"We are stardust"... Abiogenesis + evolution = God's plan?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I asked him and he said not quite.

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Ok, neat fantasy, haha

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Doubtful, and please own your own absurd and stupid thoughts, instead of trying to attribute them to me.

But didn't you say essentially that awareness comes from chemical compounds and biolectric potentials?

Are planets self aware? They've been chemicals and biolectric potentials for billions of years

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But didn't you say essentially that awareness comes from chemical compounds and biolectric potentials?

Which is not the equivalent of the very stupid question you asked.

Are planets self aware? They've been chemicals and biolectric potentials for billions of years

So what?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But didn't you say essentially that awareness comes from chemical compounds and biolectric potentials?

Are planets self aware? They've been chemicals and biolectric potentials for billions of years

So... what do you think is in your brain, besides chemicals? A special "Essential Frank" substance (like, an essential oil or something) that exists outside of the physical reality?

 

[BreezeWood]

So... what do you think is in your brain, besides chemicals? A special "Essential Frank" substance (like, an essential oil or something) that exists outside of the physical reality?

who are you kidding, friek show - physiology is itself a metaphysical substance that disappears when its spiritual content, multi dimensional metaphysical force is removed.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So... what do you think is in your brain, besides chemicals? A special "Essential Frank" substance (like, an essential oil or something) that exists outside of the physical reality?

Yes

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

who are you kidding, friek show - physiology is itself a metaphysical substance that disappears when its spiritual content, multi dimensional metaphysical force is removed.

Sure it is. Or maybe not. Useless information.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes

Okay. But such a substance would have zero bearing on any science we do. So you don't have any good basis there to reject any scientific knowledge.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Okay. But such a substance would have zero bearing on any science we do. So you don't have any good basis there to reject any scientific knowledge.

What's wrong with the idea of a self-aware Universe?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What's wrong with the idea of a self-aware Universe?

Nothing at all. Fascinating, really.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nothing at all. Fascinating, really.

In the works of Carlos Castaneda, Mexican shaman Don Juan explains that the Universe is comprised of the Known, the Unknown and the Unknowable. For humans, the vast majority of the Universe is in the Unknowable, we lack the sensory capability to translate most of the Universe.

This meshes with modern astrophysics who say that dark matter and dark energy make up most of the Universe.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

For humans, the vast majority of the Universe is in the Unknowable, we lack the sensory capability to translate most of the Universe.

Okay. But that would mean anything you say about it is just made up nonsense. That's a double edged sword.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Okay. But that would mean anything you say about it is just made up nonsense. That's a double edged sword.

Sure. Maybe. I could see where someone could try to abuse that and use it to cover up their own intellectual laziness

It does not feel like made up nonsense to me. And I've heard the same basic description from so many different, serious people.

Plus I've had numerous personal experiences that tell me my five senses do not cover everything around me

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

. I could see where someone could try to abuse that and use it to cover up their own intellectual laziness

But you are the one with zero evidence. Therefore, the only intellectual laziness is on your part. Making stuff up out of thin air is not an intellectual pursuit.

 

[Clyde 154]

There's no God, but abiogenesis is actually a part of evolution. The first part. So..
Ya say ya want an ev-o-lu-tion. Well 'el ya know..

Exactly......"abiogenesis" is actually a basic tenet of the THEORY OF EVOLUTION.........and the very reason there is no LAW OF EVOLUTION. Because abiogenesis and evolution are not FACTS but, "ideas".

 

[BreezeWood]

- physiology is itself a metaphysical substance that disappears when its spiritual content, multi dimensional metaphysical force is removed.

Sure it is. Or maybe not. Useless information.

organic presence is not native to planet Earth but evolved through the atmosphere of the universe whether you can accept the fact or not - and may have a distinct origin that someday may be fully understood - and is the avenue evolution must follow to understand its relevancy despite the ignorant tactics of the spiritually dead - ff.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Exactly......"abiogenesis" is actually a basic tenet of the THEORY OF EVOLUTION..

100% wrong.

Abiogenesis is just a foregone conclusion. Once there was no life, then there was life. The theory of evolution makes no deference to abiogenesis and would remain completely untouched and u changed, if God or aliens created the earliest common ancestor of all species.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

organic presence is not native to planet Earth but evolved through the atmosphere of the universe whether you can accept the fact or not

It's not a fact. It is the unevidenced and apparently useless claim of a guy on a message board.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

THEORY OF EVOLUTION.........and the very reason there is no LAW OF EVOLUTION.

When you say things like this, you reveal to educated people that you know less than nothing about how science works and about what theories and laws are.

 

[Votto]

Could it be that abiogenesis and evolution are both fact and are part of God's design?

I understand how and why people insist on the young age of the Earth (using lineage in Abrahamic religious text). But maybe you just read it a bit wrong? Maybe, it is incomplete information? A thousand years is as a day to God, no? Why not a billion years?

God created man from dust, no? Stardust, it seems. Literal dust. From stars exploding.

Perhaps God chose two "almost ready" early hominids to be the first humans, Adam and Eve. He could have just created other humans as He liked, for them to breed with, I imagine. Or perhaps Adam and Eve were just Moses's stunted interpretation of being shown Y-chromosome Adam and Mitochondrial Eve by God in a vision. Perhaps God showed him a lot of truth, but he could not recall every detail or absorb and understand it all.

I could continue, but that's what threads are for

I don't see the conflict. Surely every monotheist thinks God is capable of both abiogenesis and evolution. No?

No, he doesn't do anything until he runs it by me first, and this is the first I've heard about any of this.