Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

John 5:24 emphasizes that salvation is a present reality based on faith in Christ's finished work - which you reject - not personal merit.

John 5:24 shows that unless you partake in the first resurrection before your body dies you will be always be subject to judgment according to your words and deeds. Thats should terrify you as fucked up as what you say and do is. However those who do rise while still in a body have already passed from death to life and are not subject to judgment, ever again. The 2nd death, the death of the body, cannot harm them. They will never know what it is to die.

Read it. AI isn't making you look smart or faithful. You look like a dumb actor and lying fraud.

There is no life in you. If there was even a spark of life in you you would have STFU long ago.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Here is another variation on this exact same question.......
will Messiah Yeshua - Jesus give to President Donald J. Trump the "Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden" so that President Donald J. Trump can fulfill the role of "Moshiach ben Yosef / Ephrayim?"

Or perhaps will Messiah Yeshua - Jesus choose somebody else to fulfill the role of "Messiah son of Joseph" who cannot necessarily walk on water or resurrect the dead with a simple prayer?

Zone1 Thread 'King Charles vs President Trump for Throne of "Moshiach ben Yosef?"'

Today at 10:57 AM

In my opinion, although it is true that King Charles of England, is somewhat qualified to fulfill the role of "Moshiach ben Yosef - Ephrayim" I do believe that President Donald J. Trump is even more qualified than King Charles is?

Since I am Canadian, I should be in favour of King Charles for this role, but I feel that I must be intellectually honest at the minimum, and it does seem that even a significant number of Rabbi's in Israel are wondering if President Donald J. Trump could be "Moshiach ben Yosef" who is associated with the Latter day "Cyrus" by many Jewish scholars.

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• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Religion and Ethics

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So you don't feel Jesus was the Mashiach but Donald Trump may be?

 

[hobelim]

Here is another variation on this exact same question.......
will Messiah Yeshua - Jesus give to President Donald J. Trump the "Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden" so that President Donald J. Trump can fulfill the role of "Moshiach ben Yosef / Ephrayim?"

If God is God and the talking serpent was condemned by God from the beginning... Never. Trump is one of those "stars" that fall from the sky when the real Moshiach shows up, again.

 

[ding]

John 5:24 shows that unless you partake in the first resurrection before your body dies you will be always be subject to judgment according to your words and deeds. Thats should terrify you as fucked up as what you say and do is. However those who do rise while still in a body have already passed from death to life and are not subject to judgment, ever again. The 2nd death, the death of the body, cannot harm them. They will never know what it is to die.

Read it. AI isn't making you look smart or faithful. You look like a dumb actor and lying fraud.

There is no life in you. If there was even a spark of life in you you would have STFU long ago.

Says the guy who makes up everything to justify his perversions.

 

[ding]

Indeed. Salvation is a gift, not a wage.

It's not work if you love doing it.

 

[ding]

John 5:24 shows that unless you partake in the first resurrection before your body dies you will be always be subject to judgment according to your words and deeds. Thats should terrify you as fucked up as what you say and do is. However those who do rise while still in a body have already passed from death to life and are not subject to judgment, ever again. The 2nd death, the death of the body, cannot harm them. They will never know what it is to die.

Read it. AI isn't making you look smart or faithful. You look like a dumb actor and lying fraud.

There is no life in you. If there was even a spark of life in you you would have STFU long ago.

No. John 5:24 does not show that. John 5:24 emphasizes that salvation is a present reality based on faith in Christ's finished work - which you reject - not personal merit.

Key Aspects of John 5:24:

• The Condition: "Hears my word and believes him who sent me". This signifies trusting in Jesus as the messenger of God and the ultimate authority.
• The Promise: "Has eternal life". This is a present possession, not just a future hope.
• The Assurance:"Does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life". Believers are spared from final condemnation.

You are no believer. You pervert the word of God for your own selfish perversions.

 

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Thats should terrify you as fucked up as what you say and do is.

You look like a dumb actor and lying fraud.

There is no life in you. If there was even a spark of life in you you would have STFU long ago.

^^^^This is what it looks like when someone is trying too hard.

 

[hobelim]

John 5:24 emphasizes that salvation is a present reality based on faith in Christ's finished work - which you reject - not personal merit.

What you don't seem to realize is the story of the Christ has been from the beginning a story that was only half told to be completed, finished, in what was once a far off distant future.

 

[DennisPTate]

If God is God and the talking serpent was condemned by God from the beginning... Never. Trump is one of those "stars" that fall from the sky when the real Moshiach shows up, again.

Thank you for letting me know that you think this way. You would get along very well with my online friend near death experiencer Robert Mendelson who believes pretty much the same as you do regarding President Trump.

In 1992 Robert Mendelson had one of those near death experiences and was shown a plan for Shalom between Jewish Israelis and Palestinians based on the precedent of a Kingdom of Judah, [Southern Kingdom] and a Northern Kingdom of Israel - Samaria.

Thread 'God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land by near death experiencer Robert Mendelson.'

Dec 23, 2025

God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land by near death experiencer Robert Mendelson has already been translated into both Arabic as well as Hebrew from the original English.

I have spoken to Robert by phone and he speaks and writes like somebody who has multiple doctoral degrees. For example he could debate History, Economics, Spirituality, Philosophy and the subject of bringing Shalom to the Middle East with doctoral level professionals in all of those fields.

http://godspeaceplan.org/books-download-page/

Book DownloadsGod's Peace Plan for the Holy Land and Others...

• DennisPTate
• Replies: 42
• Forum: Israel and Palestine

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What you don't seem to realize is the story of the Christ has been from the beginning a story that was only half told to be completed, finished, in what was once a far off distant future.

You've completely bastardized the NT to justify your perversions. You are not credible. Your interpretation of John 5:24 is a case in point. No where in John 5:24 does it show that unless you partake in the first resurrection before your body dies you will be always be subject to judgment according to your words and deeds. In fact, it says the exact opposite. John 5:24 says that believers already have eternal life and are spared from a final judgment.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life".

 

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What you don't seem to realize is the story of the Christ has been from the beginning a story that was only half told to be completed, finished, in what was once a far off distant future.

What "word" was Jesus referring to in John 5:24?

"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life".


In John 5:24, Jesus refers to his own teachings regarding his divine authority, his unity with the Father, and the message of salvation through faith in him. These "words" emphasize that hearing and believing in Him—the one sent by God—results in immediate spiritual life, passing from death to life.
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Key aspects of the words Jesus was talking about include:

• His Role as Savior: The message that He is the Son of God sent to bring eternal life, not just a teacher.
• The Message of Faith: Hearing and accepting his message as truth, leading to trust in God.
• The Promise of Transformation: The claim that those who believe are immediately transformed from a state of spiritual death to spiritual life.
• Freedom from Condemnation: The promise that believers will not come under judgment for their sins because that judgment was placed on Jesus.
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This passage comes in the context of Jesus defending his actions (healing on the Sabbath) and claiming equality with God, stating that his words are life-giving truth.