Why is it important that I vote in this election?

[ThisIsMe]

Nope. I'm not voting. If this is the two choices you give me, then I'm staying home. My way of being a patriot.

“If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice..” - Geddy Lee

 

[BackAgain]

Don’t vote, then.

 

[Foxfyre]

In close elections your vote may determine the outcome. We have heard that many times. However, the simple fact is that in this presidential election seven state will determine the presidency, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. So if you live in New York, California, Texas, or Florida or any of the other 43 states, should I bother to vote. The answer is absolutely YES.

The major reason you should vote is that state and local elections will most likely have a greater impact on your life than who ends up being president. Just because a president promises to build a great wall on our borders, sign a bill making abortion legal, or provide tax cuts for families and small businesses does not mean it's actually going to happen. Such promises will be tempered by congress, existing laws, other items on the president's agenda, the practicality of the action, and of course unforeseen event such national disasters, wars, terrorism, epidemics, etc. However when you vote for a new bond issue for schools, fire and ems services, hiring more police, or programs to bring in more businesses, these proposals will likely have a direct effect on the taxes you pay, services you receive, property values, and jobs. Many people in general elections just vote for president, and maybe the governor or mayor, and skip the other stuff because it take more time to research.

So regardless of what you think of the presidential candidates, you should vote and don't skip the local and state elections and propositions because they will effect you.

Thank you for underscoring the very real truth that campaign rhetoric on both sides often omits the fact that many campaign promises are contingent on Congress or state legislature or the city council passing the legislation for the President/Governor/Mayor to sign. It would be a very good thing if candidates included that particular caveat but at least here in America, it just isn't done that way.

And yes, the congressional elections and the state/local elections are also very important and should not be taken casually.

But of all the many people on the ballot, ultimately our vote should be for what we want for our city, our state, our country:

 

[eagle7-31]

In close elections your vote may determine the outcome. We have heard that many times. However, the simple fact is that in this presidential election seven state will determine the presidency, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. So if you live in New York, California, Texas, or Florida or any of the other 43 states, should I bother to vote. The answer is absolutely YES.

The major reason you should vote is that state and local elections will most likely have a greater impact on your life than who ends up being president. Just because a president promises to build a great wall on our borders, sign a bill making abortion legal, or provide tax cuts for families and small businesses does not mean it's actually going to happen. Such promises will be tempered by congress, existing laws, other items on the president's agenda, the practicality of the action, and of course unforeseen event such national disasters, wars, terrorism, epidemics, etc. However when you vote for a new bond issue for schools, fire and ems services, hiring more police, or programs to bring in more businesses, these proposals will likely have a direct effect on the taxes you pay, services you receive, property values, and jobs. Many people in general elections just vote for president, and maybe the governor or mayor, and skip the other stuff because it take more time to research.

So regardless of what you think of the presidential candidates, you should vote and don't skip the local and state elections and propositions because they will effect you.

If you vote and why is up to you or not to, that is your decision and yours alone.

 

[Flopper]

I've never understood the conviction that everyone should vote. Uninformed idiots shouldn't vote. People who disagree with me shouldn't vote.

But most of you will, and you'll fuck it all up as usual.

It's really pretty simple. People that lack the ability to vote have a greater motivation to go to the streets with weapons and destroy civil order. People that have a voice in their government and use it are more accepting of governance, obeying laws, participate in their community, and fighting for their country. This was made quite clear to the world in the French Revolution in 1789 when the people rose up against monarchy demanding the right to vote.

 

[dblack]

It's really pretty simple. People that lack the ability to vote have a greater motivation to go to the streets with weapons and destroy civil order. People that have a voice in their government and use it are more accepting of governance, obeying laws, participate in their community, and fighting for their country. This was made quite clear to the world in the French Revolution in 1789 when the people rose up against monarchy demanding the right to vote.

Well, I wasn't talking about the ability to vote. Just the value of doing it if you're uninformed or disinterested.

 

[Cougarbear]

If Trump is elected, I have no idea what he will do because he's a loose cannon whose becoming more senile and refuses to take the advice of others. Harris says she will hire the most knowledge and capable people even though they do share her beliefs. She has even promised to appoint a republican to her cabinet. Harris has always made decisions based on the advice of others. Trump on the other hand says his administration will be people he can trust. He just needs the facts and will make decisions based on his intuitions

I serious doubt either candidate will make any significant lasting changes on America.

Do you really believe Harris. She lies about anything Trump says. She’s a liar. She led a coup to overthrow Biden. She would hirer Liz Cheney the warmongering fake conservative.
Why do you say Trump is a loose cannon. He followed through and kept his campaign promises last time. That’s why politicians and the media hate him. He does what he says he will do. Therefore, not a liar.

 

[Flopper]

Thank you for underscoring the very real truth that campaign rhetoric on both sides often omits the fact that many campaign promises are contingent on Congress or state legislature or the city council passing the legislation for the President/Governor/Mayor to sign. It would be a very good thing if candidates included that particular caveat but at least here in America, it just isn't done that way.

And yes, the congressional elections and the state/local elections are also very important and should not be taken casually.

But of all the many people on the ballot, ultimately our vote should be for how we want for our city, our state, our country:

I prefer the British system in which the leader is selected by Parliament. American presidential campaigns are a disgrace. The current one is the worst I have ever seen and I have been watching and participating in them for over 60 years. I don't now if Trump will win the election but he will certainly win the race for making the most outrageous campaign promises and lies.

 

[Foxfyre]

I prefer the British system in which the leader is selected by Parliament. American presidential campaigns are a disgrace. The current one is the worst I have ever seen and I have been watching and participating in them for over 60 years. I don't now if Trump will win the election but he will certainly win the race for making the most outrageous campaign promises and lies.

And here you and I part company. I thought we were having a friendly and serious discussion but I guess not. But do have a pleasant evening.

 

[Flopper]

Do you really believe Harris. She lies about anything Trump says. She’s a liar. She led a coup to overthrow Biden. She would hirer Liz Cheney the warmongering fake conservative.
Why do you say Trump is a loose cannon. He followed through and kept his campaign promises last time. That’s why politicians and the media hate him. He does what he says he will do. Therefore, not a liar.

He is a loose cannon because he is unpredictable, irrational at times and makes promises he can not keep such as deporting 11 millions illegal immigrants. He says what his audience likes to hear never bothering with the truth.

This time around, he will promise you anything to get your vote and avoid jail time in his next 3 criminal trials; deport 11 million, Invade Mexico, Indict Biden, round up the homeless and the send the National Guard into the Cities, and the Army to the border; Yep, anything to stay out of jail.

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And NO, he did not keep his campaign promises. Just look at a partial list of promises below that Trump made and broke in his last term.

Repeal ObamacareApprove the Keystone XL project and reap the profits​

Place lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign government
Build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it
Close parts of the Internet where ISIS ispprove the Keystone XL project and reap the profits
Open up libel laws
Place lifetime ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections
Create a health savings account for all Americans
Invest $550 billion in infrastructure and create an infrastructure fund
Bring back manufacturing
Make no cuts to Medicaid
Grow the economy by 4 percent a year
Guarantee 6-week paid leave
Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton
Get Congress to allow health insurance across state lines
Renegotiate the Iran deal
Rebuild the Marine Corps to 36 battalions
Add additional federal investment of $20 billion toward School Choice
Change the vaccination schedule for children
Adopt the penny plan
Expand national right to carry to all 50 states
Cancel all funding of sanctuary cities
Dramatically scale back the U.S. Education Department
Eliminate Common Core
Remove all undocumented immigrants
Eliminate gun-free zones at schools and military bases
Stop the AT&T Time Warner Merger
Eliminate wasteful spending in every department
Reverse China's entry into the World Trade Organization
Enact 5-year ban on White House and congressional officials from lobbying
Impose a hiring freeze on federal employees
Have mandatory minimum sentences for criminals caught trying to re-enter the United States illegally
Establish a commission on radical Islam
Replace J-1 Visa with Inner City Resume Bank
Increase the size of the U.S. Army to 540,000 active duty soldiers
Build a safe zone for Syrian refugees
Eliminate the federal debt in 8 years
Change the name of Mount Denali back to Mount McKinley
Administer Medicaid through block grants
Remove existing Syrian refugees
Balance the federal budget 'fairly quickly'
Establish a ban on Muslims entering the U.S.
Create targeted child care tax credits
Eliminate the carried interest loophole
Repeal the alternative minimum tax
Release his tax returns after an audit is completed
Sue his accusers of sexual misconduct

Trump-O-Meter : Tracking Trump’s first-term campaign promises | PolitiFact

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

 

[Billiejeens]

Ummmmmmmmmm, I don't think you understood the OP. There are also state and local races on the ballot as well as state amendments. You can ignore the presidential election and vote for those. And if you are just talking about the duopoly there are several other options besides democrat and republican.

It's a binary system.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

My grandmother puts it like this:

"If you don't vote, you can't complain."

If you vote then you caused the problem, so you can't complaint.

 

[Cougarbear]

He is a loose cannon because he is unpredictable, irrational at times and makes promises he can not keep such as deporting 11 millions illegal immigrants. He says what his audience likes to hear never bothering with the truth.

This time around, he will promise you anything to get your vote and avoid jail time in his next 3 criminal trials; deport 11 million, Invade Mexico, Indict Biden, round up the homeless and the send the National Guard into the Cities, and the Army to the border; Yep, anything to stay out of jail.

​

And NO, he did not keep his campaign promises. Just look at a partial list of promises below that Trump made and broke in his last term.

Repeal ObamacareApprove the Keystone XL project and reap the profits​

Place lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign government
Build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it
Close parts of the Internet where ISIS ispprove the Keystone XL project and reap the profits
Open up libel laws
Place lifetime ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections
Create a health savings account for all Americans
Invest $550 billion in infrastructure and create an infrastructure fund
Bring back manufacturing
Make no cuts to Medicaid
Grow the economy by 4 percent a year
Guarantee 6-week paid leave
Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton
Get Congress to allow health insurance across state lines
Renegotiate the Iran deal
Rebuild the Marine Corps to 36 battalions
Add additional federal investment of $20 billion toward School Choice
Change the vaccination schedule for children
Adopt the penny plan
Expand national right to carry to all 50 states
Cancel all funding of sanctuary cities
Dramatically scale back the U.S. Education Department
Eliminate Common Core
Remove all undocumented immigrants
Eliminate gun-free zones at schools and military bases
Stop the AT&T Time Warner Merger
Eliminate wasteful spending in every department
Reverse China's entry into the World Trade Organization
Enact 5-year ban on White House and congressional officials from lobbying
Impose a hiring freeze on federal employees
Have mandatory minimum sentences for criminals caught trying to re-enter the United States illegally
Establish a commission on radical Islam
Replace J-1 Visa with Inner City Resume Bank
Increase the size of the U.S. Army to 540,000 active duty soldiers
Build a safe zone for Syrian refugees
Eliminate the federal debt in 8 years
Change the name of Mount Denali back to Mount McKinley
Administer Medicaid through block grants
Remove existing Syrian refugees
Balance the federal budget 'fairly quickly'
Establish a ban on Muslims entering the U.S.
Create targeted child care tax credits
Eliminate the carried interest loophole
Repeal the alternative minimum tax
Release his tax returns after an audit is completed
Sue his accusers of sexual misconduct

Trump-O-Meter : Tracking Trump’s first-term campaign promises | PolitiFact

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

I read the list and most of them he either did or the Democrats in the Senate did not allow those things to happen. Obamacare at the top of the list. So stuff your list of false hoods.
He is not a loose cannon. That’s a talking point of the media leftist.

 

[Flopper]

Thank you for underscoring the very real truth that campaign rhetoric on both sides often omits the fact that many campaign promises are contingent on Congress or state legislature or the city council passing the legislation for the President/Governor/Mayor to sign. It would be a very good thing if candidates included that particular caveat but at least here in America, it just isn't done that way.

And yes, the congressional elections and the state/local elections are also very important and should not be taken casually.

But of all the many people on the ballot, ultimately our vote should be for what we want for our city, our state, our country:

The last four years was primarily about ending Covid and recovering from the shortages which caused a year of skyrocketing inflation. Currently the economy is sound with 2.5% inflation, 4.5% increase in wages, a GDP growth of about 3% and a Stock Market near an all time high. Encounters at the border are less 50,000than a month which is about what we had in Trump's first 2 years in office.

The next president must get an immigration bill through congress so we can drastically reduce the number of amnesty applications at the border and provide enough immigration court judges and staff to reduce the backlog of over million immigration cases waiting for court hearings.

As far as big foreign policy issues, the ongoing Ukraine war against Russia and now North Korea, has to be a number one foreign policy issue followed by China's military action in the South China Sea and the Israel war. I have little continence in either candidate to deal with these very messy foreign policy issues. However, I would favor Harris on foreign policy because she said she is going to pick the top experience advisors while Trump says he will pick staff based on loyalty that can get him the facts and he will make decisions based on his intuitions.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I'm in Oregon, which is a lost cause state, Kumalla will get all the marbles.
I will vote of course since there are a multitude of other issues.

 

[dblack]

I'm in Oregon, which is a lost cause state, Kumalla will get all the marbles.
I will vote of course since there are a multitude of other issues.

Yep. Only reason I'm voting is because ranked choice voting is on the ballot in my state.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Yep. Only reason I'm voting is because ranked choice voting is on the ballot in my state.

Another way for these people to assure a one-party rule from now on. Viva 'Greater Idaho'!!

 

[dblack]

Another way for these people to assure a one-party rule from now on. Viva 'Greater Idaho'!!

That's funny!

 

[dblack]

Another way for these people to assure a one-party rule from now on. Viva 'Greater Idaho'!!

Out of morbid curiosity, which party?