Is the Chirren Learning

[The Duke]

So you blame the schools or do you realize it is beyond their control. I agree with your point 100%.

100k people means a whole bunch of districts. They're overwhelmed.
Multiple schools that are almost 100% Somalian. In Minnesota. They should all be deported, IMO.
By sheer numbers they have taken over sections of Minnesota.
Clinton and Obama did that.

 

[Stryder50]

Oh yeah...

You fail to grasp the part of my post that followed your 'excerpt'.

 

[Stryder50]

So, what are you going to do about it?

I keep repeating that unless society changes and we improve the quality of the students. You simply cannot make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

That problem has been around for decades. Back to when the current crop of teachers were students.

Have you ever had children of your own?
I know that when mine were young students I often had to correct the errors of their school and expand on those areas that school no longer teaches.

 

[Stryder50]

There's strong evidence that teenagers are learning to think for themselves. You're welcome.

Some are, and pushing back against the indoctrination and distortions that is in much of current curriculums.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That problem has been around for decades. Back to when the current crop of teachers were students.

Have you ever had children of your own?
I know that when mine were young students I often had to correct the errors of their school and expand on those areas that school no longer teaches.

Never had that problem with three children and three grandchildren. I was a teacher and administrator for 31 years. I had a much better view than most people and they all received an excellent education that was fa superior to mine.

 

[The Duke]

Not so much.

Are you in it?

 

[Stryder50]

Never had that problem with three children and three grandchildren. I was a teacher and administrator for 31 years. I had a much better view than most people and they all received an excellent education that was fa superior to mine.

If that's true, than they were of the minority that has dodged the decline of standards, etc.

Did you grasp my concern in earlier post of only 40% being up to grade proficiency in grades 4 & 8 ?
That article has a chart for the top ten states and only a couple of the 40 results were at 40%. The rest are less and as low as about 27%. This isn't all about quality of the students, they are at a malleable age. Part of the reason the military prefers @17-20 year olds since they are trainable~fixable.

 

[Winco]

Not to mention schools were awarded more funds based on the numbers of passing kids

No truth to this ^^^^^^.
That's NOT how it works.
Maybe you yourself scored a Level 1 on Reading.
See Below.

The Best and Worst States for K-12 Standardized Test Scores

If you've ever wondered how your state's schools are performing compared to the rest of the nation, a new analysis sheds light on where students are making the grade

studyfinds.org

Ooooops

Your own link proves that the Southern Red States are struggling.

The "over 40%" is about 42% and that is the highest it appears among the 50 states. And the article shows the percentages decline further by grade 8. It would seem the product of USA education is not that great if nearly 60%+ don't achieve grade proficiency by grade 8 or later.

I'm hoping we aren't seeing what is considered "grade proficiency"

Here's a breakdown of the levels:

• Level 4: Standard Exceeded
  - Students consistently demonstrate advanced grade-level knowledge and skills.
  
  
• Level 3: Standard Met
  - Students consistently demonstrate proficient grade-level knowledge and skills.
  
  
• Level 2: Foundational
  - Students demonstrate foundational grade-level knowledge and skills with a limited range of complexity.
  
  
• Level 1: Not Met
  - Students do not consistently demonstrate grade-level knowledge and skills.
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  Just for fun, Hey Stryder50, Lynden is a fine community. When you visited the classroom(s) in the public school of Lynden, did you ever experience a child that "Simply can't read"
  
  
  
  
  

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If that's true, than they were of the minority that has dodged the decline of standards, etc.

Did you grasp my concern in earlier post of only 40% being up to grade proficiency in grades 4 & 8 ?
That article has a chart for the top ten states and only a couple of the 40 results were at 40%. The rest are less and as low as about 27%. This isn't all about quality of the students, they are at a malleable age. Part of the reason the military prefers @17-20 year olds since they are trainable~fixable.

Decline of standards? When did that happen? The standards have been increased until people threw a hissy fit over Common Core.

You are like most education critics who have no background in your experience to even know what you are discussing.

 

[Winco]

100k people means a whole bunch of districts. They're overwhelmed.
Multiple schools that are almost 100% Somalian. In Minnesota. They should all be deported, IMO.
By sheer numbers they have taken over sections of Minnesota.

Clinton and Obama did that.

Somali refugees began arriving in Minnesota in the early 1990s, with the diaspora intensifying in 1992 following the outbreak of civil war and famine in Somalia. While smaller numbers of Somalis arrived in the U.S. before this period, the major wave of immigration to Minnesota started due to the violence in Somalia and the availability of refugee support networks and job opportunities in the state.

What did Clinton, Bill Clinton's tenure as the 42nd president of the United States began with his first inauguration on January 20, 1993, and ended on January 20, 2001, have to do with the 1992 Civil War and Famine in Somalia? And Obama? LOLLLOLLL

 

[The Duke]

Somali refugees began arriving in Minnesota in the early 1990s, with the diaspora intensifying in 1992 following the outbreak of civil war and famine in Somalia. While smaller numbers of Somalis arrived in the U.S. before this period, the major wave of immigration to Minnesota started due to the violence in Somalia and the availability of refugee support networks and job opportunities in the state.

What did Clinton, Bill Clinton's tenure as the 42nd president of the United States began with his first inauguration on January 20, 1993, and ended on January 20, 2001, have to do with the 1992 Civil War and Famine in Somalia? And Obama? LOLLLOLLL

Bush had already started it (around 10K) and Clinton ramped up the importation of Somalian "refugees".
Next Question?
He brought them in for 8 years and so did Obama..Obama really for 12. Cuz he was running Biden.

 

[Winco]

Just for fun, Hey @Stryder50, Lynden is a fine community. When you visited the classroom(s) in the public school of Lynden, did you ever experience a child that "Simply can't read"

So Stryder50 cannot answer what he has 'witnessed first hand' in the very fine Lynden Public School District?

Typical.

 

[Unkotare]

Are you in it?

NEA? No. But I do know that unions don’t tell teachers what to teach.

 

[the watcher]

Kids will learn things; they want to learn things. What they are learning in school is very debatable now, but they are learning something.

 

[The Duke]

NEA? No. But I do know that unions don’t tell teachers what to teach.

School boards have a say.

 

[Unkotare]

School boards have a say.

School boards are locally elected and are not the unions.

 

[Stryder50]

No truth to this ^^^^^^.
That's NOT how it works.
Maybe you yourself scored a Level 1 on Reading.
See Below.

Your own link proves that the Southern Red States are struggling.

Here's a breakdown of the levels:

• Level 4: Standard Exceeded
  - Students consistently demonstrate advanced grade-level knowledge and skills.
  
  
• Level 3: Standard Met
  - Students consistently demonstrate proficient grade-level knowledge and skills.
  
  
• Level 2: Foundational
  - Students demonstrate foundational grade-level knowledge and skills with a limited range of complexity.
  
  
• Level 1: Not Met
  - Students do not consistently demonstrate grade-level knowledge and skills.
• 
  
• 
  
• 
  
  Just for fun, Hey Stryder50, Lynden is a fine community. When you visited the classroom(s) in the public school of Lynden, did you ever experience a child that "Simply can't read"
  
  
  
  

The article, linked in earlier and your own posts is the source for this;
"The resulting analysis paints an intriguing picture of the state of American education. In top-ranked Massachusetts, over 40% of fourth graders demonstrated proficiency in math and reading, a level they largely maintained through eighth grade. The state’s students also nabbed the nation’s highest ACT and MCAT scores on average."
...
That quote is supplemented by the chart at the bottom of the article, and this is for what they report as the top 10 states.
The context and implication is that they are referring to what you present as Level 3, with the bulk of students not at that level, but lower.

As for your snark about Lynden schools, my children were into their adulthood and educated in another city before I moved to Lynden. It would be difficult for me to visit classrooms when I'm not a parent of student there, and not really needed.

For the past few years I've staffed the GOP booth at the NW WA Fair, held in Lynden in August. We have a large wheel for visitors to spin and depending on where the pointer is when the wheel stops, determines what question on civics we will ask (for them to earn a prize). Most of the teens and young adults, many of them from Lynden and nearby area, don't even know what the term "civics" is/means.
The questions we ask are from the standard citizenship test used by Immigration for persons applying to be citizens of the USA. Most of the 100 questions stump the students. Yet they are something that should be taught and known by the time one graduates from high school. But they aren't

Here's one link to the test which shows correct answer as you go;

2026 USA Citizenship Test Cheat Sheet. 99% Pass Rate. Practice Test No. 10

2026 US Citizenship Study Guide. Review all Citizenship Test Questions & Answers. Download and Print United States Citizenship Practice Test. 99% USCIS Pass Rate. Practice Test No. 10

citizenship-test.com

 

[Stryder50]

Decline of standards? When did that happen? The standards have been increased until people threw a hissy fit over Common Core.

You are like most education critics who have no background in your experience to even know what you are discussing.

40+ years working and doing commerce/business with product of the school systems is my experience.
Also raising 5 kids and working on the 14 grandkids also provide insight.
You are the one who doesn't know much about the public and the parents it would seem.
Your 'Dale Carnegie'* skills are near non-existent.
*

How to Win Friends and Influence People - Wikipedia​

 

[Stryder50]

NEA? No. But I do know that unions don’t tell teachers what to teach.

But they have a lot of influence and pressure on school boards when it comes to hiring and firing teachers and administrators.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Kids will learn things; they want to learn things. What they are learning in school is very debatable now, but they are learning something.

No, it is not debatable. What in being taught in most schools, minus the blue dominated liberal indoctrination centers. is the same quality education that has been taught for the past 50 years. There was no "woke" agenda when I taught and I have heard no complaints from any of my teacher friends who are still in the classroom.

The problem is that society is not providing good quality materials to work with. You cannot build a Chevy Corvette out of parts for a Chevette. Inner cities are full of poor kids, minorities, illegals and kids who have no English language skills. What can you make out of defective raw materials? Junk is what you get.

I'll say it again; "you don't make chicken salad out of chicken shit".