Zone1 Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?

[The Irish Ram]

Well,... Then according to Your Belief Irish,.....A Majority of Scripture should be redacted, because they are lies.

Oh no you don't. Never have I called scripture lies. And you know it. You are twisting in the wind.

I call you the deceiver, like right now, thusly:
"If you are correct that souls merely sleep, then the whole story about the rich man and the beggar is a lie. Which is it"?"
The scripture is right. You are wrong.

"If you are correct, they must have had to dig Moses up to attend the transfiguration".
Was Moses at the transfiguration? Yes. Did scripture lie? No. You are simply wrong.

I have to ask, how do you deal with scripture that doesn't gel with your beliefs? Do you just ignore it?
Fit Luke 16:19-31 into your opinion that the soul sleeps with the body when we die.

It's you vs Paul:
2 Corinth.5:8 We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it.

You vs Moses:
Genesis 35:18 And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she (Rachel) called his name Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You are referring to end time prophesy, which is what is coming. We are seeing the birth pangs happening now.

Do you believe that all Christians have to be murdered or oppressed to enter Heaven? If Christ is to be believed, my father wasn't murdered or oppressed, and is in Heaven as we speak.

If you live through the Great Tribulation as a Christian you will very likely be killed. Pray for strength to endure to the (your) end. If you die before then thank God for His mercy

The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil.
Those who walk uprightly
enter into peace;
they find rest as they lie in death

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Did they wake Moses up to appear at the transfiguration?
Paul seems to think you are wrong So, again:
2 Corith.5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
If you know where Jesus is, then that's where we go.

Read about the rich man carried by angels to Abraham's Bosom. Not a soul was sleeping.

I don't want to argue with you about it his, I consider you a sister. But my beliefs are much closer to Truthseeker than yours.

Here is the theory that believe concerning the Transfiguration. And yes, I also believe Moses and Elijah sleep in the grave awaiting the Return

 

[The Irish Ram]

It's ok to debate the issues, with respect, because I am your sister in Christ, and I'm fond of you.

Having said that. Jesus went up the mountain with 3 disciples. And they witnessed the whole thing. There is no mention of time travel, or time collapsing, or standing still when the event took place. The disciples witnessed it in real time. The event that happened didn't involve just Jesus, Moses, and Elijah. The disciples took part in it, here on earth, on the same mountain. God spoke directly to them, and terrified them.
And if it was a collapse in time, did Moses and Elijah go back to dead after the meeting concluded? Would that be a second death for Moses? And the Bible doesn't say Elijah died. It said He was taken to heaven in a whirlwind. Is he sleeping in the ground on earth, or is he in heaven? You say ground. The Bible says Heaven. How do you reconcile the two? Couldn't it have happened just the way the Bible said it did, without adding any alternate explanation?

The Bible says it is for every man to die once. If Moses and Elijah are the two prophets that are killed and revived 3 and 1/2 days later, how many deaths do they have to endure? And yet if it is for every man to die once according to the Bible, 2 humans have not done that yet. Enoch and Elijah. The Bible says those two went to Heaven.

And if we sleep until we are called, what do you do with Luke16:19-31? Scripture goes further to explain that those souls in Abraham's Bosom came back to earth with Jesus, and stayed for 40 days and were seen by many. How was the rich man able to talk to Abraham, if Abraham was sleeping in his tomb? I need you to explain that to me.

 

[ninja007]

Irish, explain how Today's "Christians" are so far more "Special", than "The Believers" that refused to give up their Faith,& Worship the Roman Emperors/Other Gods, which resulted in their being put to death.

Per Your "Understanding of the Scriptures",..... Why weren't those "Believers", & those that came after them, who also were put to death,.... Why weren't they "Whisked up to Heaven"?

dispensations- today its the grace dispensation; those who are saved before the rapture go to meet Jesus in Heaven.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Oh no you don't. Never have I called scripture lies. And you know it. You are twisting in the wind.

I call you the deceiver, like right now, thusly:
"If you are correct that souls merely sleep, then the whole story about the rich man and the beggar is a lie. Which is it"?"
The scripture is right. You are wrong.

"If you are correct, they must have had to dig Moses up to attend the transfiguration".
Was Moses at the transfiguration? Yes. Did scripture lie? No. You are simply wrong.

I have to ask, how do you deal with scripture that doesn't gel with your beliefs? Do you just ignore it?
Fit Luke 16:19-31 into your opinion that the soul sleeps with the body when we die.

It's you vs Paul:
2 Corinth.5:8 We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it.

You vs Moses:
Genesis 35:18 And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she (Rachel) called his name Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.

Many Scriptures have been posted herein this topic, regarding a "Pre-trib Rapture", not happening, & yet You deny them, &/or ignore them. Matter of Fact,.... The Messiah in Matthew 24: explicitly stated:
Mat 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?”
Mat 24:4 Jesus answered them, “Be careful that no one leads you astray.
Mat 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you aren’t troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in various places.
Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.
Mat 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake.
Mat 24:10 Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate one another.
Mat 24:11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many will grow cold.
Mat 24:13

There is No "Gathering/Harvest" of the "Saints/Chosen Ones" till here:

The Coming of the Son of Man
Mat 24:29 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
Mat 24:30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 He will send out his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

"I call you the deceiver",......... Frankly Irish, in My Stand for The Truth about "The Way" of The Messiah,.... In Your desperation for upholding something that is not Scriptural,...You can call me whatever you want, BUT,..... When You Deny what The Messiah, The Apostle John, & The Prophets clearly stated,..... Who is the "Deceiver"?
"If you are correct, they must have had to dig Moses up to attend the transfiguration". LOL! HE Who Created Adam & Eve out of Dust, did not dig up Moses Irish. And since he wanted Moses
Mat_17:3 Behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them talking with him.
Mat_17:4 Peter answered, and said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you want, let’s make three tents here: one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”

You forgot to mention Elijah, who was taken up to Heaven, but,... That act, also was not the "Harvest/Gathering of the Saints".:

2Ki 2:1 When Yahweh was about to take Elijah up by a whirlwind into heaven, Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

2Ki 2:11 As they continued on and talked, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated them, and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

"I have to ask, how do you deal with scripture that doesn't gel with your beliefs? Do you just ignore it?"

Since You've Assumed that there are Scriptures that don't "Gel with My Beliefs",.... Specifically, & Truthfully what Scriptures are You referring to?

And Know This irish,...... There is, will be, Only One Kingdom of Heaven, here on Earth, & what Prophets Ezekiel , & Jeremiah speak of many things that will be done in The Kingdom, that many a "Christian", will object to.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I don't want to argue with you about it his, I consider you a sister. But my beliefs are much closer to Truthseeker than yours.

Here is the theory that believe concerning the Transfiguration. And yes, I also believe Moses and Elijah sleep in the grave awaiting the Return

Carl,... You just post a Mind Boggling Truth about who Moses & Elijah spoke with on the Mountain.

Jhn_10:30 I and the Father are one.”

Isa 40:25 “To whom then will you liken me? Who is my equal?” says the Holy One. (WEB Bible)

Isa 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shal I be equall, saith the Holy One? (KJV 1611)

Isa 40:28 Haven’t you known? Haven’t you heard? The everlasting God, Yahweh, The Creator of the ends of the earth, doesn’t faint. He isn’t weary. His understanding is unsearchable.

Isa 42:5 Thus says God Yahweh, he who created the heavens and stretched them out, he who spread out the earth and that which comes out of it, he who gives breath to its people and spirit to those who walk in it.
Isa 45:11 Yahweh, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker says: “You ask me about the things that are to come, concerning my sons, and you command me concerning the work of my hands!
Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man on it. I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens; and I have commanded all their army.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Isa 41:4 Who has worked and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I, Yahweh, the first, and with the last, I am he.”

Isa 44:6 This is what Yahweh, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Yahweh of Armies, says: “I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God. (WEB)
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the king of Israel and his redeemer the Lord of hostes, I am the first, and I am the last, and besides me there is no God. (KJV 1611)

Rev_1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, “Don’t be afraid. I am the first and the last,
Rev_2:8 “To the angel of the assembly in Smyrna write: “The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life says these things:

Rev_22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Isa 41:14 Don’t be afraid, you worm Jacob, and you men of Israel. I will help you,” says Yahweh, “and your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel. (WEB)
Isa 41:14 Feare not, thou worme Iacob, and ye men of Israel: I will helpe thee, saith the Lord, and thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel. (KJV 1611)
Isa 41:16 You will winnow them, and the wind will carry them away, and the whirlwind will scatter them. You will rejoice in Yahweh. You will glory in the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 42:8 “I am Yahweh. That is my name. I will not give my glory to another, nor my praise to engraved images.

Isa 43:1 But now Yahweh who created you, Jacob, and he who formed you, Israel says: “Don’t be afraid, for I have redeemed you. I have called you by your name. You are mine.

Isa 43:3 For I am Yahweh your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I have given Egypt as your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in your place. (WEB)

Isa 43:3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy one of Israel, thy Sauiour: I gaue Egypt for thy ransome, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. (KJV 1611)

Isa 43:15 I am Yahweh, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King.” (WEB)
Isa 43:15 I am the Lord, your Holy one, the Creatour of Israel, your King. (KJV 1611)
Isa 45:5 I am Yahweh, and there is no one else. Besides me, there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not known me;
Isa 45:6 that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is no one besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no one else. (WEB)
Isa 45:6 That they may knowe from the rising of the Sun, and from the West, that there is none besides me, I am the Lord, and there is none else. (KJV 1611)
Isa 45:17 Israel will be saved by Yahweh with an everlasting salvation. You will not be disappointed nor confounded to ages everlasting.
Isa 45:18 For Yahweh who created the heavens, the God who formed the earth and made it, who established it and didn’t create it a waste, who formed it to be inhabited says: “I am Yahweh; and there is no other. (WEB)
Isa 45:17 But Israel shall bee saued in the Lord with an euerlasting saluation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heauens, God himselfe that formed the earth and made it, hee hath established it, he created it not in vaine, he formed it to be inhabited, I am the Lord, and there is none else. (KJV 1611)
Isa 45:21 Declare and present it. Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has shown this from ancient time? Who has declared it of old? Haven’t I, Yahweh? There is no other God besides me, a just God and a Savior; There is no one besides me.
Isa 45:22 “Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself. The word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and will not be revoked, that to me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath.
Isa 45:24 They will say of me, ‘There is righteousness and strength only in Yahweh.’” Even to him shall men come; and all those who raged against him shall be disappointed.
Isa 45:25 All the offspring of Israel will be justified in Yahweh, and will rejoice!

Isa 45:21 Tell ye and bring them neere, yea let them take counsell together, who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? Haue not I the Lord ? and there is no God else beside me, a iust God and a Sauiour, there is none beside me.
Isa 45:22 Looke vnto mee, and be ye saued all the endes of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 I haue sworne by my selfe: the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousnes, and shall not returne, that vnto me euery knee shall bowe, euery tongue shall sweare.
Isa 45:24 Surely, shall one say, In the Lord haue I righteousnesse and strength: euen to him shall men come, and all that are incensed against him, shalbe ashamed.
Isa 45:25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be iustified, and shall glory.

Rom_14:11 For it is written, “‘As I live,’ says the Lord, ‘to me every knee will bow. Every tongue will confess to God.’”

Php_2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

dispensations- today its the grace dispensation; those who are saved before the rapture go to meet Jesus in Heaven.

That doesn't fall in line with The Scriptures.

 

[Mashmont]

The Messiah didn't Teach anything about being "Raptured Up/Out/Away"!! Nor did the Apostle John!

Signs of the End of the Age
Mat 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?”
Mat 24:4 Jesus answered them, “Be careful that no one leads you astray.
Mat 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you aren’t troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in various places.
Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.
Mat 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake.
Mat 24:10 Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate one another.
Mat 24:11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many will grow cold.
Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end, the same will be saved.
Mat 24:14 This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
The Abomination of Desolation
Mat 24:15 “When, therefore, you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Mat 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mat 24:17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take out the things that are in his house.
Mat 24:18 Let him who is in the field not return back to get his clothes.
Mat 24:19 But woe to those who are with child and to nursing mothers in those days!
Mat 24:20 Pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on a Sabbath,
Mat 24:21 for then there will be great oppression, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.
Mat 24:22 Unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved. But for the sake of the chosen ones, those days will be shortened.
Mat 24:23 “Then if any man tells you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There,’ don’t believe it.
Mat 24:24 For there will arise false christs, and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones.
Mat 24:25 “Behold, I have told you beforehand.
Mat 24:26 If therefore they tell you, ‘Behold, he is in the wilderness,’ don’t go out; ‘Behold, he is in the inner rooms,’ don’t believe it.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning flashes from the east, and is seen even to the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:28 For wherever the carcass is, that is where the vultures gather together.
The Coming of the Son of Man
Mat 24:29 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
Mat 24:30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 He will send out his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had.
Rev 6:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
Rev 6:11 A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course.


Rev 13:6 He opened his mouth for blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his dwelling, those who dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 It was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. Authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation was given to him.
Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed.
Rev 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

Rev 13:14 He deceives my own people who dwell on the earth because of the signs he was granted to do in front of the beast; saying to those who dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast who had the sword wound and lived.
Rev 13:15 It was given to him to give breath to it, to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause as many as wouldn’t worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Rev 13:16 He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads;
Rev 13:17 and that no one would be able to buy or to sell, unless he has that mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Rev 20:1 I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were finished. After this, he must be freed for a short time.
Rev 20:4 I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead didn’t live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years.

Catholics

The Messiah didn't Teach anything about being "Raptured Up/Out/Away"!! Nor did the Apostle John!

Signs of the End of the Age
Mat 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?”
Mat 24:4 Jesus answered them, “Be careful that no one leads you astray.
Mat 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you aren’t troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in various places.
Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.
Mat 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake.
Mat 24:10 Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate one another.
Mat 24:11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many will grow cold.
Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end, the same will be saved.
Mat 24:14 This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
The Abomination of Desolation
Mat 24:15 “When, therefore, you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Mat 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mat 24:17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take out the things that are in his house.
Mat 24:18 Let him who is in the field not return back to get his clothes.
Mat 24:19 But woe to those who are with child and to nursing mothers in those days!
Mat 24:20 Pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on a Sabbath,
Mat 24:21 for then there will be great oppression, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.
Mat 24:22 Unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved. But for the sake of the chosen ones, those days will be shortened.
Mat 24:23 “Then if any man tells you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There,’ don’t believe it.
Mat 24:24 For there will arise false christs, and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones.
Mat 24:25 “Behold, I have told you beforehand.
Mat 24:26 If therefore they tell you, ‘Behold, he is in the wilderness,’ don’t go out; ‘Behold, he is in the inner rooms,’ don’t believe it.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning flashes from the east, and is seen even to the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:28 For wherever the carcass is, that is where the vultures gather together.
The Coming of the Son of Man
Mat 24:29 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
Mat 24:30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 He will send out his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had.
Rev 6:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
Rev 6:11 A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course.


Rev 13:6 He opened his mouth for blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his dwelling, those who dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 It was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. Authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation was given to him.
Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed.
Rev 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

Rev 13:14 He deceives my own people who dwell on the earth because of the signs he was granted to do in front of the beast; saying to those who dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast who had the sword wound and lived.
Rev 13:15 It was given to him to give breath to it, to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause as many as wouldn’t worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Rev 13:16 He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads;
Rev 13:17 and that no one would be able to buy or to sell, unless he has that mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Rev 20:1 I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were finished. After this, he must be freed for a short time.
Rev 20:4 I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead didn’t live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years.

Rapture is non biblical. Catholics don’t believe in it. Nor do most Protestants. It is a construct that has only been around 100 years or so

 

[Mashmont]

Not biblical.

The Messiah didn't Teach anything about being "Raptured Up/Out/Away"!! Nor did the Apostle John!

Signs of the End of the Age
Mat 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?”
Mat 24:4 Jesus answered them, “Be careful that no one leads you astray.
Mat 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you aren’t troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in various places.
Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.
Mat 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake.
Mat 24:10 Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate one another.
Mat 24:11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many will grow cold.
Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end, the same will be saved.
Mat 24:14 This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
The Abomination of Desolation
Mat 24:15 “When, therefore, you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Mat 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mat 24:17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take out the things that are in his house.
Mat 24:18 Let him who is in the field not return back to get his clothes.
Mat 24:19 But woe to those who are with child and to nursing mothers in those days!
Mat 24:20 Pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on a Sabbath,
Mat 24:21 for then there will be great oppression, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.
Mat 24:22 Unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved. But for the sake of the chosen ones, those days will be shortened.
Mat 24:23 “Then if any man tells you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There,’ don’t believe it.
Mat 24:24 For there will arise false christs, and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones.
Mat 24:25 “Behold, I have told you beforehand.
Mat 24:26 If therefore they tell you, ‘Behold, he is in the wilderness,’ don’t go out; ‘Behold, he is in the inner rooms,’ don’t believe it.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning flashes from the east, and is seen even to the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:28 For wherever the carcass is, that is where the vultures gather together.
The Coming of the Son of Man
Mat 24:29 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
Mat 24:30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 He will send out his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had.
Rev 6:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
Rev 6:11 A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course.


Rev 13:6 He opened his mouth for blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his dwelling, those who dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 It was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. Authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation was given to him.
Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed.
Rev 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

Rev 13:14 He deceives my own people who dwell on the earth because of the signs he was granted to do in front of the beast; saying to those who dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast who had the sword wound and lived.
Rev 13:15 It was given to him to give breath to it, to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause as many as wouldn’t worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Rev 13:16 He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads;
Rev 13:17 and that no one would be able to buy or to sell, unless he has that mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Rev 20:1 I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were finished. After this, he must be freed for a short time.
Rev 20:4 I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead didn’t live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years.

The most devout Christians voted Trump.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Catholics

Rapture is non biblical. Catholics don’t believe in it. Nor do most Protestants. It is a construct that has only been around 100 years or so

I Disagree Mashmont,..... The Vast majority of "Christians" on TV, TBN, The "700 Club", Joel Osteen, & Other "Christian Platform's", as well as the many "Christian Churches" in my area, are zealously awaiting their being whisked up to heaven.

And,..... They, in the majority, will quickly give up their "Faith", once they physically see that the "Little Horn"/"Antichrist" will kill all that refuse to Worship him.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

The Seven Seals
Rev 6:1 I saw that the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying, as with a voice of thunder, “Come and see!”
Rev 6:2 And behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow. A crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.
Rev 6:3 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come!”
Rev 6:4 Another came out, a red horse. To him who sat on it was given power to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another. There was given to him a great sword.
Rev 6:5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, “Come and see!” And behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a balance in his hand.
Rev 6:6 I heard a voice in the middle of the four living creatures saying, “A choenix of wheat for a denarius, and three choenix of barley for a denarius! Don’t damage the oil and the wine!”
Rev 6:7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see!”
Rev 6:8 And behold, a pale horse, and he who sat on it, his name was Death. Hades followed with him. Authority over one fourth of the earth, to kill with the sword, with famine, with death, and by the wild animals of the earth was given to him.

Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed for the Word of God, and for the testimony of the Lamb which they had.
Rev 6:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
Rev 6:11 A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course.

Rev 6:12 I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake. The sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became as blood.
Rev 6:13 The stars of the sky fell to the earth, like a fig tree dropping its unripe figs when it is shaken by a great wind.
Rev 6:14 The sky was removed like a scroll when it is rolled up. Every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 The kings of the earth, the princes, the commanding officers, the rich, the strong, and every slave and free person, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains.
Rev 6:16 They told the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
Rev 6:17 for the great day of his wrath has come; and who is able to stand?”

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Not biblical.

The most devout Christians voted Trump.

That is True Mashmont, but,.... I have to ask,.... Are they True Believers in The "Messiah"/"Christ", or, are they "Christian" in Name only?