Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

And that explains where you get your spiritual wisdom from.

Now, have you decided which one it is yet?

Listen.

Why don't you call in your superior in the hierarchy of Hell. You suck at acting and bore me.

 

[hadit]

Listen.

Why don't you send in your superior in the hierarchy of Hell. You suck at acting and bore me.

Classic, classic, classic. You continue to dodge and pretend the issue will go away on its own. Here's a hint, it won't. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are trying desperately to avoid admitting it.

So, pick one and explain why it's correct and the other one isn't. Here's where you redefine what words mean and try to claim both are right.

 

[ding]

What?

Because he forgave sins? Like anyone can and does forgive those who sin against them?


Lame.

The Gospel of Luke records several instances and claims where Jesus acts, speaks, or is described in ways that present Him as having divine authority and equality with God, such as forgiving sins, having power over nature, and accepting worship, leading to the understanding (especially in later Christian theology) of His divinity and fulfillment of prophecy. While some interpret these actions as Jesus demonstrating God's power through Him, others see them as direct claims of being God, with Luke presenting Jesus as Lord, Messiah, and Son of God.

The Gospel of John records Jesus making claims and performing actions that his Jewish contemporaries understood as claims of divinity, leading them to accuse him of blasphemy for making himself equal with God, such as calling God "My Father" and working on the Sabbath as God does. Key instances include Jesus stating, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am at work," and "The Father and I are one," asserting shared nature, works, power, and judgment with God.


The Gospel of Mark records Jesus performing actions and making statements that demonstrate divine authority, leading many to interpret these as claims to equality with God, such as forgiving sins (a power only God has), controlling nature, and accepting worship, culminating in his affirmation before the High Priest that he is the "Son of Man" coming on the clouds, which was understood as blasphemy and claiming divine status.

The Gospel of Matthew records Jesus performing actions and making claims that are interpreted as signs of divinity, such as accepting worship (Matt. 28:9, 17), claiming unique authority over the Law and judgment, and his resurrection.

 

[hobelim]

The Gospel of Luke records several instances and claims where Jesus acts, speaks, or is described in ways that present Him as having divine authority and equality with God, such as forgiving sins, having power over nature, and accepting worship, leading to the understanding (especially in later Christian theology) of His divinity and fulfillment of prophecy. While some interpret these actions as Jesus demonstrating God's power through Him, others see them as direct claims of being God, with Luke presenting Jesus as Lord, Messiah, and Son of God.

The Gospel of John records Jesus making claims and performing actions that his Jewish contemporaries understood as claims of divinity, leading them to accuse him of blasphemy for making himself equal with God, such as calling God "My Father" and working on the Sabbath as God does. Key instances include Jesus stating, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am at work," and "The Father and I are one," asserting shared nature, works, power, and judgment with God.


The Gospel of Mark records Jesus performing actions and making statements that demonstrate divine authority, leading many to interpret these as claims to equality with God, such as forgiving sins (a power only God has), controlling nature, and accepting worship, culminating in his affirmation before the High Priest that he is the "Son of Man" coming on the clouds, which was understood as blasphemy and claiming divine status.

The Gospel of Matthew records Jesus performing actions and making claims that are interpreted as signs of divinity, such as accepting worship (Matt. 28:9, 17), claiming unique authority over the Law and judgment, and his resurrection.

Listen ding, I get it.

You swallowed a bullshit story hook line and sinker and are too embarrassed to admit it even to yourself.

The wild beasts of the field must start drooling when they see you galumphing naked from a mile away.

Enjoy!

 

[BothWings]

Jesus says worship me or burn in hell. Sure thats a god of compassion

Jesus doesn't say that, the writers of the bible said that for the benefit of the aristocracy who hired them to do so. Obviously meek and gentle people who fear going to hell are going to be more obedient and easier to push around. That's why they told people that Jesus said if they are slapped they should offer their other cheek to be slapped too, and if you don't embrace these teachings you may not go to heaven. Sounds strikingly fundamentally similar to the sales pitches of most of our politicians when they want to get elected. Vote for me! Pay your taxes! Heaven awaits! If you don't, the world will surely go to shit.

 

[ding]

Listen ding I get it. You swallowed a bullshit story, hook line and sinker.

The wild beasts of the field must start drooling when they see you coming from a mile away.

No. You don't get it. The four gospels of the new testament make a concerted effort to show that Jesus is divine. You denying that is as equally stupid as you arguing Leviticus 18:22 isn't a command against men having anal sex with other men. You're a joke.

Maybe pick a new argument because this one isn't working for you.

 

[Hafar1014]

Jesus doesn't say that, the writers of the bible said that for the benefit of the aristocracy who hired them to do so. Obviously meek and gentle people who fear going to hell are going to be more obedient and easier to push around. That's why they told people that Jesus said if they are slapped they should offer their other cheek to be slapped too, and if you don't embrace these teachings you may not go to heaven. Sounds strikingly fundamentally similar to the sales pitches of most of our politicians when they want to get elected. Vote for me! Pay your taxes! Heaven awaits! If you don't, the world will surely go to shit.

Of course he does thats the whole purpose of original sin baptizing and hell.
He never said turn the other cheek. He said slap me on the right cheek and Ill turn the other (left) cheek. A slap in the right cheek is demeaning its backhand slap thats how you slap a slave. Translated into English he is say take you best shot because Im going to kick your ass. Jews were not pacifists. Its just another distortion by Christians.
Believe in Jesus or rot in hell a threat to compel obedience and in 100% conflict with Genesis which states the sin of one cant be extended to humanity

 

[hobelim]

No. You don't get it. The four gospels of the new testament make a concerted effort to show that Jesus is divine. You denying that is as equally stupid as you arguing Leviticus 18:22 isn't a command against men having anal sex with other men. You're a joke.

Maybe pick a new argument because this one isn't working for you.

Go find someone who gives a shit if you are so perverse you can't see any deeper meaning other than gay sex, like your celibate priesthood who does exactly what that Law forbids.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with sex, except forsaking natural relations with women.

 

[Hafar1014]

No. You don't get it. The four gospels of the new testament make a concerted effort to show that Jesus is divine. You denying that is as equally stupid as you arguing Leviticus 18:22 isn't a command against men having anal sex with other men. You're a joke.

Maybe pick a new argument because this one isn't working for you.

Leviticus does make homosexuality against the law but we dont live today by 4000 year old Jewish civil law. Leviticus is the word of man not God

 

[ding]

Go find someone who gives a shit if you are so perverse you can't see any deeper meaning other than man ass, like your celibate priesthood who does exactly what that Law forbids.

I like proving your interpretations are idiotic. It's so easy.

Tell me some more so I can Leviticus 18:22 them.

 

[hobelim]

A slap in the right cheek is demeaning its backhand slap thats how you slap a slave.

Exactly.

And people sought compensation in court. A slap on the face was an insult. Jesus saying turn the other cheek was not a teaching that believers should not defend themselves against violence, Jesus was citing Moses who said, life for life, limb for limb, eye for eye, etc. A slap on the face doesn't even make the list. it was more like saying sticks and stones etc.

 

[ding]

Leviticus does make homosexuality against the law but we dont live today by 4000 year old Jewish civil law. Leviticus is the word of man not God

How do you explain Israel not allowing same sex marriages to be performed in Israel?

 

[hobelim]

The four gospels of the new testament make a concerted effort to show that Jesus is divine.

So what. The story of Pinocchio makes a concerted effort to show that a puppet can become a real boy. But just like the Gospels, thats not what the story is actually about.

Damn. Is that the best you can do? Were you sound asleep every year in grade school?

 

[ding]

So what. The story of Pinocchio makes a concerted effort to show that a puppet can become a real boy. But just like the Gospels, that not what the story is actually about.

Damn. Is that the best you can do? Were you sound asleep every year in grade school?

So you are arguing a conspiracy while using the same texts as valid?

You aren't arguing the texts are lies, dummy. You are arguing the texts mean something else. Clearly these texts aren't saying what you are saying they are saying. You need to change your argument. That or I'll keep ass ******* your arguments. Your call. I'm good either way.

 

[hobelim]

You aren't arguing the texts are lies, dummy. You are arguing the texts mean something else.

Right!

I am saying that your interpretations of biblical texts are lies. Bread baked on human dung.

Good job!

Just like the story of Pinocchio, the moral teaching of the Gospels was never written down.

 

[hadit]

Listen ding, I get it.

You swallowed a bullshit story hook line and sinker and are too embarrassed to admit it even to yourself.

The wild beasts of the field must start drooling when they see you galumphing naked from a mile away.

Enjoy!

Actually, I'm pretty sure he just read the Word as it was written and didn't make up a bunch of stuff to comport with his preconceived ideas. You know, like most people will do.

 

[hobelim]

Actually, I'm pretty sure he just read the Word as it was written and didn't make up a bunch of stuff to comport with his preconceived ideas. You know, like most people will do.

You mean he never considered scientific, biological, and literary FACTS, not to mention reality, in his speculations when reading fantastical stories written in the Torah and the NT?

Thats pretty stupid but it explains everything!

Thanks.

 

[ding]

Right!

I am saying that your interpretations of biblical texts are lies. Bread baked on human dung.

Good job!

Just like the story of Pinocchio, the moral teaching of the Gospels was never written down.

Keep stating your ridiciulous interpretations. I'll keep blowing them out of the water. You chose poorly.

 

[hadit]

You mean he never considered scientific, biological, and literary FACTS, not to mention reality, in his speculations when reading fantastical stories written in the Torah and the NT?

Thats pretty stupid but it explains everything!

Thanks.

Keep claiming the creator can't control the creation.

Without Him was not anything made that was made, and you pretend He's not greater than what He created. Absolute rubbish.

 

[hobelim]

Keep claiming the creator can't control the creation.

Without Him was not anything made that was made, and you pretend He's not greater than what He created. Absolute rubbish.

I am not "claiming" that the creator can't control creation. I accept the creation that he has created the way it is and has always been for all of the inhabitants of the earth ever since life first appeared on this planet. You are the one claiming that God changed his mind, became human, abolished his own eternal Laws, and commanded people to practice idolatry, deceit, human sacrifice and sorcery (mind control which is equivalent to murder) which is ridiculous.

What you have failed to notice is that there is a rational way to explain every miracle, a way that conforms to and can be confirmed by the REALITY that God created which apparently YOU reject by deliberately pretending to believe in what is impossible to be literally true.

The power Jesus had, an ordinary Jewish man, was in his words, the words he received from my God like bread from heaven that became his flesh, his teaching, on the only right way to understand and comply with the Laws demands that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of Gods love, here on earth now, not after you die.

If you think 'pretending' is faith that will get you brownie points with my God, you got another thing coming because, in case you didn't notice, God, my God is in control of creation either granting or denying comprehension. You are a deceiver, idolator, sorcerer and murderer, so,

YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY

Unless you repent you will never enter the kingdom of heaven, and never is a very long time.