Zone1 Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?

But YOU do not identify as a "Christian" do you?
No. I do not identify subscribe to or believe in any known religion. I worship and believe in an unknown God that never became a sacrificial Jewish mangod and doesn't give a crap about what you eat, what you wear, hairdos, or sexual preferences of consenting adults.


I think that celebrating that Jesus, an innocent man, died for YOUR sins is reprehensible.
 
No. I do not identify subscribe to or believe in any known religion. I worship and believe in an unknown God that never became a sacrificial Jewish mangod and doesn't give a crap about what you eat, what you wear, hairdos, or sexual preferences of consenting adults.


I think that celebrating that Jesus, an innocent man, died for YOUR sins is reprehensible.

Wow!

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Your loved ones & friends who have "passed on" are not waiting for anything. When Jesus said to the good thief on the cross, "today you will be with me in paradise" he said TODAY, not when you wake up at the end of time itself. Time ended for them on the day they died.

The dead who are sleeping in the grave are the dead that died defying the law of God.

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very day some bastard told you to get down on your knees, admit you were a sinning piece of shit, beg God for forgiveness for being human, and accept the Antichrist as your god and savior your died and descended into the netherworld, Sheol, the realm of the dead.

If you can't grasp how worshipping Jesus as if he was God is idolatry then it is all of you "believers" who need to rise from the dead before time runs out. What are you waiting for?

Where is your "faith"?
You need either some serious mental help, or, an "Exorcism" Hobelim
 
Your loved ones & friends who have "passed on" are not waiting for anything. When Jesus said to the good thief on the cross, "today you will be with me in paradise" he said TODAY, not when you wake up at the end of time itself. Time ended for them on the day they died.

The dead who are sleeping in the grave are the dead that died defying the law of God.

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very day some bastard told you to get down on your knees, admit you were a sinning piece of shit, beg God for forgiveness for being human, and accept the Antichrist as your god and savior your died and descended into the netherworld, Sheol, the realm of the dead.

If you can't grasp how worshipping Jesus as if he was God is idolatry then it is all of you "believers" who need to rise from the dead before time runs out. What are you waiting for?

Where is your "faith"?
"What are you waiting for?",

To see You on the News, being chased around by Medical Professionals carrying a net. :auiqs.jpg:
 
The return of Christ to the earth doesn't negate the Rapture. Where do you get that?

The 'end of the age' and the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth doesn't negate the Rapture. Where do you get that?

Why is the Rapture not Biblical?

Quantrill
"Why is the Rapture not Biblical?"

Because No Where in The Scriptures is it written that Multiple millions of people representative of thousands of different Sects of "Christianity", will be taken up to heaven to sit out the most horrific time in all of Mankind's History.

Matter of fact,... Only a remnant of Mankind, will receive their "Spiritual Bodies", & rise up to meet The Messiah, & His Angels, in the air, where upon All return to Earth, make War upon the "Little Horn /Antichrist", and after defeating him, & his armies, ....

The KIngdom of Heaven is established here on Earth.
 
"Why is the Rapture not Biblical?"

Because No Where in The Scriptures is it written that Multiple millions of people representative of thousands of different Sects of "Christianity", will be taken up to heaven to sit out the most horrific time in all of Mankind's History.

Matter of fact,... Only a remnant of Mankind, will receive their "Spiritual Bodies", & rise up to meet The Messiah, & His Angels, in the air, where upon All return to Earth, make War upon the "Little Horn /Antichrist", and after defeating him, & his armies, ....

The KIngdom of Heaven is established here on Earth.

The Rapture is Biblical. (1 Thess. 4:13-18)

You place the Rapture at a different time. That doesn't negate the Rapture.

Yes, the Kingdom of Heaven will be established on earth. That doesn't negate the Rapture.

Quantrill
 
I'm not disputing that The "Believers" will be caught up in the Air JGalt, for they will but, They will meet The messiah in the air, & then promptly come down to Earth with him, participate in the Battle of Armageddon, & then establish The Kingdom of Heaven,... Here on earth.

But No Where in The Scriptures is it written that they all just go up to Heaven, & escape The Tribulation.
The rapture takes place in 1/100's of a second. How is that enough time to attend the Beams Seat of Christ and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, (both take place in Heaven and the Bride is required to attend) and where are all the white horses we ride behind Christ's white horse when God say's it's time? Who delivers all of those horses to us in less than a split second if you are correct? And our white linen robes we will be wearing when we return with Christ. Where do we get them?

If you are right, then these scriptures are lies:

1Thess. 1:10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

1Thess. 5-9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him
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The rapture takes place in 1/100's of a second. How is that enough time to attend the Beams Seat of Christ and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, (both take place in Heaven and the Bride is required to attend) and where are all the white horses we ride behind Christ's white horse when God say's it's time? Who delivers all of those horses to us in less than a split second if you are correct? And our white linen robes we will be wearing when we return with Christ. Where do we get them?

If you are right, then these scriptures are lies:

1Thess. 1:10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

1Thess. 5-9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him
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God's wrath and the tribulation are two entirely different things. It is God's wrath that Christians will not experience... but we will go through the tribulation.
 
The Rapture is Biblical. (1 Thess. 4:13-18)

You place the Rapture at a different time. That doesn't negate the Rapture.

Yes, the Kingdom of Heaven will be established on earth. That doesn't negate the Rapture.

Quantrill
I do not dispute this.

The Coming of the Lord (WEB Bible)


1Th 4:13 But we don’t want you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning those who have fallen asleep, so that you don’t grieve like the rest, who have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
1Th 4:15 For this we tell you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God’s trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first,
1Th 4:17 then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever.
But One Verse Doctrine, does not make a Truth. When will a Trumpet be sounded? What happened prior to the Last Trumpet?

Signs of the End of the Age
Mat 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?”
Mat 24:4 Jesus answered them, “Be careful that no one leads you astray.
Mat 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you aren’t troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in various places.
Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.
Mat 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake.
Mat 24:10 Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate one another.
Mat 24:11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many will grow cold.
Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end, the same will be saved.
Mat 24:14 This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The Abomination of Desolation
Mat 24:15 “When, therefore, you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Mat 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mat 24:17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take out the things that are in his house.
Mat 24:18 Let him who is in the field not return back to get his clothes.
Mat 24:19 But woe to those who are with child and to nursing mothers in those days!
Mat 24:20 Pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on a Sabbath,
Mat 24:21 for then there will be great oppression, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.
Mat 24:22 Unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved. But for the sake of the chosen ones, those days will be shortened.
Mat 24:23 “Then if any man tells you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There,’ don’t believe it.
Mat 24:24 For there will arise false christs, and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones.
Mat 24:25 “Behold, I have told you beforehand.
Mat 24:26 If therefore they tell you, ‘Behold, he is in the wilderness,’ don’t go out; ‘Behold, he is in the inner rooms,’ don’t believe it.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning flashes from the east, and is seen even to the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:28 For wherever the carcass is, that is where the vultures gather together.

The Coming of the Son of Man
Mat 24:29 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
Mat 24:30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 He will send out his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
 
The rapture takes place in 1/100's of a second. How is that enough time to attend the Beams Seat of Christ and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, (both take place in Heaven and the Bride is required to attend) and where are all the white horses we ride behind Christ's white horse when God say's it's time? Who delivers all of those horses to us in less than a split second if you are correct? And our white linen robes we will be wearing when we return with Christ. Where do we get them?

If you are right, then these scriptures are lies:

1Thess. 1:10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

1Thess. 5-9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him
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"How is that enough time to attend the Beams Seat of Christ and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, (both take place in Heaven and the Bride is required to attend)"

Are You questioning what The Almighty LORD GOD can do Irish?


"then these scriptures are lies:"

I admit that the "Oral Law Canonizers" of the Tanach/O.T., & the Catholic Canonizers of the N.T., & Bible, removed/didn't include "Works" that were Inspired by The Almighty GOD, and, that they added, "Books", and/or added to "Works" additional verses & words, which one could call "Lies", BUT,..... I Believe that a great deal of Your Misunderstanding Irish, is that You base Your Belief on a handful of Scriptures that appeal to You, .... Instead of including All of them.



It's very similar to putting together a 20,000 piece puzzle,...... You can not determine what the puzzle looks like, just by looking at a few pieces.
 
Instead of being "Raptured Up/Out",...... Per many Scriptures, Life here on Earth will have no equal regarding the Horror that will fall upon All of Mankind.

Like the countless number of Believers, that were persecuted, hunted down, and "Martyred" by Rome, The Catholic church, Islam, & more,......

If You Truly Believe in the Messiah & His Way, You will have to Fight, or Flee, but,..... In either case, it is Prophesied of that You will be overcome.




 
God's wrath and the tribulation are two entirely different things. It is God's wrath that Christians will not experience... but we will go through the tribulation.

Why?

Is not the Tribulation called the 'Time of Jacobs Trouble'? (Jer. 30:7) Is not Jacob Israel?

Didn't God deliver all His people from the Flood? Enoch He raptured out. (Gen. 5:24) And Methuselah, the oldest believer, died the year of the flood. (Gen. 5:27) And Noah and his family were brought through the flood.

Thus you have a picture of the Rapture, and the 144,000 Jews protected during the Tribulation.

The Tribulation period is for Israel and the unbelieving world. Not the Church.

Something to consider.

Quantrill
 
"How is that enough time to attend the Beams Seat of Christ and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, (both take place in Heaven and the Bride is required to attend)"

Are You questioning what The Almighty LORD GOD can do Irish?
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No, I am questioning your ability to grasp what the God Almighty can do vs what He does do. The Bride marries the bride groom in Heaven. When did the bride show up all at once in Heaven to be married?

Christ fulfilled Jewish Law. The marriage takes place in the groom's house, not the bride's house.
 
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Matter of fact,... Only a remnant of Mankind, will receive their "Spiritual Bodies", & rise up to meet The Messiah, & His Angels, in the air, where upon All return to Earth, make War upon the "Little Horn /Antichrist", and after defeating him, & his armies
Then what are all those beheaded humans who refused to get the mark doing up in Heaven, under God's alter, asking him to avenge them?
Paul is right. Absent from the body is present with the Lord. Much of Christ's army is already up there. The rapture rounds up the rest.
A Jewish wedding supper usually lasts a week.
 
The graves opening up at the rapture is exactly the same thing that happened when Christ was on the cross. Certain graves opened up and when Christ returned with those in Abraham's Bosom they were reunited with their mortal bodies, made incorruptible:
Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

The next time that that happens, those still living in Christ will also be caught up in the air with the bodies and are in Heaven in less time than it takes light to reach the retina.
There would be no need for us to return on white horses, with Christ, if we are already here on the last day of the tribulation. And the BEMA Seat of Christ in Heaven would never take place for those left alive at the end of the war. It takes place in Heaven, not in the air.

Chronologically it goes, rapture, Bema Seat, Marriage Supper, white horses, white linen robes, return to earth to rule and reign over what is left of mankind.
^ This is not a time of roses and cotton candy here on earth. Christ rules for 1,000 years with an iron rod. Satan has been restrained for 1,000 years, but it doesn't mean sin is forgotten by those who practiced it regularly before Christ ended the war. In fact, it gets so bad that Christ releases Satan and that is when the shit really hits the fan. This time Satan, his followers, (fallen angels, demons, humans) are defeated, and are judged at the White Throne Judgment and eternally dispatched to the Lake of Fire, joined by death and hell.
And then the earth will know peace and God will descend to earth and set up Heaven here and He will live with His children.
 
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No, I am questioning your ability to grasp what the God Almighty can do vs what He does do. The Bride marries the bride groom in Heaven. When did the bride show up all at once in Heaven to be married?

Christ fulfilled Jewish Law. The marriage takes place in the groom's house, not the bride's house.
I Believe that You need to study The Scriptures more Irish.
 
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God's wrath and the tribulation are two entirely different things. It is God's wrath that Christians will not experience... but we will go through the tribulation.
Yes. And the Day of the Lord is not the Tribulation. It is GOD'S vengeance on those who persecuted His People.
 
God's wrath and the tribulation are two entirely different things. It is God's wrath that Christians will not experience... but we will go through the tribulation.

How does the Bride escape God's wrath? If the followers of Christ are not appointed to His wrath, how is God going to protect the Bride from starving to death, pestilences, spoiled water, sun blotted out, freezing to death, nuclear holocaust, beheading. Those things take place 3and 1/2 years into the tribulation. Those things are the reason Christ comes back. If we aren't taken out of the mess, we will be treated just like the unrighteous. And that would make God unjust.

But we are promised the Bema Judgment, where all of our deeds, done for Jesus' sake, are refined. It happens up there.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work
^Bema Seat. We are His reward. How nice is that. Then He rewards us.
And we are going to have a coronation, and receive our rewards, our crowns to lay at His feet.
And the marriage. We are His betrothed. The marriage would be incomplete if we, the living in Christ, aren't a part of the Bride. That also takes place in Heaven. In the groom's home.

Revelation 19:8
At the Marriage Supper of the Lamb the church will, “be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints”. It's what we will be wearing upon our return with him.

Rev.19:14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.​



Pre/mid/post is controversial. Everyone has their own opinion of when these things take place, and it's ok to share the different views. We don't agree on this, but we agree on most of what the Bible teaches us. Enough to know we're sisters in Christ.:smiliehug:
 
Those things are the reason Christ comes back. If we aren't taken out of the mess, we will be treated just like the unrighteous
Yes, but who told you the Christian ENTERING the Great Tribulation will survive to the end?

Didn't He promise YOU be delivered up TO BE KILLED by those who think they do God's service?

Steven didn't escape. Peter didn't escape. Those fed to the lions didn't escape.

Even the Two Witnesses are destined to die. But IN the Process of their preaching, NEW CHRISTIANS will be begotten. They will see His Return. And YOU will also be AWAKENED on that day
 
Yes, but who told you the Christian ENTERING the Great Tribulation will survive to the end?

Didn't He promise YOU be delivered up TO BE KILLED by those who think they do God's service?

Steven didn't escape. Peter didn't escape. Those fed to the lions didn't escape.

Even the Two Witnesses are destined to die. But IN the Process of their preaching, NEW CHRISTIANS will be begotten. They will see His Return. And YOU will also be AWAKENED on that day
No one, to the first question. In fact, most don't.

The Church is removed before God's wrath. Here is the Greek describing the rapture in scripture as:
(ἐκ) and harpazo (ἁρπάζω) key Greek words in New Testament eschatology, particularly concerning the Rapture, with harpazo meaning "to snatch" or "catch up" as in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Woe to those that come to Christ after the rapture. Some are described as being in Heaven under God's alter, (Paul was correct. They will also go straight up) clamoring for vengeance. And woe to the Jews.

No, God never promised that I would be delivered up to anybody except Christ. I am not planing to be murdered for Christ sake, but just like Ester, if I perish, I perish. Most Christians die a natural death or an accidental death without being fed to lions, Carl.

Jews and others, after the rapture and after listening to the 144,000 Messianic Jews, and seeing the 2 prophets die and come back to life, will turn to Christ. They will also be in grave danger until Christ returns. Lots will be beheaded.

My soul is going to Heaven, and will receive crowns, and be married in the groom's house. Not on earth, not in the air. Then, waiting to return with Christ to stop mankind from destroying all life on earth as soon as God says, "Go".
Want me to wake you when we come back? :heehee:
 
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