Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

John 5:24 emphasizes that salvation is a present reality based on faith in Christ's finished work - which you reject - not personal merit.

John 5:24 shows that unless you partake in the first resurrection before your body dies you will be always be subject to judgment according to your words and deeds. Thats should terrify you as fucked up as what you say and do is. However those who do rise while still in a body have already passed from death to life and are not subject to judgment, ever again. The 2nd death, the death of the body, cannot harm them. They will never know what it is to die.

Read it. AI isn't making you look smart or faithful. You look like a dumb actor and lying fraud.

There is no life in you. If there was even a spark of life in you you would have STFU long ago.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Here is another variation on this exact same question.......
will Messiah Yeshua - Jesus give to President Donald J. Trump the "Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden" so that President Donald J. Trump can fulfill the role of "Moshiach ben Yosef / Ephrayim?"

Or perhaps will Messiah Yeshua - Jesus choose somebody else to fulfill the role of "Messiah son of Joseph" who cannot necessarily walk on water or resurrect the dead with a simple prayer?

Zone1 Thread 'King Charles vs President Trump for Throne of "Moshiach ben Yosef?"'

Mar 4, 2026

In my opinion, although it is true that King Charles of England, is somewhat qualified to fulfill the role of "Moshiach ben Yosef - Ephrayim" I do believe that President Donald J. Trump is even more qualified than King Charles is?

Since I am Canadian, I should be in favour of King Charles for this role, but I feel that I must be intellectually honest at the minimum, and it does seem that even a significant number of Rabbi's in Israel are wondering if President Donald J. Trump could be "Moshiach ben Yosef" who is associated with the Latter day "Cyrus" by many Jewish scholars.

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• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Religion and Ethics

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So you don't feel Jesus was the Mashiach but Donald Trump may be?

 

[hobelim]

Here is another variation on this exact same question.......
will Messiah Yeshua - Jesus give to President Donald J. Trump the "Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden" so that President Donald J. Trump can fulfill the role of "Moshiach ben Yosef / Ephrayim?"

If God is God and the talking serpent was condemned by God from the beginning... Never. Trump is one of those "stars" that fall from the sky when the real Moshiach shows up, again.

 

[ding]

John 5:24 shows that unless you partake in the first resurrection before your body dies you will be always be subject to judgment according to your words and deeds. Thats should terrify you as fucked up as what you say and do is. However those who do rise while still in a body have already passed from death to life and are not subject to judgment, ever again. The 2nd death, the death of the body, cannot harm them. They will never know what it is to die.

Read it. AI isn't making you look smart or faithful. You look like a dumb actor and lying fraud.

There is no life in you. If there was even a spark of life in you you would have STFU long ago.

Says the guy who makes up everything to justify his perversions.

 

[ding]

Indeed. Salvation is a gift, not a wage.

It's not work if you love doing it.

 

[ding]

John 5:24 shows that unless you partake in the first resurrection before your body dies you will be always be subject to judgment according to your words and deeds. Thats should terrify you as fucked up as what you say and do is. However those who do rise while still in a body have already passed from death to life and are not subject to judgment, ever again. The 2nd death, the death of the body, cannot harm them. They will never know what it is to die.

Read it. AI isn't making you look smart or faithful. You look like a dumb actor and lying fraud.

There is no life in you. If there was even a spark of life in you you would have STFU long ago.

No. John 5:24 does not show that. John 5:24 emphasizes that salvation is a present reality based on faith in Christ's finished work - which you reject - not personal merit.

Key Aspects of John 5:24:

• The Condition: "Hears my word and believes him who sent me". This signifies trusting in Jesus as the messenger of God and the ultimate authority.
• The Promise: "Has eternal life". This is a present possession, not just a future hope.
• The Assurance:"Does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life". Believers are spared from final condemnation.

You are no believer. You pervert the word of God for your own selfish perversions.

 

[ding]

Thats should terrify you as fucked up as what you say and do is.

You look like a dumb actor and lying fraud.

There is no life in you. If there was even a spark of life in you you would have STFU long ago.

^^^^This is what it looks like when someone is trying too hard.

 

[hobelim]

John 5:24 emphasizes that salvation is a present reality based on faith in Christ's finished work - which you reject - not personal merit.

What you don't seem to realize is the story of the Christ has been from the beginning a story that was only half told to be completed, finished, in what was once a far off distant future.

 

[DennisPTate]

If God is God and the talking serpent was condemned by God from the beginning... Never. Trump is one of those "stars" that fall from the sky when the real Moshiach shows up, again.

Thank you for letting me know that you think this way. You would get along very well with my online friend near death experiencer Robert Mendelson who believes pretty much the same as you do regarding President Trump.

In 1992 Robert Mendelson had one of those near death experiences and was shown a plan for Shalom between Jewish Israelis and Palestinians based on the precedent of a Kingdom of Judah, [Southern Kingdom] and a Northern Kingdom of Israel - Samaria.

Thread 'God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land by near death experiencer Robert Mendelson.'

Dec 23, 2025

God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land by near death experiencer Robert Mendelson has already been translated into both Arabic as well as Hebrew from the original English.

I have spoken to Robert by phone and he speaks and writes like somebody who has multiple doctoral degrees. For example he could debate History, Economics, Spirituality, Philosophy and the subject of bringing Shalom to the Middle East with doctoral level professionals in all of those fields.

http://godspeaceplan.org/books-download-page/

Book DownloadsGod's Peace Plan for the Holy Land and Others...

• DennisPTate
• Replies: 42
• Forum: Israel and Palestine

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[ding]

What you don't seem to realize is the story of the Christ has been from the beginning a story that was only half told to be completed, finished, in what was once a far off distant future.

You've completely bastardized the NT to justify your perversions. You are not credible. Your interpretation of John 5:24 is a case in point. No where in John 5:24 does it show that unless you partake in the first resurrection before your body dies you will be always be subject to judgment according to your words and deeds. In fact, it says the exact opposite. John 5:24 says that believers already have eternal life and are spared from a final judgment.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life".

 

[ding]

What you don't seem to realize is the story of the Christ has been from the beginning a story that was only half told to be completed, finished, in what was once a far off distant future.

What "word" was Jesus referring to in John 5:24?

"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life".


In John 5:24, Jesus refers to his own teachings regarding his divine authority, his unity with the Father, and the message of salvation through faith in him. These "words" emphasize that hearing and believing in Him—the one sent by God—results in immediate spiritual life, passing from death to life.
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Key aspects of the words Jesus was talking about include:

• His Role as Savior: The message that He is the Son of God sent to bring eternal life, not just a teacher.
• The Message of Faith: Hearing and accepting his message as truth, leading to trust in God.
• The Promise of Transformation: The claim that those who believe are immediately transformed from a state of spiritual death to spiritual life.
• Freedom from Condemnation: The promise that believers will not come under judgment for their sins because that judgment was placed on Jesus.
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This passage comes in the context of Jesus defending his actions (healing on the Sabbath) and claiming equality with God, stating that his words are life-giving truth.

 

[hobelim]

What "word" was Jesus referring to in John 5:24?

"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life".

My Dear Sweet Dingbot,


If you heard and believed you wouldn't be an idolator unless sin is your deliberate choice.

And Jesus said this to people who still had bodies. And what of those who don't hear his word? They are judged according to their words and deeds when they die. It wasn't written down there but thats where the light of intelligence either illuminates or confounds. John 5:24 does not stand alone. Your hysterical responses show there is no light or life in you. Not even enough intelligence to put together the teachings of Jesus in a rational and coherent WAY.

Believing doesn't result in immediate spiritual life. Liar. Devils believe. "Belief" without works is as lifeless as a corpse without life, flesh without blood. Life is in the blood, in the doing.

And you have done nothing to save your soul from the deeper implications of present events.

But don't get me wrong! I fully support your right to toss your mind into Gehenna, a.k.a. Hell.



Love,

Secular Jesus

 

[ding]

My Dear Sweet Dingbot,


If you heard and believed you wouldn't be an idolator unless sin is your deliberate choice.

And Jesus said this to people who still had bodies. And what of those who don't hear his word? They are judged according to their words and deeds when they die. It wasn't written down there but thats where the light of intelligence either illuminates or confounds. John 5:24 does not stand alone. Your hysterical responses show there is no light or life in you. Not even enough intelligence to put together the teachings of Jesus in a rational and coherent WAY.

Believing doesn't result in immediate spiritual life. Liar. Devils believe. "Belief" without works is as lifeless as a corpse without life, flesh without blood. Life is in the blood, in the doing.

And you have done nothing to save your soul from the deeper implications of present events.

But don't get me wrong! I fully support your right to toss your mind into Gehenna, a.k.a. hell.



Love,

Secular Jesus

You haven't gotten one single thing right. You've completely bastardized the NT to justify your perversions. You are not credible. According to John 5:24 I already have eternal life and you are destined to be judged. You're a joke.

 

[hobelim]

According to John 5:24 I already have eternal life and you are destined to be judged.

lol, no.

I have already passed from death to life. If Jn 5:24 is true I am no longer subject to judgment.

According to the entire Bible, the OT, NT, and the dictionary, you are an idolator. This is irrefutable. You've already been judged. The evidence is that you're unaware of your demise.


I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very same day you first set aside the Law of my God and got down on your knees to worship a trinity that became a mangod, a perfect human sacrifice, WTF, and seek spiritual life from a matzo you died and descended into Gehenna, Hell Sheol, the realm of the dead.

YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY

 

[ding]

lol, no.

I have already passed from death to life. If Jn 5:24 is true I am no longer subject to judgment.

According to the entire Bible, the OT, NT, and the dictionary, you are an idolator. This is irrefutable. You've already been judged. The evidence is that you're unaware of your demise.


I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very same day you first set aside the Law of my God and got down on your knees to worship a trinity that became a mangod, a perfect human sacrifice, WTF, and seek spiritual life from a matzo you died and descended into Gehenna, Hell Sheol, the realm of the dead.

YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY

No. You haven't. You reject Jesus and thus you reject the one who sent him.

Jesus stated that those who reject him and do not accept his teachings will be judged on the last day by the very words he has spoken. He emphasized that his words hold the power of accountability, and by rejecting him, they are rejecting the one who sent him.

Key points regarding Jesus' words on rejection:

• Final Judgment: In John 12:48, Jesus states that the words he has spoken will be the judge for anyone who rejects him at the last day.
• Consequence of Rejection: He explained that rejecting his message implies a rejection of God himself.
• Direction to Disciples: Jesus instructed his disciples to shake the dust off their feet as a testimony against towns or individuals that refused to receive them or listen to his words (Matthew 10:14).
• Purpose: While he did not come to judge the world at his first coming, he emphasized that his teachings provide the standard by which people will be judged.

 

[ding]

According to the entire Bible, the OT, NT, and the dictionary, you are an idolator. This is irrefutable. You've already been judged. The evidence is that you're unaware of your demise.

Incorrect. You can't even admit that Leviticus 18:22 is command against men butt ******* other men.

 

[ding]

If Jn 5:24 is true I am no longer subject to judgment.

John 5:24 is true and it says you will be judged because you reject the words of Jesus.

John 12:48 says since you reject Jesus, you reject the one who sent him.

John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life".

John 12:24
The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

 

[ding]

I reject your trinity that became a supernatural mangod and perfect human sacrifice, derp, the Antichrist, so you won't be held accountable for YOUR sins as long as you throw Jesus under the bus.
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You reject that Jesus was just a man crucified as a "perfect human sacrifice" a Jewish man, the Messiah, to a trinity in the name of Mithras on the Mithran cross.

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John 5:24 is in the passage where Jesus claimed equality with God.

Yes, in John 5:16-24, Jesus claims equality with God by asserting that he performs the same works as the Father—specifically raising the dead and giving life. He further states in verse 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father, explicitly declaring his divine nature and authority.

Key aspects of Jesus's claim in this passage include:

• Unified Works: Jesus declares, "whatever the Father does, the Son also does in like manner" (John 5:19), suggesting a direct, functional equality with God.
• Divine Authority: He asserts the power to give life and execute judgment, roles traditionally reserved for God alone.
• Equal Honor: Jesus claims that failing to honor the Son is failing to honor the Father, demanding equal reverence.
• Reaction of Leaders: The context is the Jewish leaders wanting to kill him specifically because he was "making himself equal with God" by calling God his own Father (John 5:18).

 

[ding]

I reject your trinity that became a supernatural mangod and perfect human sacrifice, derp, the Antichrist, so you won't be held accountable for YOUR sins as long as you throw Jesus under the bus in the vain attempt to save your own ass from judgment for being a dick.

Pssst! It isn't working.
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You reject that the real Jesus was just a man crucified by Rome as a "perfect human sacrifice" a Jewish man, the Messiah, to a trinity in the name of Mithras on the Mithran cross.

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How do you explain Jesus claiming equality to God in John 5:16-24?

 

[ding]

I just want you to know that it makes me sad to know you will be digging your own grave for 1000 years going through life on earth over and over again never knowing what it is like to become a "living being".

How do you explain Jesus claiming equality to God in John 5:16-24?