Is the Pope Catholic?

[Sky Dancer]

How many Catholics follow every word of Catholic doctrine and how many believe everything Pope says is infallible?

I'm thinking in particular of the Pope saying that women who seek ordination as priests are as harmful to the Church as priest pedophiles.

Does that even make any sense?

 

[Zoom-boing]

With each passing year I pay less and less attention to what the Catholic church says.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I liked Pope John and Pope Paul, but this guy now, former Cardinal Ratzinger is a doozy.

 

[California Girl]

Haven't seen his comment comparing the harm of female priests to that of pedophile priests.... got a link? Preferably a legitimate one.... not one that 'explains' his remark for me but just the actual words he used.

 

[Intense]

Haven't seen his comment comparing the harm of female priests to that of pedophile priests.... got a link? Preferably a legitimate one.... not one that 'explains' his remark for me but just the actual words he used.

Here is a good starting point.

The World Seen From Rome

 

[California Girl]

Haven't seen his comment comparing the harm of female priests to that of pedophile priests.... got a link? Preferably a legitimate one.... not one that 'explains' his remark for me but just the actual words he used.

Here is a good starting point.

The World Seen From Rome

I'm aware of the site... I was actually just interested in what sky thinks is a suitable reference.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Haven't seen his comment comparing the harm of female priests to that of pedophile priests.... got a link? Preferably a legitimate one.... not one that 'explains' his remark for me but just the actual words he used.

Here is a good starting point.

The World Seen From Rome

I'm aware of the site... I was actually just interested in what sky thinks is a suitable reference.

I'm not sure what you think is a suitable reference either.

"Is a priest who sexually abuses a child as sinful as one who ordains a female cleric? Some say a new set of laws issued by the Vatican implies one is just as bad as the other.

The Catholic Church on Thursday revised its in-house rules on sex abuse cases, extending the statute of limitations for such crimes from 10 to 20 years past the victim's 18th birthday and speeding up the excommunication process for pedophile priests. But, curiously, the amended set of ecclesiastical laws also declares that any priest caught ordaining women will be designated as having committed a "grave crime," the same phrase used to describe the abuse of children."
U.S. Catholic magazine Managing Editor Bryan Cones had criticized the new ruling before it was issued, calling it "a complete injustice to connect the aspirations of some women among the baptized to ordained ministry with what are some of the worst crimes that can be committed against the least of Christ's members."
Vatican Puts Ordaining Women Priests on Par With Child Sex Abuse


That puts priests ordaining women as priests on a par with priest pedophilia in terms of what is considered grave crime against the church.

 

[Warrior102]

How many women did Jesus choose to be Apostles / Priests?

Names appreciated.

 

[Warrior102]

See - Ordinatio Sacerdotalis

 

[Samson]

How many women did Jesus choose to be Apostles / Priests?

Names appreciated.

Do you seriously believe the Christian Church would have kept these records?

 

[Warrior102]

How many women did Jesus choose to be Apostles / Priests?

Names appreciated.

Do you seriously believe the Christian Church would have kept these records?

The Christian Church?

What's that?

 

[Warrior102]

The Christian Church?

What's that?

Google takes time....

No problem

 

[Samson]

How many women did Jesus choose to be Apostles / Priests?

Names appreciated.

Do you seriously believe the Christian Church would have kept these records?

The Christian Church?

What's that?

The Early Christian Church.

Today it is called the Christian Orthodox Church.

They (All Males) basically decided what books to include in the Bible, and theoretically, omitted practically everything Jesus ever said about females. But not everything; There are some very notable women in the bible. Normally they are used as examples of weak individuals that have been particularly suseptable to evil.

 

[Warrior102]

Do you seriously believe the Christian Church would have kept these records?

The Christian Church?

What's that?

The Early Christian Church.

Today it is called the Christian Orthodox Church.

They (All Males) basically decided what books to include in the Bible, and theoretically, omitted practically everything Jesus ever said about females. But not everything; There are some very notable women in the bible. Normally they are used as examples of weak individuals that have been particularly suseptable to evil.

The Christian Orthodox Church was the beginning of Christianity?
Please - share more - dumbfuck.

Wow!

We got a live one here.

 

[Warrior102]

Do you seriously believe the Christian Church would have kept these records?

The Christian Church?

What's that?

The Early Christian Church.

Today it is called the Christian Orthodox Church.

They (All Males) basically decided what books to include in the Bible, and theoretically, omitted practically everything Jesus ever said about females. But not everything; There are some very notable women in the bible. Normally they are used as examples of weak individuals that have been particularly suseptable to evil.

By the way - women mentioned in Christianity - Mary. Let's take her for an example.
Weak?

God - go jump off a bridge. You're simply ignorant.

 

[Dot Com]

Didn't they also say that "ok, maybe the earth is older than 5,000 years".

 

[Samson]

The Christian Church?

What's that?

The Early Christian Church.

Today it is called the Christian Orthodox Church.

They (All Males) basically decided what books to include in the Bible, and theoretically, omitted practically everything Jesus ever said about females. But not everything; There are some very notable women in the bible. Normally they are used as examples of weak individuals that have been particularly suseptable to evil.

By the way - women mentioned in Christianity - Mary. Let's take her for an example.
Weak?

God - go jump off a bridge. You're simply ignorant.

You had to ask what I meant by the Christian Church?



And I'm the ignoramus?



Idiot.

 

[Samson]

Didn't they also say that "ok, maybe the earth is older than 5,000 years".

They?

They who?

 

[California Girl]

Here is a good starting point.

The World Seen From Rome

I'm aware of the site... I was actually just interested in what sky thinks is a suitable reference.

I'm not sure what you think is a suitable reference either.

"Is a priest who sexually abuses a child as sinful as one who ordains a female cleric? Some say a new set of laws issued by the Vatican implies one is just as bad as the other.

The Catholic Church on Thursday revised its in-house rules on sex abuse cases, extending the statute of limitations for such crimes from 10 to 20 years past the victim's 18th birthday and speeding up the excommunication process for pedophile priests. But, curiously, the amended set of ecclesiastical laws also declares that any priest caught ordaining women will be designated as having committed a "grave crime," the same phrase used to describe the abuse of children."
U.S. Catholic magazine Managing Editor Bryan Cones had criticized the new ruling before it was issued, calling it "a complete injustice to connect the aspirations of some women among the baptized to ordained ministry with what are some of the worst crimes that can be committed against the least of Christ's members."
Vatican Puts Ordaining Women Priests on Par With Child Sex Abuse


That puts priests ordaining women as priests on a par with priest pedophilia in terms of what is considered grave crime against the church.

Hysterical bullshit.... both are considered 'grave crimes' from the Church's perspective. That does not put women priests on a par with pedophile priests, just that both are unacceptable to the Church. Of course, I understand you have personal 'issues' with the Church, and that's fine. I am not overly concerned with your 'issues'.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I'm aware of the site... I was actually just interested in what sky thinks is a suitable reference.

I'm not sure what you think is a suitable reference either.

"Is a priest who sexually abuses a child as sinful as one who ordains a female cleric? Some say a new set of laws issued by the Vatican implies one is just as bad as the other.

The Catholic Church on Thursday revised its in-house rules on sex abuse cases, extending the statute of limitations for such crimes from 10 to 20 years past the victim's 18th birthday and speeding up the excommunication process for pedophile priests. But, curiously, the amended set of ecclesiastical laws also declares that any priest caught ordaining women will be designated as having committed a "grave crime," the same phrase used to describe the abuse of children."
U.S. Catholic magazine Managing Editor Bryan Cones had criticized the new ruling before it was issued, calling it "a complete injustice to connect the aspirations of some women among the baptized to ordained ministry with what are some of the worst crimes that can be committed against the least of Christ's members."
Vatican Puts Ordaining Women Priests on Par With Child Sex Abuse


That puts priests ordaining women as priests on a par with priest pedophilia in terms of what is considered grave crime against the church.

Hysterical bullshit.... both are considered 'grave crimes' from the Church's perspective. That does not put women priests on a par with pedophile priests, just that both are unacceptable to the Church. Of course, I understand you have personal 'issues' with the Church, and that's fine. I am not overly concerned with your 'issues'.

If both ordaining women as priests and priest pedophilia are considered to be "grave crimes againt the Church" then they certainly are on a par.

"What astonished many Catholics was the inclusion of the attempt to ordain women in a list of the “more grave delicts,” or offenses, which included pedophilia, as well as heresy, apostasy and schism. The issue, some critics said, was less the ordination of women, which is not discussed seriously inside the church hierarchy, but the Vatican’s suggestion that pedophilia is a comparable crime in a document billed a response to the sexual abuse crisis."

Msgr. Charles J. Scicluna, the Vatican’s internal prosecutor in charge of handling sexual abuse cases, explained the change on women’s ordination in technical terms. “Sexual abuse and pornography are more grave delicts, they are an egregious violation of moral law,” Monsignor Scicluna said in his first public appearance since the sex abuse crisis hit. “Attempted ordination of women is grave, but on another level, it is a wound that is an attempt against the Catholic faith on the sacramental orders.”

The new document said that a priest who tried to ordain a woman could now be defrocked. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/world/europe/16vatican.html

Why is the ordination of women even in a document about pedophiles priests?