "a few" and equally call the billions to support Ukranians as "a few".

After all, "a few" can be just about anything.

 

[AntonToo]

2. Holding it hostage until the border is sealed is the plan.

Thats right terrorists, OWN IT.

We'll see how it goes for you.

 

[AntonToo]

You type words with no proof. The graphs below prove you are wrong.

View attachment 878856

Interest Costs on the National Debt Projected to Nearly Triple over the Next Decade

The rising national debt carries substantial costs today and poses an even greater toll on America’s future.

www.pgpf.org

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Dumbass your graph shows that current interest rate maintanance is LOWER than it was 3 years ago.

So yes absolutely we can afford it for now.

The rest is a long term PROJECTION with assumption that absolutely nothing changes and no corresponding REVENUES graph to ACTUALLY show affordability.

 

[Kondor3]

The Senate was unable this week to get a war aid bill passed for the countries of Ukraine and Israel, the Senate Republicans blocked the bill by voting against it on a procedural vote. Overall, both the Democrats and the Republicans are acting extremely irresponsible about this bill by not seeing the other party's legitimate point of view. The Democrats are behaving irresponsible by not seeing the Republican's point of view in saying the Federal government is all worried about the violation of Ukraine's border treating it like a five-alarm fire but where is the same concern about the violation of America's Southern borders with hundreds if not thousands of people illegally crossing this border a day. The Republicans are behaving irresponsibly because they are not seeing the Democrats perspective which is okay Republicans the southern border is broken and so you want to improve or fix it okay Republicans understand that you are now talking about the illegal or undocumented immigration problem this problem that has been plaguing America for the last thirty-five years this mega-problem Republicans is a one where you Republicans have wants and we Democrats have wants so if you want to pass legislation addressing and improving this problem you need to compromise on the terms, that is, if you want some of your terms you got give us some of our terms, it is unreasonable that you treat Ukraine funding as this magic wand where if you agree to such then you get to advance your side of the immigration issue and forget our side of the issue!

The ground rules here that the Republicans need to accept is that the immigration problem is so gargantuan that you're not going to solve it with this current legislation effort the best that these negotiations can likely produce is too bring the flow of people illegally immigrating into American back from the present crisis level! From what has been reported in the media the Senate negotiators are largely in agreement that the eligibility standard for people applying for the asylum program from a practical standpoint is a joke most people seeking to enter America through this program are just seeking a better life they are not in some unique danger of being subject to violence and the media reports the negotiators have agreed to some policies that will ameliorate this subversion of the amnesty program. The media reports that the state of negotiations for other issues on the immigration problem is at a logjam! The following is some fair policy proposals.

Okay, the Federal government is not going to be able to hold all immigrants applying to enter the country through the asylum program there is just too many it would be too costly and there is a Court settlement that happened many years ago where the federal government agreed to not hold families longer than twenty days which is not long enough for asylum seekers because their case won't he heard that quickly. There has been floated by the Republican side to hold asylum seekers at army bases; that is an idea that provides a genesis for some good policy on the issue. How about requiring holding "individual" adult asylum seekers at these bases and having enough asylum application hearing officers holding hearings at "these bases" so that applications can be heard within three months from when the asylum seeker enters the facility. For those individual asylum seekers that number more than the slots open at all these facilities the federal government gets to continue the current process where they give the immigrant a subpoena to appear at a hearing in the future to adjudicate his or her application and just release him or her into a community. So that these people at these facilities don't become victims of Federal government dysfunctional bureaucracy make the policy that if an immigrant at one of these facilities does not have his or her asylum hearing concluded by seven months from when that person enters the facility that person must be released from that facility, that is, treated like the no space asylum seekers be given a subpoena to appear at a future hearing and released. And so that pro-illegal immigration forces in our society and government don't deliberately malfunction this holding system that process asylum applicants to cause people to be released on this time condition policy Congress should make part of the policy that once the number of immigrants released from these facilities numbers over fifty people, nationally, for three months the Federal Government is restricted in the number of asylum applications it can permit to be pursued it is restricted for each month to the number of asylum application processed across the system the prior month so if the system is in this failing mode let us say there was twenty-five thousand asylum applications processed last month that is the hearing officers across the system heard the case and disposed of it or the applicant withdrew his or her application and went back to their home country well for the current month for immigrants appearing at the border seeking to apply for asylum the federal authorities would only be allowed to allow twenty-five thousand of such people make such an application after that such immigrants would have to be deported immediately because no asylum application is allowed for them.


Republicans need to stop demanding in the negotiations that immigrants appearing at our border seeking asylum having applied for asylum in other stable countries they passed through to get to America's border; this is just a dumb worthless idea because in these other countries the Republican Congresspeople want the immigrant to apply for asylum at these countries could not possibly grant asylum to this group of people because the numbers are just two large we have at least one million appearing at our border annually seeking to emigrate to America, these countries cannot absorb such numbers of people into their economy. What both the Republicans and the Democrats need to agree with is that the country of Mexico is a problem here they are not acting like a good neighboring country here allowing the numbers of people to pass through their country and seek to illegally emigrate into the United States; Congress and the President need to get serious with the government of Mexico over this matter and lay down some tough consequences these pass through numbers either go way down or Mexico is going to face extremely painful economic consequences, the compromise here should give the President power to enact tariffs on Mexico exports to get compliance here and on the flip side the compromise should give yearly for the indefinite future the President a significant size fund for the American government to pay a sizable portion of the tab like around a third that the Mexico government has to incur to largely stop and deal with this illegal immigration flow coming up from south of Mexico. The Mexican government should not bear any concern that in shutting down their southern border to illegal emigration they are blocking immigrants from exercising legitimate asylum claims because people from other countries don't have to appear at America's border to exercise an asylum claim they can contact the Secretary of Homeland Security and ask for immigration parole based on humanitarian grounds, there is a clear program for legitimate asylum seekers. One last thing with the Mexican government they need to be persuaded that they have to grow a conscience on this issue if they are going to allow a hundred plus thousand people a year pass through their country and appear at America's border claiming a legitimate case for asylum they are going to have to help America process such claims in so far as housing a lot of these applicants. The compromise should require the country of Mexico to house a large portion of the asylum seekers seeking asylum in America these applicants need to be made to wait in Mexico for their adjudication hearing as opposed to having them released into America where they don't show up for their hearing and just become an illegal immigrant in America; again, the American government has to pick-up a large portion of the tab that the Mexican government would occur with implementing this policy.


The Democrats should acknowledge that the Biden Administration has abused the immigration parole system. Grants of large scale immigration parole for particular nations has historically been reserved for things like nation's at war where the nation's population has a credible fear of being killed in the violence or from natural disasters where the natural disaster has caused such destruction that a large portion of the nation's population has their life or health in real danger from the occurrence.
The example that embodies this Biden abuse is the policy of granting immigration parole to thirty-thousand people per month from four specific countries; Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela. What is going on here is just an end run around the essence of America's immigration system which is that you have to get a visa to come to America and if you don't there is a few exceptions but otherwise you get deported. The Biden Administration's large scale grant of immigration parole here is just a mechanism to spare the vast majority of people from these four countries in this program from facing America's deportation system which they would experience without this program. The compromise should shut down this program and ban any program like it for five year; for the people already granted parole through this program allow them to renew their parole for a total of six years then they must leave America unless they qualify for another immigration program.

These Republicans that are complaining about America granting legal status to Ukrainian refugees are a disgrace; these people are fleeing a war where the aggressor, Vladimir Putin and his army, has made it crystal clear through aerial bombardment that he is trying to terrorize the Ukrainian civilian population so they will sue for peace and allow him to steal Ukrainian land his army now occupies! Long held American values call for helping such refugees! If the compromise bans large scale national immigration parole for five years all such Ukrainians and Afghanis allowed into the country through such programs should be provided legal status going forward through the Temporary Protected Status program that is the historical program used to give legal status to war refugees.

If all of the aforementioned proposals are adopted in the compromise, the Democrats would be going a long way in compromising on this overall subject of the Immigration Problem in America. The Republicans should reciprocate and give the Democrats one of their big wants on this issue; what's called for is giving them their DACA want. DACA stands for Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals it refers to children who were brought to America illegally by their parents who came here illegally and such children are now adults and do not have legal status and are unfamiliar with their birth countries some don't speak their native language and the equities overwhelmingly call for not deporting them back to their birth countries. The Republicans should agree to give anyone approved into the existing DACA program a green card where they can immediately apply for citizenship if they wish. This is a just policy move and one most Americans agree with!


One final point, in the public discussion on immigration it is often spoken about members of Congress who are for Open Borders like that is a defensible or legitimate policy position. It isn't a defensible or legitimate policy, people that hold such policy views are egregiously short in patriotism and unequivocally don't deserve to be a member of Congress, hold a seat on the Supreme Court, hold the office of President or any significant political leadership role in America. Open Borders means death to the ethnic and cultural melting pot character of America and the abundant fruit that brings America and Open Borders mean a significant degradation of the quality of life for ordinary Americans as the significantly higher population that such policy brings impedes and impairs movement by Americans and taxes its resources just to mention some of the reasons why an Open Borders is the most extreme betrayal policy!

No foreign military aid until the money and policy-changes are in-place to secure our own southern border.

I am a HUGE supporter of both Israel AND Ukraine.

But I am also a HUGE supporter of the United States - my own country - and that, more than any other on earth.

I will be happy to send a great deal more aid to both Israel and Ukraine.

But I think the Republicans are absolutely correct to hold the Biden Administration's foreign aid hostage to our OWN needs.

If the Democrats are so goddamned concerned about Israel and Ukraine...

Then give the Republicans what they want...

Concede... fold... they win this one...

If you refuse, then failures in Israel and Ukraine will be on you, because of your political cowardice...

I am a registered Democrat in northeastern Illinois.

I am watching you Democrats... including my own Congress-critter and Senators, as well as the POTUS et al.

I am watching you closely and will case my vote accordingly in November 2024.

Decide.

 

[TheParser]

*** The biggest scandal of 2023 was the tens of thousands of unvetted migrants allowed into the States.

*** Their whereabouts are not even known in most cases.

*** If just one of them commits a horrific crime of terror, that fact will be immediately covered up by the mainstream media.

*** But if the truth somehow gets out, that will be the end of the Democratic administration. President Biden and Vice President Harris would have to immediately resign.

 

[AntonToo]

No foreign military aid until the money and policy-changes are in-place to secure our own southern border.

I am a HUGE supporter of both Israel AND Ukraine.

But I am also a HUGE supporter of the United States - my own country - and that, more than any other on earth.

How about a fuck you?

You are assuming that you are getting your wall if only you take hostage a very popular policy, you yourself support...but can you take a fuck you? Where your game of chicken results in you getting NOTHING?

Democrats don't have to play along, they can just rightfully blame Republicans for back stabbing Ukrane by taking our millitary aid hostage to push along their unpopular agenda.

 

[kyzr]

Dumbass your graph shows that current interest rate maintenance is LOWER than it was 3 years ago.

So yes absolutely we can afford it for now.

The rest is a PROJECTION with assumption that absolutely nothing changes and no corresponding REVENUES graph to ACTUALLY show affordability.

1. We are about to start 2024 dumbass.
2. The interest on the Debt is about to explode upward.
3. We can't afford any new borrowing.
4. The Budget Deficit is still too high, we need to cut spending now.
5. Let the EU pony up a few billion to get to where the US is, its the EU's back yard.

 

[AntonToo]

1. We are about to start 2024 dumbass.
2. The interest on the Debt is about to explode upward.
3. We can't afford any new borrowing.

We can in fact afford interest rate in short term and that remains true for medium term.

Take your explosive hyperbole and shove it you know where.

Niether the wall, nor aid to Ukraine are big ticket items in our long term debt and interest problems.

 

[Kondor3]

How about a fuck you?

You are assuming that you are getting your wall if only you take a very popular policy, you yourself support as hostage...but can you take a fuck you, where your game of chicken results in you getting NOTHING?

Democrats don't have to play along, they can just rightfully blame Republicans for back stabbing Ukrane.

Then Israel will not get the replacement ammunition and arms that it needs.

Then Ukraine is doomed and Russia will overrun that bulwark of freedom in Eastern Europe.

What is more important to you? Israel and Ukraine, or the millions of Illegal Aliens swamping our southern border.=?

You are already perceived as favoring the plague of Illegal Aliens now invading the United States, and are already in great political danger.

You have a clear path to replenishing arms and munitions to Israel and Ukraine... get the Southern border under control... now.

Fail to TAKE that clear path and all the man-splain'ing in the world isn't going to do you the slightest bit of good in November 2024.

I do not think you appreciate the very grave political danger that you face presently related to the southern border and Illegal immigration.

Ignore it - and stupidly throw F-Bombs at people who disagree with your related policies - and you will suffer an overwhelming defeat.

Put your ego and your touchy-feely safe-space aside and...

Decide.

 

[AntonToo]

Then Israel will not get the replacement ammunition and arms that it needs.

Then Ukraine is doomed and Russia will overrun that bulwark of freedom in Eastern Europe.

Sounds like you should support assistance to both instead of obstructing it with unrelated agenda.

 

[AntonToo]

Put your ego and your touchy-feely safe-space aside and...

Decide.

It's not about ego, it's about not negotiating with terrorists who are willing to blow up their own interests to get their way.

You know what those terrists will do if you just wave the white flag and give them everything they want? They'll just keep taking more hostages.

You fools really want to blow yourself up by screwing with Israel and Ukraine aid? Go ahead.

 

[Kondor3]

Sounds like you should support assistance to both instead of obstructing it with unrelated agenda.

I support Israel.

I support Ukraine.

I support the United States.

That last one is vastly more important to me.

And securing our southern border is part of that support.

The Republicans have found a marvelous way of achieving that happy outcome.

They have you over a barrel.

Roll with it... give them what they want in this instance... and move on to other things.

The plague of locusts overrunning our southern border are not worth all this fuss on your part.

 

[konradv]

No foreign military aid until the money and policy-changes are in-place to secure our own southern border.

I am a HUGE supporter of both Israel AND Ukraine.

But I am also a HUGE supporter of the United States - my own country - and that, more than any other on earth.

I will be happy to send a great deal more aid to both Israel and Ukraine.

But I think the Republicans are absolutely correct to hold the Biden Administration's foreign aid hostage to our OWN needs.

If the Democrats are so goddamned concerned about Israel and Ukraine...

Then give the Republicans what they want...

Concede... fold... they win this one...

If you refuse, then failures in Israel and Ukraine will be on you, because of your political cowardice...

I am a registered Democrat in northeastern Illinois.

I am watching you Democrats... including my own Congress-critter and Senators, as well as the POTUS et al.

I am watching you closely and will case my vote accordingly in November 2024.

Decide.

It’s tough to make any sort of deal with people that think ‘compromise’ is a dirty word.

 

[Edgetho]

The Senate was unable this week to get a war aid bill passed for the countries of Ukraine and Israel, the Senate Republicans blocked the bill by voting against it on a procedural vote. Overall, both the Democrats and the Republicans are acting extremely irresponsible about this bill by not seeing the other party's legitimate point of view. The Democrats are behaving irresponsible by not seeing the Republican's point of view in saying the Federal government is all worried about the violation of Ukraine's border treating it like a five-alarm fire but where is the same concern about the violation of America's Southern borders with hundreds if not thousands of people illegally crossing this border a day. The Republicans are behaving irresponsibly because they are not seeing the Democrats perspective which is okay Republicans the southern border is broken and so you want to improve or fix it okay Republicans understand that you are now talking about the illegal or undocumented immigration problem this problem that has been plaguing America for the last thirty-five years this mega-problem Republicans is a one where you Republicans have wants and we Democrats have wants so if you want to pass legislation addressing and improving this problem you need to compromise on the terms, that is, if you want some of your terms you got give us some of our terms, it is unreasonable that you treat Ukraine funding as this magic wand where if you agree to such then you get to advance your side of the immigration issue and forget our side of the issue!

The ground rules here that the Republicans need to accept is that the immigration problem is so gargantuan that you're not going to solve it with this current legislation effort the best that these negotiations can likely produce is too bring the flow of people illegally immigrating into American back from the present crisis level! From what has been reported in the media the Senate negotiators are largely in agreement that the eligibility standard for people applying for the asylum program from a practical standpoint is a joke most people seeking to enter America through this program are just seeking a better life they are not in some unique danger of being subject to violence and the media reports the negotiators have agreed to some policies that will ameliorate this subversion of the amnesty program. The media reports that the state of negotiations for other issues on the immigration problem is at a logjam! The following is some fair policy proposals.

Okay, the Federal government is not going to be able to hold all immigrants applying to enter the country through the asylum program there is just too many it would be too costly and there is a Court settlement that happened many years ago where the federal government agreed to not hold families longer than twenty days which is not long enough for asylum seekers because their case won't he heard that quickly. There has been floated by the Republican side to hold asylum seekers at army bases; that is an idea that provides a genesis for some good policy on the issue. How about requiring holding "individual" adult asylum seekers at these bases and having enough asylum application hearing officers holding hearings at "these bases" so that applications can be heard within three months from when the asylum seeker enters the facility. For those individual asylum seekers that number more than the slots open at all these facilities the federal government gets to continue the current process where they give the immigrant a subpoena to appear at a hearing in the future to adjudicate his or her application and just release him or her into a community. So that these people at these facilities don't become victims of Federal government dysfunctional bureaucracy make the policy that if an immigrant at one of these facilities does not have his or her asylum hearing concluded by seven months from when that person enters the facility that person must be released from that facility, that is, treated like the no space asylum seekers be given a subpoena to appear at a future hearing and released. And so that pro-illegal immigration forces in our society and government don't deliberately malfunction this holding system that process asylum applicants to cause people to be released on this time condition policy Congress should make part of the policy that once the number of immigrants released from these facilities numbers over fifty people, nationally, for three months the Federal Government is restricted in the number of asylum applications it can permit to be pursued it is restricted for each month to the number of asylum application processed across the system the prior month so if the system is in this failing mode let us say there was twenty-five thousand asylum applications processed last month that is the hearing officers across the system heard the case and disposed of it or the applicant withdrew his or her application and went back to their home country well for the current month for immigrants appearing at the border seeking to apply for asylum the federal authorities would only be allowed to allow twenty-five thousand of such people make such an application after that such immigrants would have to be deported immediately because no asylum application is allowed for them.


Republicans need to stop demanding in the negotiations that immigrants appearing at our border seeking asylum having applied for asylum in other stable countries they passed through to get to America's border; this is just a dumb worthless idea because in these other countries the Republican Congresspeople want the immigrant to apply for asylum at these countries could not possibly grant asylum to this group of people because the numbers are just two large we have at least one million appearing at our border annually seeking to emigrate to America, these countries cannot absorb such numbers of people into their economy. What both the Republicans and the Democrats need to agree with is that the country of Mexico is a problem here they are not acting like a good neighboring country here allowing the numbers of people to pass through their country and seek to illegally emigrate into the United States; Congress and the President need to get serious with the government of Mexico over this matter and lay down some tough consequences these pass through numbers either go way down or Mexico is going to face extremely painful economic consequences, the compromise here should give the President power to enact tariffs on Mexico exports to get compliance here and on the flip side the compromise should give yearly for the indefinite future the President a significant size fund for the American government to pay a sizable portion of the tab like around a third that the Mexico government has to incur to largely stop and deal with this illegal immigration flow coming up from south of Mexico. The Mexican government should not bear any concern that in shutting down their southern border to illegal emigration they are blocking immigrants from exercising legitimate asylum claims because people from other countries don't have to appear at America's border to exercise an asylum claim they can contact the Secretary of Homeland Security and ask for immigration parole based on humanitarian grounds, there is a clear program for legitimate asylum seekers. One last thing with the Mexican government they need to be persuaded that they have to grow a conscience on this issue if they are going to allow a hundred plus thousand people a year pass through their country and appear at America's border claiming a legitimate case for asylum they are going to have to help America process such claims in so far as housing a lot of these applicants. The compromise should require the country of Mexico to house a large portion of the asylum seekers seeking asylum in America these applicants need to be made to wait in Mexico for their adjudication hearing as opposed to having them released into America where they don't show up for their hearing and just become an illegal immigrant in America; again, the American government has to pick-up a large portion of the tab that the Mexican government would occur with implementing this policy.


The Democrats should acknowledge that the Biden Administration has abused the immigration parole system. Grants of large scale immigration parole for particular nations has historically been reserved for things like nation's at war where the nation's population has a credible fear of being killed in the violence or from natural disasters where the natural disaster has caused such destruction that a large portion of the nation's population has their life or health in real danger from the occurrence.
The example that embodies this Biden abuse is the policy of granting immigration parole to thirty-thousand people per month from four specific countries; Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela. What is going on here is just an end run around the essence of America's immigration system which is that you have to get a visa to come to America and if you don't there is a few exceptions but otherwise you get deported. The Biden Administration's large scale grant of immigration parole here is just a mechanism to spare the vast majority of people from these four countries in this program from facing America's deportation system which they would experience without this program. The compromise should shut down this program and ban any program like it for five year; for the people already granted parole through this program allow them to renew their parole for a total of six years then they must leave America unless they qualify for another immigration program.

These Republicans that are complaining about America granting legal status to Ukrainian refugees are a disgrace; these people are fleeing a war where the aggressor, Vladimir Putin and his army, has made it crystal clear through aerial bombardment that he is trying to terrorize the Ukrainian civilian population so they will sue for peace and allow him to steal Ukrainian land his army now occupies! Long held American values call for helping such refugees! If the compromise bans large scale national immigration parole for five years all such Ukrainians and Afghanis allowed into the country through such programs should be provided legal status going forward through the Temporary Protected Status program that is the historical program used to give legal status to war refugees.

If all of the aforementioned proposals are adopted in the compromise, the Democrats would be going a long way in compromising on this overall subject of the Immigration Problem in America. The Republicans should reciprocate and give the Democrats one of their big wants on this issue; what's called for is giving them their DACA want. DACA stands for Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals it refers to children who were brought to America illegally by their parents who came here illegally and such children are now adults and do not have legal status and are unfamiliar with their birth countries some don't speak their native language and the equities overwhelmingly call for not deporting them back to their birth countries. The Republicans should agree to give anyone approved into the existing DACA program a green card where they can immediately apply for citizenship if they wish. This is a just policy move and one most Americans agree with!


One final point, in the public discussion on immigration it is often spoken about members of Congress who are for Open Borders like that is a defensible or legitimate policy position. It isn't a defensible or legitimate policy, people that hold such policy views are egregiously short in patriotism and unequivocally don't deserve to be a member of Congress, hold a seat on the Supreme Court, hold the office of President or any significant political leadership role in America. Open Borders means death to the ethnic and cultural melting pot character of America and the abundant fruit that brings America and Open Borders mean a significant degradation of the quality of life for ordinary Americans as the significantly higher population that such policy brings impedes and impairs movement by Americans and taxes its resources just to mention some of the reasons why an Open Borders is the most extreme betrayal policy!

tl;dr

Make your point without resorting to writing a Russian novel.

Besides, you are no Tolstoy

Thank you

 

[kyzr]

We can in fact afford interest rate in short term and that remains true for medium term.

Take your explosive hyperbole and shove it you know where.

Neither the wall, nor aid to Ukraine are big ticket items in our long term debt and interest problems.

1. If Biden seals the border then we can talk about short-term aid to Israel & Ukraine, but NOT before the border is sealed.

2. Ukraine needs to know that we will NOT support a long term war. We need a strategic option to end the war now, and that means Ukraine loses more territory, but gains entry into NATO and long term security.

3. The EU needs to put up at least as much funding as the US has.

 

[konradv]

1. If Biden seals the border then we can talk about short-term aid to Israel & Ukraine, but NOT before the border is sealed.

2. Ukraine needs to know that we will NOT support a long term war. We need a strategic option to end the war now, and that means Ukraine loses more territory, but gains entry into NATO and long term security.

3. The EU needs to put up at least as much funding as the US has.

Biden should not be dictated to by the minority.

 

[AntonToo]

1. If Biden seals the border then we can talk about short-term aid to Israel & Ukraine, but NOT before the border is sealed.

...where are you going to get a plug big enough to completely seal the entire border of United States of America in short term?

Do you have any fucking clue what you are saying? How about you get down to planet earth with your rhetoric?

 

[Moonglow]

No foreign military aid until the money and policy-changes are in-place to secure our own southern border.

I am a HUGE supporter of both Israel AND Ukraine.

But I am also a HUGE supporter of the United States - my own country - and that, more than any other on earth.

I will be happy to send a great deal more aid to both Israel and Ukraine.

But I think the Republicans are absolutely correct to hold the Biden Administration's foreign aid hostage to our OWN needs.

If the Democrats are so goddamned concerned about Israel and Ukraine...

Then give the Republicans what they want...

Concede... fold... they win this one...

If you refuse, then failures in Israel and Ukraine will be on you, because of your political cowardice...

I am a registered Democrat in northeastern Illinois.

I am watching you Democrats... including my own Congress-critter and Senators, as well as the POTUS et al.

I am watching you closely and will case my vote accordingly in November 2024.

Decide.

Ukraine was just given 300 million after they passed the Defense Bill last week...Germany is putting up 400 million and the Netherlands is going to give them 18 F-16 jets.

 

[Moonglow]

This includes the drawdown of security assistance from DoD inventories valued at up to $125 million to meet Ukraine's immediate battlefield needs, as well as $300 million in Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) funds to strengthen Ukraine's air defenses over the long term.Nov 3, 2023

Biden Administration Announces New Security Assistance for ...​