Zone1 Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?

[Quantrill]

Yes, but who told you the Christian ENTERING the Great Tribulation will survive to the end?

Didn't He promise YOU be delivered up TO BE KILLED by those who think they do God's service?

Steven didn't escape. Peter didn't escape. Those fed to the lions didn't escape.

Even the Two Witnesses are destined to die. But IN the Process of their preaching, NEW CHRISTIANS will be begotten. They will see His Return. And YOU will also be AWAKENED on that day

The Christian doesn't enter the Tribulation.

Stephen wasn't in the Tribulation. Peter wasn't in the Tribulation.

No, once the Church is raptured out, there will be no more 'Christians'. Others will be saved during the Tribulation, but they are not part of the Church. They are the 'tribulation saints'.

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[TruthSeeker112125]

How does the Bride escape God's wrath? If the followers of Christ are not appointed to His wrath, how is God going to protect the Bride from starving to death, pestilences, spoiled water, sun blotted out, freezing to death, nuclear holocaust, beheading. Those things take place 3and 1/2 years into the tribulation. Those things are the reason Christ comes back. If we aren't taken out of the mess, we will be treated just like the unrighteous. And that would make God unjust.

But we are promised the Bema Judgment, where all of our deeds, done for Jesus' sake, are refined. It happens up there.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work”
^Bema Seat. We are His reward. How nice is that. Then He rewards us.
And we are going to have a coronation, and receive our rewards, our crowns to lay at His feet.
And the marriage. We are His betrothed. The marriage would be incomplete if we, the living in Christ, aren't a part of the Bride. That also takes place in Heaven. In the groom's home.

Revelation 19:8
At the Marriage Supper of the Lamb the church will, “be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints”. It's what we will be wearing upon our return with him.

Rev.19:14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.​

Pre/mid/post is controversial. Everyone has their own opinion of when these things take place, and it's ok to share the different views. We don't agree on this, but we agree on most of what the Bible teaches us. Enough to know we're sisters in Christ.

Irish, explain how Today's "Christians" are so far more "Special", than "The Believers" that refused to give up their Faith,& Worship the Roman Emperors/Other Gods, which resulted in their being put to death.

Per Your "Understanding of the Scriptures",..... Why weren't those "Believers", & those that came after them, who also were put to death,.... Why weren't they "Whisked up to Heaven"?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

No one, to the first question. In fact, most don't.

The Church is removed before God's wrath. Here is the Greek describing the rapture in scripture as:
(ἐκ) and harpazo (ἁρπάζω) key Greek words in New Testament eschatology, particularly concerning the Rapture, with harpazo meaning "to snatch" or "catch up" as in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Woe to those that come to Christ after the rapture. Some are described as being in Heaven under God's alter, (Paul was correct. They will also go straight up) clamoring for vengeance. And woe to the Jews.

No, God never promised that I would be delivered up to anybody except Christ. I am not planing to be murdered for Christ sake, but just like Ester, if I perish, I perish. Most Christians die a natural death or an accidental death without being fed to lions, Carl.

Jews and others, after the rapture and after listening to the 144,000 Messianic Jews, and seeing the 2 prophets die and come back to life, will turn to Christ. They will also be in grave danger until Christ returns. Lots will be beheaded.

My soul is going to Heaven, and will receive crowns, and be married in the groom's house. Not on earth, not in the air. Then, waiting to return with Christ to stop mankind from destroying all life on earth as soon as God says, "Go".
Want me to wake you when we come back?

Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.
Mat 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake.
Mat 24:10 Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate one another.
Mat 24:11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many will grow cold.

Mat 24:21 for then there will be great oppression, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.
Mat 24:22 Unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved. But for the sake of the chosen ones, those days will be shortened.

Mat 24:29 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
Mat 24:30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 He will send out his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

2Th 2:1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you
2Th 2:2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, and not be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as if from us, saying that the day of Christ has already come.
2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Th 2:4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God.
2Th 2:5 Don’t you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

The Christian doesn't enter the Tribulation.

Stephen wasn't in the Tribulation. Peter wasn't in the Tribulation.

No, once the Church is raptured out, there will be no more 'Christians'. Others will be saved during the Tribulation, but they are not part of the Church. They are the 'tribulation saints'.

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Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that once you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “uncircumcision” by that which is called “circumcision”, (in the flesh, made by hands);
Eph 2:12 that you were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off are made near in the blood of Christ.

Eph 3:6 that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of his promise in Christ Jesus through the Good News,

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.

Isa 14:1 For Yahweh will have compassion on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land. The foreigner will join himself with them, and they will unite with the house of Jacob.

Rev 21:9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were loaded with the seven last plagues came, and he spoke with me, saying, “Come here. I will show you the wife, the Lamb’s bride.”
Rev 21:10 He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, as if it were a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 having a great and high wall; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

 

[Quantrill]

Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that once you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “uncircumcision” by that which is called “circumcision”, (in the flesh, made by hands);
Eph 2:12 that you were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off are made near in the blood of Christ.

Eph 3:6 that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of his promise in Christ Jesus through the Good News,

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.

Isa 14:1 For Yahweh will have compassion on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land. The foreigner will join himself with them, and they will unite with the house of Jacob.

Rev 21:9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were loaded with the seven last plagues came, and he spoke with me, saying, “Come here. I will show you the wife, the Lamb’s bride.”
Rev 21:10 He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, as if it were a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 having a great and high wall; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

So what? Just posting a bunch of Scriptures means nothing.

But it does mean you hope no one can see you don't know what you're talking about.

Gee, I could quote the whole Bible and make people think I am so smart. Big deal! Means nothing.

Put your 'spin' on it. Show us how you pervert the Scripture.

Such a coward.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.
Mat 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake.
Mat 24:10 Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate one another.
Mat 24:11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many will grow cold.

Mat 24:21 for then there will be great oppression, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.
Mat 24:22 Unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved. But for the sake of the chosen ones, those days will be shortened.

Mat 24:29 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
Mat 24:30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 He will send out his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

2Th 2:1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you
2Th 2:2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, and not be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as if from us, saying that the day of Christ has already come.
2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Th 2:4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God.
2Th 2:5 Don’t you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things?

See post #(245).

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[TruthSeeker112125]

So what? Just posting a bunch of Scriptures means nothing.

But it does mean you hope no one can see you don't know what you're talking about.

Gee, I could quote the whole Bible and make people think I am so smart. Big deal! Means nothing.

Put your 'spin' on it. Show us how you pervert the Scripture.

Such a coward.

Quantrill

So,...... Not Only Do You fail in "putting all of the pieces of the puzzle" together, as to what The Messiah, The Apostles, & The Prophets Taught, but,....... You "Posing as an Elder with Knowledge", verbally Attack anyone that speaks of something that contradicts your own corrupt Beliefs that Deny what The Messiah taught.

 

[Quantrill]

So,...... Not Only Do You fail in "putting all of the pieces of the puzzle" together, as to what The Messiah, The Apostles, & The Prophets Taught, but,....... You "Posing as an Elder with Knowledge", verbally Attack anyone that speaks of something that contradicts your own corrupt Beliefs that Deny what The Messiah taught.

I have never posed as some Elder with knowledge. Where do you get that?

If you can show my beliefs are corrupt, by all means, do so. Thus far, I haven't seen you produce anything.

Is the Bible the only written Word of God? Is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God and Saviour?

Quantrill

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I have never posed as some Elder with knowledge. Where do you get that?

If you can show my beliefs are corrupt, by all means, do so. Thus far, I haven't seen you produce anything.

Is the Bible the only written Word of God? Is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God and Saviour?

Quantrill

"If you can show my beliefs are corrupt, by all means, do so."

I Have, & Yet You Deny The Scriptures.

And, the rest of Your Demands (Rants),.... I'll be Ignoring until You Grow Up in "The Word", & Walk in Love with Your Brothers & Sisters.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Irish, explain how Today's "Christians" are so far more "Special", than "The Believers" that refused to give up their Faith,& Worship the Roman Emperors/Other Gods, which resulted in their being put to death.

Per Your "Understanding of the Scriptures",..... Why weren't those "Believers", & those that came after them, who also were put to death,.... Why weren't they "Whisked up to Heaven"?

Who said we were so much more special than other believers? I didn't.
They were also whisked up:

2 Corinth.5:8 We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it.

Truth, if you belong to Christ when you die, your body is laid to rest, and your soul goes home to the Lord. It applies to all who follows Him, regardless of how we meet our demise.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Mat 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.
Mat 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake.
Mat 24:10 Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate one another.
Mat 24:11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray.
Mat 24:12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many will grow cold.

Mat 24:21 for then there will be great oppression, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.
Mat 24:22 Unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved. But for the sake of the chosen ones, those days will be shortened.

Mat 24:29 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
Mat 24:30 and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 He will send out his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

2Th 2:1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you
2Th 2:2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, and not be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as if from us, saying that the day of Christ has already come.
2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Th 2:4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God.
2Th 2:5 Don’t you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things?

You are referring to end time prophesy, which is what is coming. We are seeing the birth pangs happening now.

Do you believe that all Christians have to be murdered or oppressed to enter Heaven? If Christ is to be believed, my father wasn't murdered or oppressed, and is in Heaven as we speak.

 

[Quantrill]

"If you can show my beliefs are corrupt, by all means, do so."

I Have, & Yet You Deny The Scriptures.

And, the rest of Your Demands (Rants),.... I'll be Ignoring until You Grow Up in "The Word", & Walk in Love with Your Brothers & Sisters.

You haven't showed anything.

Just answer my questions. Post #(248). It's not hard. Unless you're afraid. Unless, you're a coward. You ignore because you're a coward.

Quantrill

 

[Carl in Michigan]

So what? Just posting a bunch of Scriptures means nothing.

But it does mean you hope no one can see you don't know what you're talking about.

Gee, I could quote the whole Bible and make people think I am so smart. Big deal! Means nothing.

Put your 'spin' on it. Show us how you pervert the Scripture.

Such a coward.

Quantrill

I wonder if Satan said this to Jesus when He answered Satan with the Word of God?

The idea is to seek your answers in SCRIPTURE, not put your own spin on things

 

[Quantrill]

I wonder if Satan said this to Jesus when He answered Satan with the Word of God?

The idea is to seek your answers in SCRIPTURE, not put your own spin on things

So true.

Satan, the atheists, the left, love to use the Bible for their own ends. But they are liars. And we who are believers see through their lies. They fool no one.

Yet they think they can fool God.

Quantrill

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Who said we were so much more special than other believers? I didn't.
They were also whisked up:

2 Corinth.5:8 We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it.

Truth, if you belong to Christ when you die, your body is laid to rest, and your soul goes home to the Lord. It applies to all who follows Him, regardless of how we meet our demise.

"They were also whisked up:"

No, They were not. Per many Scriptures they are Sleeping.

 

[The Irish Ram]

"They were also whisked up:"

No, They were not. Per many Scriptures they are Sleeping.

Did they wake Moses up to appear at the transfiguration?
Paul seems to think you are wrong So, again:
2 Corith.5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
If you know where Jesus is, then that's where we go.

Read about the rich man carried by angels to Abraham's Bosom. Not a soul was sleeping.

 

[SaxonJackson]

You only need to know one thing about Jews. Cut one of us and we all bleed.

In other words, folks ... never criticize Karl Marx-ism, Harvey Weinstein, or Jeffery Epstein for if you "cut" one of them ... you've cut ALL of them.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

With consideration to all that is going on in the World Today,....... I'm thinking that One who proclaims "Lord!", be Absolutely Certain about what The Almighty GOD wants what those who proclaim Him, to do, & say, as well as what He has clearly stated about The End Times.

Per many Scriptures,.... The Majority will be found greatly lacking, and the Majority will quickly give up their "Luke Warm Faith", so as to Save their Physical LIves.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Did they wake Moses up to appear at the transfiguration?
Paul seems to think you are wrong So, again:
2 Corith.5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
If you know where Jesus is, then that's where we go.

Read about the rich man carried by angels to Abraham's Bosom. Not a soul was sleeping.

Sorry, I just caught this. I meant to type the rich man and the beggar who was carried...

None of the souls there were sleeping in a grave.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Sorry, I just caught this. I meant to type the rich man and the beggar who was carried...

None of the souls there were sleeping in a grave.

Well,... Then according to Your Belief Irish,.....A Majority of Scripture should be redacted, because they are lies.