Zone1 Jesus' CONCEPTION (not birth) during Hanukkah / Christmas

because the Romans who gave the world Jesus did not understand the original concepts or worse they did and enjoyed playing jokes on their slaves and subjects take your pick…
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All true except this part. The Romans PERSECUTED the followers of Jesus (Yeshua).

You are deceived by the God of this world. And you believe the Roman Catholic cult represents Christianity. It does not. Like you, they are sincere people, but they don't follow the Christ of the Bible
 
The Roman Empire PERSECUTED His followers, as did the Jews.

Later when Constantine "converted" to what became the Roman Catholic Church, they still persecuted God's True Church
Look Carl I am not here to argue with you claiming the Jews persecuted anyone was the Romans shifting the blame at a later date even if your premise has some merit the persecution people of the Jewish fate had forced on them for the last couple of millennia from Christianity far outshone whatever perceived persecution Jews are accused of …further the word Church I hate to burst your bubble stems from the goddess Kirk or Circe who was the daughter of Helios and she was the one who turned Ulysses men into swine you can see her symbol still on many a church’s front door …Further the seven sister churches are in reference to the seven Pleiades in the constellations showing their pagan origins.. I could go on but you must be specific as to what you are referring to as a “ Church”
 
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All true except this part. The Romans PERSECUTED the followers of Jesus (Yeshua).

You are deceived by the God of this world. And you believe the Roman Catholic cult represents Christianity. It does not. Like you, they are sincere people, but they don't follow the Christ of the Bible
If you are going to claim the name Yeshua Y being an H and U a V in Hebrew then you have the name Hashev keep that in mind and keep in mind that Jesus is not a real name nor does it refer to any one person but a legion of them putting the Swine part and Legion in a whole new perspective…
 
Look Carl I am not here to argue with you claiming the Jews persecuted anyone was the Romans shifting the blame at a later date even if your premise has some merit the persecution people of the Jewish fate had forced on them for the last couple of millennia from Christianity far outshone whatever perceived persecution Jews are accused of …further the word Church I hate to burst your bubble stems from the goddess Kirk or Circe who was the daughter of Helios and she was the one who turned Ulysses men into swine you can see her symbol still on many a church’s front d areoor …Further the seven sister churches are in reference to the seven Pleiades in the constellations showing their pagan origins.. I could go on but you must be specific as to what you are referring to as a “ Church”
You know this is a discussion board don't you? Some of you make statements I disagree with and now you don't want me to challenge you?

Sorry if you think your ideas can't be challenged here.

I'm doing my very best to STAY ON TOPIC. I think I'm doing pretty well.
I challenge everyone -- Catholics, Protestants, JWs, and Mormons. Why should Jewish beliefs be off limits -- especially when you mock my God?
 
Nah, they were just borrowing many cultures devotion to Baal's birthday on Dec 25th, and since they were plagiarizing the Baal Mythology (like the death scene, then the dying son (morning star) mythology surpassing or masking his father on the throne borrows the same date as father and son are one (in the same mythology).
Don't believe me? Look at the end of the Roman joke where the punchline sits REV 22:16 JESUS IS CLAIMED BAAL'S SON the Morning Star (look it up)-

Baal’s birthday December 25 th when the physical sun/ son in the sky dies( stops moving darkest days of the year) for three days and then is reborn as it starts to move again on the 25 th of December… Showing that instead of following spiritual light which is truth and knowledge one third of mankind follows and worships luciferean light or a physical light because the Romans who gave the world Jesus did not understand the original concepts or worse they did and enjoyed playing jokes on their slaves and subjects take your pick… There were 16 crucified Saviors all based on plagerizing the same story line and each had a different name Jesus just being the last in a line of many…

They should have realized he can't be the "ONLY" BEGOTTEN son of Yhwh who's begotten son is David, but the only begotten of Baal was the morning star soooooo.......

It should be pointed out that many of the figures were combined and the time frames are off because of it and no one figure was singular we see this in the Saul/Paul ( Sol/sun , Paul/apple character for example as well…. Quite frankly there is historical precedence in this as the Romans were notorious for taking other cultures gods such as the Greeks and claiming them as their own and giving them Roman names it or titles..Even JC or Julias Caesar and JC Jesus Christ and on and on Eu tu Brutai( Brutus turning on his friend and Judas) etc etc..

Fake news would be the “ good news” found in the gospels yes you are correct about that but not as you thought or wanted portrayed eh Buttercup…

She inadvertantly called her own text fake news,😄 because that's what I posted in reference and source.

I was truly hoping we could finally have ONE thread in this section where there is civility, goodwill, and a genuine discussion of the actual topic, but evidently my expectations were too high.

If you guys actually want to discuss the things you posted, please start a new thread, because that's not the topic here. Not only is it off topic, but it's clear that you've been purposely trying to derail this thread with your tag team anti-christian trollish posts. Don't get me wrong. If you actually do want to discuss those things, there are people here who would have that discussion with you, but that's not the topic of this thread. So please feel free to start a new thread. Thanks. And Happy Hanukkah!
 
If you actually do want to discuss those things, there are people here who would have that discussion with you, but that's not the topic of this thread
I do! They don't!
But like you, I'd appreciate it if they actually kept with the thread topic and deal with my Isiah 9 "question".
 
Why should Jewish beliefs be off limits -- especially when you mock my God?

or for that matter those who claim monotheism ...

their claim of tablets etched in the heavens, the liar moses - found in all three desert religions proves all three religions as deceptions for any of their claims of heavenly personifications which have not occurred for any of them - for the lies made by the jews and substantiated by the other two.

the initiation of monotheism particularly the hereditary idolatry of abraham in favoritism by that deity than the heavens is a convolution of judaism in particular.
 
Well, Jesus birthday aside, the Maccabee War occurred nearly 200 years before Jesus birth so any correlation doesn't seem to add up. Hanukah really is it's own celebration not at all related to Jesus.

Ok, I'm finally getting back to this. Yes, the backstory of Hanukkah has to do with the Maccabee revolt, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have any prophetic meaning. God can use any physical event to point toward a future spiritual truth, and the entire bible is filled with examples of foreshadowing and prophetic events.

God is able to orchestrate all sorts of things, because God is sovereign over everything.

It's no coincidence that Jesus was very likely conceived during the time of Hanukkah, because that means it has a deeper spiritual significance. It was the darkest time of the year, and Jesus is called the Light of the World, and Hanukkah is also called the Festival of Lights.

And the only time Hanukkah is mentioned in the entire bible (as far as I've seen) is actually in the New Testament, when Jesus Himself observes Hanukkah. Not only that, but at that time was when He made a very strong statement that He is the Messiah. (John 10:22-30)

There's actually much more to be said about this, but I think others can do a better job explaining it than I can. So I'll try to find a video or article about the connection between Jesus (Yeshua) and Hanukkah.


Hanukkah is literally translated into "dedication" and it is referring to the uprising of the Jews against the Syrian-Greeks who had at one time allowed Jews to practice their religion but were now trying to clamp down, Hellenists trying to have them worship false G-ds and engage in general idiolatry, a serious in in Judaism.

This war was fought and won by the Jewish Freedom Fighters referred to as the Maccabees. Often endeared with the phrase "the light overcoming the darkness". They restored the temple which the pagans had destroyed and continued their practices without fear of being killed for their beliefs.

Some interesting debates, of which there are countless in the Talmud and within the Jewish community; apparently, according to a well known Rabbi in Jerusalem who I listen to often, the oil for the menorah was only supposed to last for one day, but ended up lasting for eight. Hence the eight days of lighting, though he suggests that in historical books on this period, it was not a literal event but a symbolic based on the details so the oil story doesn't seem to be a literal, but that's just his statement based on his readings.

Also, according to these historical documents/books which dissect this historical period, pieced together, the war continued for 25 years though it isn't always taken to be that length by the modern follower. I have read from different sources that it lasted from 7-40 years. This is the challenge with history which was often spread by word of mouth in that time.

I'm not sure about the relevance to Jesus who wouldn't be born for nearly two centuries if my memory is correct. Neither the two should overlap though I suppose you could associate one with the other. This isn't new though is it? This is why it is safe to refer to the period as the "Holidays".

Yes, as I said, it doesn't matter that the physical aspect of it was an event that occurred before the time of Jesus, because the whole point is that it has prophetic significance. Do you disagree that God is able to orchestrate things in advance?

Anyway, not all Christians agree with my view that Jesus was conceived in late December, during the time of Hanukkah / Christmas. I'm not claiming that this is a standard Christian view. But a lot of times, one has to dig deeper, in order to see all the cool foreshadowings in the bible and physical events that has prophetic meaning. I hope that made sense to you.
 
I already celebrate it TWICE a year; fantastic if I get to celebrate a third time!! Merry Christmas, Buttercup!! (RC and Orthodox)

Greg

Haha, I'm going to do the same, because why not celebrate Jesus' birth AND conception. :) Merry Christmas to you too (it's still Christmas here in the US, even though I think it's already tomorrow where you are) and Happy Hanukkah! 🕎
 
Interesting, and seems credible. But personally not a big deal for me, as a Christian. What I mean by that: hardcore secularists think it's a big slam to say 'oh yeah, Jesus wasn't born on Christmas...'. I think almost all adults know that. It's meant to be an acknowledgement of the event, not an exact marker.

I don't think there's anything wrong with conjecturing on a birthday for Jesus....it just doesn't matter that much to me if that makes sense.

I get that. Honestly I don't want to be one of those people who speaks against Christmas due to it being the wrong birthdate and the pagan influences. But that said... as the years go by and the more I learn, the more I've been leaning towards believing that God does care about things like this, for a number reasons. And not just with this particular topic, but in general I think we need to be careful about not elevating tradition above truth.

But don't get me wrong... As of now I believe we can still celebrate Jesus coming into this world during this time of year, because in my view Jesus was conceived at this time. I just wanted to share what I've come to believe, because I found it very interesting, how all the signs and times related to when Jesus came into this world have significance.
 
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It's no coincidence that Jesus was very likely conceived during the time of Hanukkah, because that means it has a deeper spiritual significance. It was the darkest time of the year, and Jesus is called the Light of the World, and Hanukkah is also called the Festival of Lights
Someday we're going to learn that He was conceived at the very moment they were lighting the candles. That's my belief anyway

 
Someday we're going to learn that He was conceived at the very moment they were lighting the candles. That's my belief anyway


Once again Carl you are mistaken candles were not used till much later on like the 8 th century they used oil back then the only thing going on regarding the idol Jesus was a CON (a really big one) Ception by the Romans…Besides incest is frowned upon esp impregnating one’s mother according to the beliefs taught about his supposed conception…
 
Once again Carl you are mistaken candles were not used till much later on like the 8 th century
You don't seem very honest.
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If you place your idol/ Jesus in places he does not belong in the jewish scriptures or anywhere else as you were told to in the new testament then keeping an even playing field we can do the same thing are you sure you want to keep up that charade it might get nasty for you as well as embarrassing …
Are you ignorant or a liar? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you're playing with the definition of a candle so as to not give up any ground in this "debate"
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Are you ignorant or a liar? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you're playing with the definition of a candle so as to not give up any ground in this "debate"
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Don’t be daft Carl Oil with a wick was what was used candles only became popular much later afterwards and it was more of a pagan or Roman custom…
 
If you place your idol/ Jesus in places he does not belong as you were told to in the new testament then keeping an even playing field we can do the same thing are you sure you want to keep up that charade it might get nasty for you as well as embarrassing …

It's not a charade, the things I've stated on this thread are my sincere beliefs based on looking deeper into the topic of when Jesus was conceived and born.

It's not my intent to offend anyone, but I can understand how my statement that there's a connection between Jesus and Hanukkah could be offensive, to those who celebrate Hanukkah but reject Jesus. Here's the thing though. Even though I don't want to offend anyone, I do want to get to the actual truth, because truth should always be paramount. This doesn't mean that we all have to agree. People can have different ideas about what is true, and that's OK. And disagreement doesn't have to go hand in hand with nastiness or hostility. Like I said earlier on the thread, I was hoping we could have at least one thread in this section that is civil and stays at least mostly on topic. Anyway, I gotta get going now, but I'll try to get back to this thread later.
 
If you place your idol/ Jesus in places he does not belong in the jewish scriptures or anywhere else as you were told to in the new testament then keeping an even playing field we can do the same thing are you sure you want to keep up that charade it might get nasty for you as well as embarrassing …

Every year, on Christmas and Easter, the haters make themselves known.
 
If you place your idol/ Jesus in places he does not belong in the jewish scriptures or anywhere else as you were told to in the new testament then keeping an even playing field we can do the same thing are you sure you want to keep up that charade it might get nasty for you as well as embarrassing …
Hillel: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do unto your friend, the rest [of the Torah] is commentary, go and learn.”

Ethics of the Fathers: The world stands on three things: the study of Torah, prayers and kindness to others.

Rabbi Becher: What Hillel is saying is that if conducted our lives such that every decision we made and every step we took, we always took into account our “friends”, meaning G-d, the soul, and the other person, we would be fulfilling the entire Torah. Everything in the Torah is a commentary on how to live your life with a sensitivity toward all three of our relationships.
 
Every year, on Christmas and Easter, the haters make themselves known.
So now posting the NT for what it says is hateful simply because they or you lie about the text or don't read it properly in context? Hate is a harsh word for removing the veil and or refining with refiners fire (turning up the heat of judgement).
Lastly you are to despise Satan (the hinderer and adversary) and The image made by Rome now called Jesus is that hinderance to the Shiloh and the false imposter temple in Rome is a hinderance to the Mikdash and equal rights to mediate for mankind.
 
but I can understand how my statement that there's a connection between Jesus and Hanukkah could be offensive, to those who celebrate Hanukkah but reject Jesus
Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them
 
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