Majority of debtors to US hospitals now people with health insurance

[Lisa558]

Now this problem pre-existed Obamacare but from the beginning it was noted that many who got insurance through Obamacare couldn't afford to use it because of the high deductibles and co-pays.

It was actually WORSE than no insurance at all! IME, the cash price for non-insured for PT was $99 a session, and those of use with crappy Obamacare had to pay $130 a session. When I told the office person that I’ll just go to the non-insured price, she actually said “No. You’ve already admitted you have Obamacare and you have to use it.”

So, for 10 sessions I paid $1300, or $300 more than if I didn’t have Ocare ar all. And that was in ADDITION to the $800 a month in premiums.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Try telling that to advocates of socialized medicine...you'll hit a wall of ignorance.

exactly what this thread is Tommy [pretty much all your threads], it's so bad in fact that I am inclined to believe scarecrows share your DNA.

The NHS is a big insurance scheme. Some people get "free" care but so what ?

Everybody should be able to get the medical care they need. For their own good and for the good of society.

 

[Lisa558]

Are you suggesting that immigrants are denied healthcare ?

He’s talking about illegal aliens….not law-abiding immigrants.

 

[Lisa558]

pknopp

No, it is NOT fake news. I had to pay MORE for my PT sessions with Obamacare than if I had no insurance at all, and they forced me to use it.

 

[sparky]

Dig a bit, and you'll find who owns most of the ER's in America , why they operate as they do , why the rich live, poor die here>>>

Doctor fired from ER warns about effect of for-profit firms on ...​

NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › health › health-care › doctor...



Mar 28, 2022 — Two of the largest, according to their websites and news releases, are Envision Healthcare, owned by KKR, and TeamHealth, of the Blackstone ...

Here's what happens when a for-profit company takes over ...​

The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › commentisfree › oct



Oct 25, 2023 — It's a for-profit corporation, owned in part by a private equity firm. Private equity-backed CMGs now operate a quarter of all ERs in the US.

Shock Treatment in the Emergency Room​

The American Prospect
https://prospect.org › health › 2023-07-29-shock-treat...



Jul 29, 2023 — The collapsing entity is American Physician Partners, a private equity–owned operator of about 135 hospital emergency rooms and hospital-owned ...

The surprising reason why you aren't guaranteed to see a ...​

CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com › health › er-doctors-khn-partner



Feb 17, 2023 — Robert McNamara, a founder of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine and chair of emergency medicine at Temple University. “It's a ...

ER, Emergency Room, Urgent Care, Cypress, TX​

America's ER
https://americaser.com › Locations



ROB ZESUT, D.O. | MEDICAL DIRECTOR. Dr. Zesut has been serving the local community for over ten years now. Having trained at Memorial Hermann Trauma Center in ...

Envision Healthcare Infiltrated America's ERs. Now It's ...​

Forbes
https://www.forbes.com › elliekincaid › 2018/05/15



May 15, 2018 — In 2011 the private equity firm Clayton Dubilier & Rice bought it for $3 billion. The company was renamed Envision and went public again in 2013 ...

How Rich Investors, Not Doctors, Profit From Marking Up ...​

ProPublica
https://www.propublica.org › article › how-rich-invest...



Jun 12, 2020 — TeamHealth, a medical staffing firm owned by private-equity giant Blackstone, charges multiples more than the cost of ER care.

Private Equity Gloats Over A Doctor Glut​

The Lever
https://www.levernews.com › private-equity-gloats-ov...



May 20, 2022 — Nearly all of the biggest bidders on ER contracts — Envision Healthcare, TeamHealth, SCP Partners, ApolloMD, and APP — are owned by private ...

Bitter medicine: private equity moves into hospital ERs​

Financial Times
https://www.ft.com › ... › Health sector › Investments



Dec 19, 2022 — The biggest physician staffing company, Envision, was acquired by KKR for $9.9bn the following year. In Texas, one in four of the state's ER ...

~S~

 

[Lisa558]

PKnopp simply won’t admit how awful Obamacare was for the middle class forced to use it.

 

[pknopp]

PKnopp simply won’t admit how awful Obamacare was for the middle class forced to use it.

I argued it was awful. No one can force you to use it.

 

[Cellblock2429]

The NHS is a big insurance scheme. Some people get "free" care but so what ?

Everybody should be able to get the medical care they need. For their own good and for the good of society.

/-----/ Weatherman 2020 posted this on another thread. It should answer your question. Company sued for not inventing a new drug.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Lisa558]

I argued it was awful. No one can force you to use it.

Nope. The hospital I went to for PT absolutely did. She said it was part of the contract they had with the insurer.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

The NHS is a big insurance scheme. Some people get "free" care but so what ?

Tommy, you pay for your health care up front, then surrender creature comforts so the bureaucracy can skim your taxes without you noticing, we pay as we go and enjoy room temperatures at a cheap 72 degrees in cold months as opposed to the cold 68 you suffer through...
...we enjoy air conditioning and ice and swimming pools [private and public] in the summer months while you are forced to gather at the overcrowded town fountain where you can splash communal water on yourselves like pachyderms ...we've got it good here tommy because the less like europe we are the better off we are.

Everybody should be able to get the medical care they need. For their own good and for the good of society.

They should be able to have both, healthcare, and the finer things in life...hard to do that when the government confiscates your earnings...but as europe has discovered, the price and reward of a social utopia is the suffering.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Truly dystopian. It must be terrifying to live under this threat even when you pay a lot for insurance.
Meanwhile the number of people in the uk with medical debt is steady at 0.
Thoughts and prayers.

Tommy, why don't ya just cut to the chase and blame climate change already.

 

[Lisa558]

Tommy, why don't ya just cut to the chase and blame climate change already.

Naaaa….you didn’t get the memo. It’s Trump’s fault!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

He’s talking about illegal aliens….not law-abiding immigrants.

The question remains.

 

[sparky]

/-----/ Weatherman 2020 posted this on another thread. It should answer your question. Company sued for not inventing a new drug.

MSN

www.msn.com

Interesting turn of events

But why would any capitalist medical system want to put itself out of business marketing something that actually works might be the Q to ask.....~S~

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Naaaa….you didn’t get the memo. It’s Trump’s fault!

You'd think he would be more appreciative toward trump since it was trump who was instrumental in allowing England/Britain to once again escape the diabolical clutches of europe.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Interesting turn of events

But why would any capitalist medical system want to put itself out of business marketing something that actually works might be the Q to ask.....~S~

/----/ Here is the real culprit from the article: The ruling creates a new potential revenue stream for plaintiff law firms, which may soon be the only businesses still welcome in California. They can find a product that improves on a previous version, then sue the company for not introducing it sooner. Software, phone, car and medical-device manufacturers—the universe of potential defendants is endless.

 

[initforme]

Thisvthread proves that the greatest nation, awash in wealth, with the greatest workforce currently on earth, has failed to figure out Healthcare. Pathetic. Sad. Embarrassing.

 

[Lisa558]

Thisvthread proves that the greatest nation, awash in wealth, with the greatest workforce currently on earth, has failed to figure out Healthcare. Pathetic. Sad. Embarrassing.

A big part of the problem is the inflated costs of care, DUE to insurance. We should get rid of all insurance except for major medical, and let people pay their own way. Watch the prices plummet.

As for the poor people, they can do what my grandparents did: save for a rainy day. They’ll have the money for regular stuff, since it will now be so cheap, and for the big stuff, they’ll have major medical.

 

[initforme]

A big part of the problem is the inflated costs of care, DUE to insurance. We should get rid of all insurance except for major medical, and let people pay their own way. Watch the prices plummet.

As for the poor people, they can do what my grandparents did: save for a rainy day. They’ll have the money for regular stuff, since it will now be so cheap, and for the big stuff, they’ll have major medical.

Well if it would work then it should be studied. But I'm still going to call it pathetic and stupid. Epic failure by a nation that doesn't know how to provide medical care to its people. If poor working people affect the system it just makes my case that america has failed in making healthcare available to its citizens.

 

[dblack]

Well if it would work then it should be studied. But I'm still going to call it pathetic and stupid. Epic failure by a nation that doesn't know how to provide medical care to its people. If poor working people affect the system it just makes my case that america has failed in making healthcare available to its citizens.

The problem is that there's no consensus that government should provide health care for its people.