Zone1 Just a nonconfrontational discussion.

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Never said they were the reason I said they were a large part of his support/

Which didn't change from 2020 to 2024. Harris lost because more Democrats (not evangelicals) voted for Trump in 2024 than did in 2020. You want to make this election about religion when religion played no part in it. Read the exit polls.

 

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And what specifically has trump done to prevent the destruction of religion?

He's not a Democrat. He doesn't have to do anything to stop it. He just can't continue with that trajectory as it is perceived that the Democrats will continue down that path.

 

[BULLDOG]

Closing the border, enforcing Title IX, ending the funding of terrorist countries like Iran, ending the support of hamas, sending the hundreds of violent illegal aliens back to their place of origin, enforcing the laws of this land.

None of those things popped in to your mind?

No . Not as religion specific reasons why christians support trump. I'm not interested in all the reasons. Just the specific ones that command Christian support and not shared by most of his other supporters.

 

[MarathonMike]

Thank you. Are you opposed to all abortion or just late term?

I have posted multiple times I support an abortion LIMIT on fetal age at 12 weeks since that is the age that most fetuses first exhibit a heartbeat which I view as the beginning of a living human being. Beyong 12 weeks there must be special circumstances such is the PHYSICAL not mental health of the Mother, rape or incest.

 

[BULLDOG]

That's part of it. But there's also the perception that the traditional nuclear family is under attack as well. That Democrats want to redefine the standard for the nuclear family.

What specifically is trump doing to prevent the redefinition of the nuclear family?

 

[DukeU]

That's part of it. But there's also the perception that the traditional nuclear family is under attack as well. That Democrats want to redefine the standard for the nuclear family.

They want to redefine ALL of God's standards.

Male
Female
Marriage
Etc.

 

[SmokeALib]

A wide range of groups elected trump. Each group had their own specific reasons and shared other reasons with other groups. This discussion isn't about all those different groups.

You lost me there. I tried.
Later.

 

[BULLDOG]

He won't increase it, that's for sure.

He will stop the Department of Ed from mandating women allow men on their sports teams.

The rest has to be done at the State level, and they vote for that as well.

Thank you. You said he would prevent mandating women allow men on their team. So far I have "Judges to end Roe V Wade", "and not requiring men on women's teams". I've received lots of other reasons, but they were general reasons shared by a wide range of groups. Not specifically religion-based reasons to support him. Did I miss anything?

 

[BULLDOG]

You are stuck on a faulty premise. Trump won because he flipped MORE democrats than any repub before him.

You should ask yourself why democrats would leave the plantation.

But that requires some honesty on your part.

You up to it?

Interesting thought but has nothing to do with specific reasons why religious people support trump.

 

[BULLDOG]

Being an agnostic I don't have a dog in the religious race but I suspect the faithful voted for Trump for the same reason I did.....To unfuck what the dems have done to our country.

That and I figured they thought, well, he's not like us but does not hate us like the dems do.

Elaborate? What specific policies or promises has he made to garner religious focused support?

 

[BULLDOG]

The election has little--perhaps even nothing--to do with religion. Look at the exit polls. People voted for the person they felt could right the economy, lower inflation, restore the border, and reduce crime. Who would express him/herself better with other world leaders? Who has the most energy? Who thinks well of the country and its people?

You are entitled to your beliefs, but the religious community was a big part of his support. I'm asking why.

 

[MeBelle]

"The right claimed moral superiority. They even called themselves the Moral majority."

The 'right' never claimed moral superiority.
The 'left' put that label on the 'right' in order to mock them.

The initial premise is incorrect.

 

[BULLDOG]

Democrats are now Marxists, thus they demand the family and religion be destroyed so that Marxist ideology can replace them.

Belief that Democrats demand the family and religion be destroyed. Something more to add to the list. Thank you

 

[BULLDOG]

But you are. You are arguing that evangelicals are hypocrites for supporting Trump on the grounds of morality. You even used Bill Clinton as an example of their hypocrisy. So don't pretend like you aren't making an argument here.

There will be 30% of each spectrum that will look the other way no matter what. So if you think this hypocrisy is one sided, you aren't being objective.

I never called anyone a hypocrite. I just don't understand the dichotomy and ask for an explanation.

 

[martybegan]

Thank you. You said he would prevent mandating women allow men on their team. So far I have "Judges to end Roe V Wade", "and not requiring men on women's teams". I've received lots of other reasons, but they were general reasons shared by a wide range of groups. Not specifically religion-based reasons to support him. Did I miss anything?

The whole progressive attack on nuclear families and any traditional sense of values stated by others.

 

[BULLDOG]

I am staying on subject. You just don't like me lifting up the curtain. And no, it has not been repeatedly. This is the second time. And just like the first time I said I am staying on subject. You are making all kinds of implied arguments that are incorrect; the evangelicals are responsible for Trump winning which is false. Only evangelicals are hypocrites for excusing poor behaviors which is false because there is a faction from both sides that do that.

Evangelicals were a large part of his support. You are certainly allowed to have another opinion. I'm asking why he deserved his religious based support.

 

[BULLDOG]

Trump repented of his sins. If anyone cares about his sins.. He is seen as a person that will protect the rights of Christians and Jews in a times when those rights are under attack.

Clinton didn't merely have affairs. He abused the women. He lied about an affair with a young and vulnerable girl. The lie was to gain an advantage in a civil case by yet another woman. The judge found that perjury so reprehensible she disbarred Clinton. This wasn't the end end of the sleaze. He systematically destroyed Monica Lewinsky's life. He destroyed her reputation, impugned her integrity and used his influence to interfere in employment. He made her name a verb.

So, no. There's no comparison between Trump’s harmless alliances and Clinton's evil.

Why do you think he repented. Has he ever said he repented, or anything like that?

 

[Yarddog]

I've repeatedly asked you to stay on subject. If you don't know what that subject is then read the OP.

You also asked in the OP, what are Democrats doing wrong? I think your trying to control the subject matter too much. Remeber, its a non- confrontational discussion.

 

[BULLDOG]

The point of Bill Clinton's affair was not that Bill Clinton had an affair. Sadly that is very common, so much so that when we had a president who was squeaky clean in that regard, it was seen as unusual.

What put the right in an uproar was that Bill Clinton had taken advantage of a very young intern, literally ejaculated into her mouth, when he was president of the United States. This at a time when the Feminist movement and the Democrats who supported it was in constant moral outrage over the things like a boss complimenting his secretary on her appearance or a manager asking an assistant manager on a date. Yet they loved Bill Clinton and never criticized him. They ridiculed anyone who did.

The Democrat's answer was "but look how well the economy is doing!" and they had a very good point. We could argue about how, but the economy was strong under the Clinton presidency, and we don't know if it would have been if Bush the Elder had gotten a second term.

So, the Democrats lost any firm ground from which to launch an attack based on "your guy doesn't follow your morals!"

What has Trump done for the religious commmunity? How about recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel by moving the U.S. embassy there? Something previous presidents of both parties had promised, but on which Trump delivered.

He made it possible for states to restrict abortion.

He opposes the movement to let males in women and girls' sports, locker rooms and bathrooms.

I'm not positive, but I imagine he opposes giving hormones and surgeries to underage children in an attempt to change or confirm or whatever the lastest phrase is, their gender.

Would I rather he be a very moral man in his private life? Sure. I'd wish that of any man, including Joe and Hunter Biden. But given how few men can truly be called moral, I'll take the immoral one who puts America first.

Thank you. Recognizing Jerusalem hasn't been mentioned before now Abortions and trans males on sports teams have.

 

[BULLDOG]

And they did.

It wasn't only religious people who supported Trump.

Kinda like your assumption on wild bill clinton.

It wasn't the affair that got him impeached...it was the perjury.

Again, I never said only religious people were responsible for his election. However, that is the only group I'm asking about right now.