Zone1 Just a nonconfrontational discussion.

[ding]

I'm not religious, but I would imagine it is the democrats obsession with destroying religion.

That's part of it. But there's also the perception that the traditional nuclear family is under attack as well. That Democrats want to redefine the standard for the nuclear family.

 

[ding]

Those don't seem to be reason why specifically religious people support trump so strongly. A much wider range of people would use those reasons.

It's the main reason he peeled of Democrat voters and won.

 

[martybegan]

What is he doing to limit the Pride agenda?

He won't increase it, that's for sure.

He will stop the Department of Ed from mandating women allow men on their sports teams.

The rest has to be done at the State level, and they vote for that as well.

 

[westwall]

Informative but has nothing to do with religious based support for trump.

You are stuck on a faulty premise. Trump won because he flipped MORE democrats than any repub before him.

You should ask yourself why democrats would leave the plantation.

But that requires some honesty on your part.

You up to it?

 

[BULLDOG]

You have to consider that even though they may be Evangelicals its not a single issue thing with them.
Abortion is probably one, support for Israel, what they percieve as an attack on family might be another.
Meaning parental consent or influence over their own school children.
Probably though there are many other things that cross lines with other demographics.

Obviously there is a wide range of reasons why trump won. I'm just asking for specific religious related reasons CChristians are willing to support him.

 

[1srelluc]

Being an agnostic I don't have a dog in the religious race but I suspect the faithful voted for Trump for the same reason I did.....To unfuck what the dems have done to our country.

That and I figured they thought, well, he's not like us but does not hate us like the dems do.

 

[Meriweather]

If you’ve read my posts, my opinion of trump should be quite obvious. However, the voters have spoken. My opinion is in the minority. A large part of trump’s support is from Christians/ evangelicals.

I don’t understand that but I would like to. Obviously, Democrats are doing something wrong. Here is your chance to say what that is. Not so long ago, Bill Clinton’s affair with an aid had the Christian community in an uproar. It was often said that our leaders had to have high moral standards, and Clinton’s affair was just not acceptable. The right claimed moral superiority. They even called themselves the Moral majority. However, trump’s multiple dalliances and ethical standards don’t seem to be a problem. It’s not my intention to argue why I don’t think trump is moral enough to deserve support. I just want to understand why so many religious people think he is. What has he done for the religious community to deserve such overwhelming support? I could start a confrontational name calling thread another time. This isn't the place for that. Keep it civil

The election has little--perhaps even nothing--to do with religion. Look at the exit polls. People voted for the person they felt could right the economy, lower inflation, restore the border, and reduce crime. Who would express him/herself better with other world leaders? Who has the most energy? Who thinks well of the country and its people?

 

[BULLDOG]

That's not why he won though. He won because of crossover votes from Democrats. Which is exactly how he won in 2016. Trump is in the office because of Democrats.

I've repeatedly asked you to stay on subject. If you don't know what that subject is then read the OP.

 

[westwall]

That's part of it. But there's also the perception that the traditional nuclear family is under attack as well. That Democrats want to redefine the standard for the nuclear family.

Democrats are now Marxists, thus they demand the family and religion be destroyed so that Marxist ideology can replace them.

 

[ding]

You are mistaken. I'm not arguing anything. I just want a discussion as to why.

But you are. You are arguing that evangelicals are hypocrites for supporting Trump on the grounds of morality. You even used Bill Clinton as an example of their hypocrisy. So don't pretend like you aren't making an argument here.

There will be 30% of each spectrum that will look the other way no matter what. So if you think this hypocrisy is one sided, you aren't being objective.

 

[ding]

I've repeatedly asked you to stay on subject. If you don't know what that subject is then read the OP.

I am staying on subject. You just don't like me lifting up the curtain. And no, it has not been repeatedly. This is the second time. And just like the first time I said I am staying on subject. You are making all kinds of implied arguments that are incorrect; the evangelicals are responsible for Trump winning which is false. Only evangelicals are hypocrites for excusing poor behaviors which is false because there is a faction from both sides that do that.

 

[westwall]

I've repeatedly asked you to stay on subject. If you don't know what that subject is then read the OP.

He IS on subject! Your premise is flawed!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I never said it was all about religious right wingers. I am curious as to why they support him so strongly.

Trump repented of his sins. If anyone cares about his sins.. He is seen as a person that will protect the rights of Christians and Jews in a times when those rights are under attack.

Clinton didn't merely have affairs. He abused the women. He lied about an affair with a young and vulnerable girl. The lie was to gain an advantage in a civil case by yet another woman. The judge found that perjury so reprehensible she disbarred Clinton. This wasn't the end end of the sleaze. He systematically destroyed Monica Lewinsky's life. He destroyed her reputation, impugned her integrity and used his influence to interfere in employment. He made her name a verb.

So, no. There's no comparison between Trump’s harmless alliances and Clinton's evil.

 

[BULLDOG]

I agree that the evangelical vote, for the most part, went to Trump. But you have to also acknowledge that the even larger non-evangelical vote had more impact on this election. Just by sheer numbers alone, Harris should've won by a landslide - right?
The pro-abortion and gay rights stance that Democrats usually run on is obviously the reason that Christians usually vote Republican.

A wide range of groups elected trump. Each group had their own specific reasons and shared other reasons with other groups. This discussion isn't about all those different groups.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If you’ve read my posts, my opinion of trump should be quite obvious. However, the voters have spoken. My opinion is in the minority. A large part of trump’s support is from Christians/ evangelicals.

I don’t understand that but I would like to. Obviously, Democrats are doing something wrong. Here is your chance to say what that is. Not so long ago, Bill Clinton’s affair with an aid had the Christian community in an uproar. It was often said that our leaders had to have high moral standards, and Clinton’s affair was just not acceptable. The right claimed moral superiority. They even called themselves the Moral majority. However, trump’s multiple dalliances and ethical standards don’t seem to be a problem. It’s not my intention to argue why I don’t think trump is moral enough to deserve support. I just want to understand why so many religious people think he is. What has he done for the religious community to deserve such overwhelming support? I could start a confrontational name calling thread another time. This isn't the place for that. Keep it civil

The point of Bill Clinton's affair was not that Bill Clinton had an affair. Sadly that is very common, so much so that when we had a president who was squeaky clean in that regard, it was seen as unusual.

What put the right in an uproar was that Bill Clinton had taken advantage of a very young intern, literally ejaculated into her mouth, when he was president of the United States. This at a time when the Feminist movement and the Democrats who supported it was in constant moral outrage over the things like a boss complimenting his secretary on her appearance or a manager asking an assistant manager on a date. Yet they loved Bill Clinton and never criticized him. They ridiculed anyone who did.

The Democrat's answer was "but look how well the economy is doing!" and they had a very good point. We could argue about how, but the economy was strong under the Clinton presidency, and we don't know if it would have been if Bush the Elder had gotten a second term.

So, the Democrats lost any firm ground from which to launch an attack based on "your guy doesn't follow your morals!"

What has Trump done for the religious commmunity? How about recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel by moving the U.S. embassy there? Something previous presidents of both parties had promised, but on which Trump delivered.

He made it possible for states to restrict abortion.

He opposes the movement to let males in women and girls' sports, locker rooms and bathrooms.

I'm not positive, but I imagine he opposes giving hormones and surgeries to underage children in an attempt to change or confirm or whatever the lastest phrase is, their gender.

Would I rather he be a very moral man in his private life? Sure. I'd wish that of any man, including Joe and Hunter Biden. But given how few men can truly be called moral, I'll take the immoral one who puts America first.

 

[Thunk]

A much wider range of people would use those reasons.

And they did.

It wasn't only religious people who supported Trump.

Kinda like your assumption on wild bill clinton.

It wasn't the affair that got him impeached...it was the perjury.

 

[BULLDOG]

A better question is what has the Democratic Party done to deserve the support of blacks and Jews?

A better question is why you are trying to divert this thread
reported.

 

[ding]

A better question is why you are trying to divert this thread
reported.

I'm not.

 

[BULLDOG]

I am on subject. Your OP seems to imply evangelicals are the reason Trump won and that just isn't the case.

Never said they were the reason I said they were a large part of his support/

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm not religious, but I would imagine it is the democrats obsession with destroying religion.

And what specifically has trump done to prevent the destruction of religion?