Kerry and His Ilk

[Freedom Lover]

My primary reason for opposing democrats, and thus John Kerry, is their
socialist philosophy. This country has spent billions of dollars and
sacrificed thousands of lives opposing socialism and its extreme form,
communism.

In 1964 I was originally in favor of Lyndon Johnson winning election
until I read an in-depth article about what Barry Goldwater stood for and
what Johnson was all about, his socialist Great Society. I have not
voted for a democrat for president since becoming eligible to vote in the
1968 election.

You have to understand that democrats in the modern era (since Kennedy)
have opposed military action by the United States and supported cuts in
the defense buget because it deprives them of being able to fund more
socialist programs to get people dependent upon government, and thus
dependent upon them. This is where they get their power and retain it.
Therefore, a party and their candidates' philosophy is very important to
me. When they oppose a necessary military action I know why. When they
try to expand socialist programs I know why. When they oppose tax cuts
or support tax increases I know why.

Knowing why puts a lot of things in perspective. Flip-flops, other
proposals during campaigns don't really mean much. Understanding a party's
and candidates's philosophy of government means just about everything!
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[Annie]

My primary reason for opposing democrats, and thus John Kerry, is their
socialist philosophy. This country has spent billions of dollars and
sacrificed thousands of lives opposing socialism and its extreme form,
communism.

In 1964 I was originally in favor of Lyndon Johnson winning election
until I read an in-depth article about what Barry Goldwater stood for and
what Johnson was all about, his socialist Great Society. I have not
voted for a democrat for president since becoming eligible to vote in the
1968 election.

You have to understand that democrats in the modern era (since Kennedy)
have opposed military action by the United States and supported cuts in
the defense buget because it deprives them of being able to fund more
socialist programs to get people dependent upon government, and thus
dependent upon them. This is where they get their power and retain it.
Therefore, a party and their candidates' philosophy is very important to
me. When they oppose a necessary military action I know why. When they
try to expand socialist programs I know why. When they oppose tax cuts
or support tax increases I know why.

Knowing why puts a lot of things in perspective. Flip-flops, other
proposals during campaigns don't really mean much. Understanding a party's
and candidates's philosophy of government means just about everything!
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I would agree with you if party members were consistant with a philosophy. The truth is that for many years, many democrats and republicans could easily switch seats, with no noticeable change in votes. However, Kerry is at the extreme left of the Democrats. GW is mostly a centrist GOP, though I'm sure he would argue that.

 

[Avatar4321]

I would agree with you if party members were consistant with a philosophy. The truth is that for many years, many democrats and republicans could easily switch seats, with no noticeable change in votes. However, Kerry is at the extreme left of the Democrats. GW is mostly a centrist GOP, though I'm sure he would argue that.

Most of the far left would too. they think he is an evil right wing conservative. I think that comes from the fact that they really dont know where the center is. they think the center is on the left which if you look at it that way then the President is far right. but i think the center is more to the right. because we as a party fight the extremists on both sides.

 

[Freedom Lover]

My observations have been over many years that the basic philosophy of the Democrat Party has been, and still is, to try and solve people's problems by making them permanently dependent upon government while the Republican Party tries to resolve those same problems by creating opportunities for people so they can be free to make their own choices. It is the old feed a man a fish......or teach him how to fish analogy. Satisfaction and enjoyment in life comes from knowing how to fish!

 

[Avatar4321]

My observations have been over many years that the basic philosophy of the Democrat Party has been, and still is, to try and solve people's problems by making them permanently dependent upon government while the Republican Party tries to resolve those same problems by creating opportunities for people so they can be free to make their own choices. It is the old feed a man a fish......or teach him how to fish analogy. Satisfaction and enjoyment in life comes from knowing how to fish!

Yes us republicans have the philosphy "Build a man a fire he will be warm for a day, light a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life"

 

[Annie]

My observations have been over many years that the basic philosophy of the Democrat Party has been, and still is, to try and solve people's problems by making them permanently dependent upon government while the Republican Party tries to resolve those same problems by creating opportunities for people so they can be free to make their own choices. It is the old feed a man a fish......or teach him how to fish analogy. Satisfaction and enjoyment in life comes from knowing how to fish!

On that, I can basically agree. The Dems seem to want people dependent on the government, thus consolidating their power. However, there are quite a few Dems, that do not fit this model, many from the South, of which Zell Miller has more or less been symbolic of. That isn't to say they never vote for government expanding programs, but they are 'centrists'. Bush has put through the pharmacy bill and NCLB, not exactly 'Conservative.'

 

[Avatar4321]

On that, I can basically agree. The Dems seem to want people dependent on the government, thus consolidating their power. However, there are quite a few Dems, that do not fit this model, many from the South, of which Zell Miller has more or less been symbolic of. That isn't to say they never vote for government expanding programs, but they are 'centrists'. Bush has put through the pharmacy bill and NCLB, not exactly 'Conservative.'

yeah they arent the most conservative moves but he did campaign on them though so its not like we should be complaining that he is doing what he promised to do. As long as conservatives grow in power in the House and Senate i think we will see alot of these programs reformed or abolished though.

 

[Annie]

yeah they arent the most conservative moves but he did campaign on them though so its not like we should be complaining that he is doing what he promised to do. As long as conservatives grow in power in the House and Senate i think we will see alot of these programs reformed or abolished though.

Oh I agree, he did campaign on them and he won the primary. Between him and Gore, well no contest. Now it's GW and Kerry, easier than before. Kerry is worse than Gore, at least 2000 Gore. Bush has changed, fundamentally since 9/11, choice is clear.

 

[Avatar4321]

Oh I agree, he did campaign on them and he won the primary. Between him and Gore, well no contest. Now it's GW and Kerry, easier than before. Kerry is worse than Gore, at least 2000 Gore. Bush has changed, fundamentally since 9/11, choice is clear.

I agree. its clear to everyone who isnt blinded by rage. which i dont think is going to be many people when this is over.

 

[Freedom Lover]

One of things that has been virtually overlooked in this campaign has been the impact on the courts if Kerry is elected. The dems for decades have been stuffing the courts with socialist leaning judges. They have approved through the judiciary laws that the dems could not get enacted as they should be, by the legislative branch. The courts have become a governing body by fiat and thus have created a tyranny whereby laws are being imposed by unelected individuals, from which there is no recourse, ecept to amend the Constitution.
Mr. Kerry will only perpetuate this by nominations he is sure to make to fill vacancies coming up in the Supreme Court and the lower courts.

This is a very important issue, and I hope the Bush campaign will bring it up before election day. This unholy alliance between the dems and their agenda and the courts has got to come to an end. It is every bit as important an issue as the R's keeping control of the Congress!

 

[musicman]

I agree. That's why this is one of the most important presidential elections in our nation's history.

 

[therestillis]

My observations have been over many years that the basic philosophy of the Democrat Party has been, and still is, to try and solve people's problems by making them permanently dependent upon government while the Republican Party tries to resolve those same problems by creating opportunities for people so they can be free to make their own choices.

Democrats have asked for legislature to end dependence upon imported oil. Does that make people permanently dependnt upon government? It creates new opportunities that the republicans keep making you believe are leftist ideas.

Democrats want healthcare for everyone!! You can be covered through your tax dollars for basic care and then pay for additional and better coverage on your own. It is up to you!! Does that make you dependent on government? Right now your dependent upon the health insurance providers telling you what you can have for medical care. You have doctors leaving their practices because of skyrocketing health care they can't afford to provide to their patients. You have seniors who worked all their lives who are making choices between food or medicine. Believe me - I would much rather have my mom and dad not to have to make that choice after having worked over 50 years and lost their pensions and health care to Enron and the crash of the market since Bush took office.

It is the old feed a man a fish......or teach him how to fish analogy. Satisfaction and enjoyment in life comes from knowing how to fish!

I was once told by the president of the company who sold the government the $700 hammer, that only dumb people work for the government, the smart people sell to the government. I would suppose this is why the Bush Administration has increased spending to all time highs. Whatever happen to a balance budget? You have to be careful about who is your teacher. Oh and BTW - that guy works for the Bush campaign. Such irony.

 

[Bonnie]

My observations have been over many years that the basic philosophy of the Democrat Party has been, and still is, to try and solve people's problems by making them permanently dependent upon government while the Republican Party tries to resolve those same problems by creating opportunities for people so they can be free to make their own choices. It is the old feed a man a fish......or teach him how to fish analogy. Satisfaction and enjoyment in life comes from knowing how to fish!

That's true, problem is they hide behind that fact by race baiting, and creating a climate of class envy, and they label those that disagree as evil, closed minded, bigoted, and selfish. That's an easy sell to a lot of people. If they came out and said what they truly are Socialists/ Communists, they would have a lot less success..........hopefully that is becoming apparent to more people.
There are a lot of Republicans today that also cave in to the temptation of governmant sloving everyone's problems from birth to death at the expense of everyone else, because they lack the courage to stand up and say government should support self reliance.
Fortuntely we still have many in the Republican party and now even some Dems that are taking the right stand.

 

[CSM]

That's true, problem is they hide behind that fact by race baiting, and creating a climate of class envy, and they label those that disagree as evil, closed minded, bigoted, and selfish. That's an easy sell to a lot of people. If they came out and said what they truly are Socialists/ Communists, they would have a lot less success..........hopefully that is becoming apparent to more people.
There are a lot of Republicans today that also cave in to the temptation of governmant sloving everyone's problems from birth to death at the expense of everyone else, because they lack the courage to stand up and say government should support self reliance.
Fortuntely we still have many in the Republican party and now even some Dems that are taking the right stand.

I am in agreement. Without some sort of class division, the Democratic Party platform falls apart rather quickly. What amazes me is the fact that a good portion of the Democrats who feed upon the very class disparity they profess to hate fall on "have" side of the fence.

In addition, there is a very strong belief among Democrats that government is all about distribution of wealth. Good old Hillary came right out and said that in no uncertain terms. I cannot speak for anyone else, but I sure as hell dont want the government taking my money and giving it to some no working lazy ass who thinks they are "owed" a living just because they exist.

 

[Avatar4321]

I am in agreement. Without some sort of class division, the Democratic Party platform falls apart rather quickly. What amazes me is the fact that a good portion of the Democrats who feed upon the very class disparity they profess to hate fall on "have" side of the fence.

This isnt an accident. Thats the entire reason Democrats tax income instead of wealth. The Democrat "Elites" such as Kerry, Kennedy, Corzine, Edwards, etc already have their wealth. Their goal is to remain in power. In order to stay in power they have to prohibit other people from making wealth. If other people make wealth through hard work, their power base is threatened because they have more competion.

 

[Bonnie]

This isnt an accident. Thats the entire reason Democrats tax income instead of wealth. The Democrat "Elites" such as Kerry, Kennedy, Corzine, Edwards, etc already have their wealth. Their goal is to remain in power. In order to stay in power they have to prohibit other people from making wealth. If other people make wealth through hard work, their power base is threatened because they have more competion.

Exactly, which is why they are only happy when the country is not doing well and if it is doing well they lie and say it isn't,because they have to be the cavalry and save the day. Or so they think. In order to remain in power they must keep a dependant base of constituency, that most definately precludes those that rely on themselves instead of other tax payers...........

 

[therestillis]

This isnt an accident. Thats the entire reason Democrats tax income instead of wealth. The Democrat "Elites" such as Kerry, Kennedy, Corzine, Edwards, etc already have their wealth.

[B]Democrats believe in everyone paying taxes! Wealthy can buy more and have more tax advantages than middle and lower incomes. They end up paying less taxes, or didn't your CPA figure that one out for you?

Republican senators don't already have their wealth? Not even a point.[/B]

Their goal is to remain in power. In order to stay in power they have to prohibit other people from making wealth. If other people make wealth through hard work, their power base is threatened because they have more competion.

Prohibit other people from making wealth through hard work? Where do you think we get our money, do you think there is some secret money dispersement among the democrats? Let me know, because I have yet to be told. I don't believe it was Democrats that used pensions and 401k money to bankroll their financial gains like Enron, Haliburton, etc. Wall Street is largely Republican and I don't see them making anyone wealthy right now except for the Calgary Corporation.

 

[dilloduck]

where do you think Kerry and Kennedy got thier money?

 

[Freedom Lover]

The latter posts to this thread have been quite interesting. I agree not all democrats tend toward socialism, such as Zell Miller. But democrats like him are very small minority of the party. The party has been highjacked by the leftists and continue to promote class warfare, just as in socialist nations, to gain power and to keep it. Fortunately they have not been able to grab power in the Congress and hopefully not the White House this year.

As for the healthcare issue we have that in place for seniors, it is called Medicare. President Bush has presided over the largest expansion of the program in 40 years. If any senior is making choices between healthcare and food they need to be educated on how to enroll in the program. My 83 year old mother missed being eligble for the new Medicare drug discount card by about $200. She told me she did not mind too much because she did not want to depend on the government for things like that. By the way, she lives on Social Security and a very small pension, and she is voting for Bush!

This brings me back to the majority of dems being socialists. It is not an altruistic motive they have to make the government the be all, end all of American lives. But rather it is for power for power's sake that drives them. This to me makes them dangerous people and not worthy of holding any political office in this country!

 

[Bonnie]

Bottom line is Democrats believe there is a finite amount of money, and if one man is rich there must be someone out there who is poor because of the rich one. And so we must distribute the money.. that's where the Democrats come in to the rescue, they decide it's just not fair for some to have money and they MUST have earned it on the bones of the downtrodden so we are going to punish them for this evil deed.
Now the Republicans believe everyone can have wealth if they work for it and government gets the hell out of people's lives, for the most part barring common sense laws and regulations. They don't beleive that if one person is wealthy it is preventing another from being so as well.

Now that said Im sure there are Liberal Republicans that think much like the Democrats, and similarly there are Conservative Democrats that think more like Republicans.

Just different philosophies........