Is it God or Nature?

[ding]

In recent times, socialism has adopted a policy of deception in order to de-moralize nations, as explained by former KGB colnel Yuri Bezmenov in this short video which is worth watching.



So if you think there aren't subversives on this board who are actively seeking to subordinate Christianity for the express purpose of eliminating people's allegiances to family, country and God, you are gravely mistaken.

So when I see people like BreezeWood, who pretends to believe in God, but never demonstrate his beliefs in God such as sidestepping the question do you see God's hand in creation, while simultaneously attacking all religions, but specifically Christianity which is the dominant religion of the land, it makes me wonder about his true motives.

 

[james bond]

It is a fact that the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence.

You were doing okay with your science and politics for a bit, but then the above and then you end up losing your audience. The universe is an intelligence creating machine?

You get the same type of effect with me when you bring in the Bible. I would think you meant that complex life forms from a bacteria cell or single cell. That's what Darwin was able to explain as ToE. I assume you meant God created the single cell and then it becomes a complex one. It's almost like you're saying God is the universe seeing this is under R&E. Instead, why don't you post it under S&T and leave God out? Then I would treat it more seriously and not you trying to change God of the Bible.

 

[ding]

It is a fact that the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence.

You were doing okay with your science and politics for a bit, but then the above and then you end up losing your audience. The universe is an intelligence creating machine?

You get the same type of effect with me when you bring in the Bible. I would think you meant that complex life forms from a bacteria cell or single cell. That's what Darwin was able to explain as ToE. I assume you meant God created the single cell and then it becomes a complex one. It's almost like you're saying God is the universe seeing this is under R&E. Instead, why don't you post it under S&T and leave God out? Then I would treat it more seriously and not you trying to change God of the Bible.

Cool story, bro. I meant exactly what I have written. The universe is an intelligence creating machine. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Beings that know and create were predestined by God to exist before space and time began according to the laws of nature which were created by God who willed space and time into existence. We aren’t here by accident. We are literally the pinnacle of creation and the purpose for creation. Everything about creation glorifies God. God shares in our experiences.

 

[ding]

You were doing okay with your science and politics for a bit, but then the above and then you end up losing your audience.

That’s good because I’m not here for that.

 

[ding]

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

Some people worship created things instead of the Creator. I prefer to worship God.

Some people confuse religion for God. I never confuse religion for God or place religion above God.

Some people can’t understand how bad things can happen to good people and how good things can happen to bad people if there is a God who loves us. God has perfect knowledge and understands how all things work for good. We don’t.

Some people think that believing in God is about heaven and hell instead of about living life and becoming the best version of yourself that you can be. I believe if you think you are good you probably aren’t.

Some people believe that prayer is about what God can do for us instead of about what we can do for God. I believe I am his servant and not the other way around.

Some people believe they are saved but act like they aren’t.

most people don’t have a clue what worship means.

most people say they believe in God but few act like they do.

 

[esalla]

Is this Covid-19 pandemic a result of God's actions, or an ecological/biological/sociological process that reflects Nature?

If God, then why?
If Nature, is it a "correction" in the balance of life among the human species?
Survival of the "fittest" ... and rich/powerful (access to life-saving resources)?

Perhaps population density, some foul sanitary/eating habits, and easy global travel opportunities are "correcting" overpopulation of humans?
Maybe God wants to give non-human animals a break?
What say you?

Why does it matter?

Maybe responsible humans can learn to avoid future pandemics, or you don't care?

I doubt my caring or not caring will change anything.

Since I don’t have the virus I must have learned something.

I had it along with my entire family it's nothing

 

[BreezeWood]

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

Some people worship created things instead of the Creator. I prefer to worship God.

Some people confuse religion for God. I never confuse religion for God or place religion above God.

Some people can’t understand how bad things can happen to good people and how good things can happen to bad people if there is a God who loves us. God has perfect knowledge and understands how all things work for good. We don’t.

Some people think that believing in God is about heaven and hell instead of about living life and becoming the best version of yourself that you can be. I believe if you think you are good you probably aren’t.

Some people believe that prayer is about what God can do for us instead of about what we can do for God. I believe I am his servant and not the other way around.

Some people believe they are saved but act like they aren’t.

most people don’t have a clue what worship means.

most people say they believe in God but few act like they do.

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

.
that's you bing -

you are a confused person - and a hopeless sinner that will never amount to being worthy of admission to the Everlasting without freeing your spirit by the religion of antiquity - the Triumph over Evil - - good luck.

I had it along with my entire family it's nothing

speaking of books, you might not want to look back after your pronouncement ... the Almighty may have a hand in this pandemic. most likely.

 

[ding]

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

Some people worship created things instead of the Creator. I prefer to worship God.

Some people confuse religion for God. I never confuse religion for God or place religion above God.

Some people can’t understand how bad things can happen to good people and how good things can happen to bad people if there is a God who loves us. God has perfect knowledge and understands how all things work for good. We don’t.

Some people think that believing in God is about heaven and hell instead of about living life and becoming the best version of yourself that you can be. I believe if you think you are good you probably aren’t.

Some people believe that prayer is about what God can do for us instead of about what we can do for God. I believe I am his servant and not the other way around.

Some people believe they are saved but act like they aren’t.

most people don’t have a clue what worship means.

most people say they believe in God but few act like they do.

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

.
that's you bing -

you are a confused person - and a hopeless sinner that will never amount to being worthy of admission to the Everlasting without freeing your spirit by the religion of antiquity - the Triumph over Evil - - good luck.

I had it along with my entire family it's nothing

speaking of books, you might not want to look back after your pronouncement ... the Almighty may have a hand in this pandemic. most likely.

I am happy for you to judge me.

 

[esalla]

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

Some people worship created things instead of the Creator. I prefer to worship God.

Some people confuse religion for God. I never confuse religion for God or place religion above God.

Some people can’t understand how bad things can happen to good people and how good things can happen to bad people if there is a God who loves us. God has perfect knowledge and understands how all things work for good. We don’t.

Some people think that believing in God is about heaven and hell instead of about living life and becoming the best version of yourself that you can be. I believe if you think you are good you probably aren’t.

Some people believe that prayer is about what God can do for us instead of about what we can do for God. I believe I am his servant and not the other way around.

Some people believe they are saved but act like they aren’t.

most people don’t have a clue what worship means.

most people say they believe in God but few act like they do.

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

.
that's you bing -

you are a confused person - and a hopeless sinner that will never amount to being worthy of admission to the Everlasting without freeing your spirit by the religion of antiquity - the Triumph over Evil - - good luck.

I had it along with my entire family it's nothing

speaking of books, you might not want to look back after your pronouncement ... the Almighty may have a hand in this pandemic. most likely.

God is not here, if he were chinks would not be burning dogs alive

 

[BreezeWood]

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

Some people worship created things instead of the Creator. I prefer to worship God.

Some people confuse religion for God. I never confuse religion for God or place religion above God.

Some people can’t understand how bad things can happen to good people and how good things can happen to bad people if there is a God who loves us. God has perfect knowledge and understands how all things work for good. We don’t.

Some people think that believing in God is about heaven and hell instead of about living life and becoming the best version of yourself that you can be. I believe if you think you are good you probably aren’t.

Some people believe that prayer is about what God can do for us instead of about what we can do for God. I believe I am his servant and not the other way around.

Some people believe they are saved but act like they aren’t.

most people don’t have a clue what worship means.

most people say they believe in God but few act like they do.

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

.
that's you bing -

you are a confused person - and a hopeless sinner that will never amount to being worthy of admission to the Everlasting without freeing your spirit by the religion of antiquity - the Triumph over Evil - - good luck.

I had it along with my entire family it's nothing

speaking of books, you might not want to look back after your pronouncement ... the Almighty may have a hand in this pandemic. most likely.

God is not here, if he were chinks would not be burning dogs alive

God is not here, if he were chinks would not be burning dogs alive

.
have torch, will travel.
.
burning the chinks alive would be a remarkable turn in events for justice, something humanity has been unable to accomplish if not from forever certainly since the 1st century when the religion of antiquity was lost. the salvation of noah was in vain.

however a pandemic could be a last resort even though mt high said there would not be an intervention again so maybe that would help as proof for you but in the scheme of things playing out the the remainder of the act sadly may be the best way for the final settlement unimpeded.

 

[esalla]

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

Some people worship created things instead of the Creator. I prefer to worship God.

Some people confuse religion for God. I never confuse religion for God or place religion above God.

Some people can’t understand how bad things can happen to good people and how good things can happen to bad people if there is a God who loves us. God has perfect knowledge and understands how all things work for good. We don’t.

Some people think that believing in God is about heaven and hell instead of about living life and becoming the best version of yourself that you can be. I believe if you think you are good you probably aren’t.

Some people believe that prayer is about what God can do for us instead of about what we can do for God. I believe I am his servant and not the other way around.

Some people believe they are saved but act like they aren’t.

most people don’t have a clue what worship means.

most people say they believe in God but few act like they do.

Some people prefer to glorify a book instead of glorifying God. I prefer to glorify God.

.
that's you bing -

you are a confused person - and a hopeless sinner that will never amount to being worthy of admission to the Everlasting without freeing your spirit by the religion of antiquity - the Triumph over Evil - - good luck.

I had it along with my entire family it's nothing

speaking of books, you might not want to look back after your pronouncement ... the Almighty may have a hand in this pandemic. most likely.

God is not here, if he were chinks would not be burning dogs alive

God is not here, if he were chinks would not be burning dogs alive

.
have torch, will travel.
.
burning the chinks alive would be a remarkable turn in events for justice, something humanity has been unable to accomplish if not from forever certainly since the 1st century when the religion of antiquity was lost. the salvation of noah was in vain.

however a pandemic could be a last resort even though mt high said there would not be an intervention again so maybe that would help as proof for you but in the scheme of things playing out the the remainder of the act sadly may be the best way for the final settlement unimpeded.

Scooby dooby doo where r u

 

[ViewFromAbove]

It is a fact that the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence.

You were doing okay with your science and politics for a bit, but then the above and then you end up losing your audience. The universe is an intelligence creating machine?

You get the same type of effect with me when you bring in the Bible. I would think you meant that complex life forms from a bacteria cell or single cell. That's what Darwin was able to explain as ToE. I assume you meant God created the single cell and then it becomes a complex one. It's almost like you're saying God is the universe seeing this is under R&E. Instead, why don't you post it under S&T and leave God out? Then I would treat it more seriously and not you trying to change God of the Bible.

Cool story, bro. I meant exactly what I have written. The universe is an intelligence creating machine. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Beings that know and create were predestined by God to exist before space and time began according to the laws of nature which were created by God who willed space and time into existence. We aren’t here by accident. We are literally the pinnacle of creation and the purpose for creation. Everything about creation glorifies God. God shares in our experiences.

I agree that religion is separate from one's belief in a God. Religions are cultural relics reflecting authoritarian leaders influencing their uneducated followers.

You seem somewhat educated, but lacking thoroughness in your logic.
Of course, our intelligence was created (by an evolutionary process, or DNA?) after individual cognitive development.
To say we "were predestined by God to exist before space and time" is not only presumptious, but lacks logical consistency. If your concept of God is separate from nature and it's laws, and "supernatural", how do you know ANYTHING specific about God's intentions?
Blind faith?

 

[ding]

It is a fact that the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence.

You were doing okay with your science and politics for a bit, but then the above and then you end up losing your audience. The universe is an intelligence creating machine?

You get the same type of effect with me when you bring in the Bible. I would think you meant that complex life forms from a bacteria cell or single cell. That's what Darwin was able to explain as ToE. I assume you meant God created the single cell and then it becomes a complex one. It's almost like you're saying God is the universe seeing this is under R&E. Instead, why don't you post it under S&T and leave God out? Then I would treat it more seriously and not you trying to change God of the Bible.

Cool story, bro. I meant exactly what I have written. The universe is an intelligence creating machine. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Beings that know and create were predestined by God to exist before space and time began according to the laws of nature which were created by God who willed space and time into existence. We aren’t here by accident. We are literally the pinnacle of creation and the purpose for creation. Everything about creation glorifies God. God shares in our experiences.

I agree that religion is separate from one's belief in a God. Religions are cultural relics reflecting authoritarian leaders influencing their uneducated followers.

You seem somewhat educated, but lacking thoroughness in your logic.
Of course, our intelligence was created (by an evolutionary process, or DNA?) after individual cognitive development.
To say we "were predestined by God to exist before space and time" is not only presumptious, but lacks logical consistency. If your concept of God is separate from nature and it's laws, and "supernatural", how do you know ANYTHING specific about God's intentions?
Blind faith?

Actually it is entirely logical that intelligence begets intelligence. So rather than being a late outgrowth of the evolution of space and time mind has always existed as the source or matrix of the physical world such that everything is mind stuff such that beings that know and create eventually arose.

 

[ding]

It is a fact that the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence.

You were doing okay with your science and politics for a bit, but then the above and then you end up losing your audience. The universe is an intelligence creating machine?

You get the same type of effect with me when you bring in the Bible. I would think you meant that complex life forms from a bacteria cell or single cell. That's what Darwin was able to explain as ToE. I assume you meant God created the single cell and then it becomes a complex one. It's almost like you're saying God is the universe seeing this is under R&E. Instead, why don't you post it under S&T and leave God out? Then I would treat it more seriously and not you trying to change God of the Bible.

Cool story, bro. I meant exactly what I have written. The universe is an intelligence creating machine. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Beings that know and create were predestined by God to exist before space and time began according to the laws of nature which were created by God who willed space and time into existence. We aren’t here by accident. We are literally the pinnacle of creation and the purpose for creation. Everything about creation glorifies God. God shares in our experiences.

I agree that religion is separate from one's belief in a God. Religions are cultural relics reflecting authoritarian leaders influencing their uneducated followers.

You seem somewhat educated, but lacking thoroughness in your logic.
Of course, our intelligence was created (by an evolutionary process, or DNA?) after individual cognitive development.
To say we "were predestined by God to exist before space and time" is not only presumptious, but lacks logical consistency. If your concept of God is separate from nature and it's laws, and "supernatural", how do you know ANYTHING specific about God's intentions?
Blind faith?

The physical world only becomes manifest through the mind. It might as well not exist unless there is someone who can manifest that reality through mind.

 

[ding]

how do you know ANYTHING specific about God's intentions?
Blind faith?

By studying what he created.

 

[ViewFromAbove]

It is a fact that the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence.

You were doing okay with your science and politics for a bit, but then the above and then you end up losing your audience. The universe is an intelligence creating machine?

You get the same type of effect with me when you bring in the Bible. I would think you meant that complex life forms from a bacteria cell or single cell. That's what Darwin was able to explain as ToE. I assume you meant God created the single cell and then it becomes a complex one. It's almost like you're saying God is the universe seeing this is under R&E. Instead, why don't you post it under S&T and leave God out? Then I would treat it more seriously and not you trying to change God of the Bible.

Cool story, bro. I meant exactly what I have written. The universe is an intelligence creating machine. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Beings that know and create were predestined by God to exist before space and time began according to the laws of nature which were created by God who willed space and time into existence. We aren’t here by accident. We are literally the pinnacle of creation and the purpose for creation. Everything about creation glorifies God. God shares in our experiences.

I agree that religion is separate from one's belief in a God. Religions are cultural relics reflecting authoritarian leaders influencing their uneducated followers.

You seem somewhat educated, but lacking thoroughness in your logic.
Of course, our intelligence was created (by an evolutionary process, or DNA?) after individual cognitive development.
To say we "were predestined by God to exist before space and time" is not only presumptious, but lacks logical consistency. If your concept of God is separate from nature and it's laws, and "supernatural", how do you know ANYTHING specific about God's intentions?
Blind faith?

Actually it is entirely logical that intelligence begets intelligence. So rather than being a late outgrowth of the evolution of space and time mind has always existed as the source or matrix of the physical world such that everything is mind stuff such that beings that know and create eventually arose.

Again, VERY presumptuous. Where does the "intelligence begets intelligence" process begin? Simply "poof" because YOU understand the supernatural?

 

[ViewFromAbove]

It is a fact that the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence.

You were doing okay with your science and politics for a bit, but then the above and then you end up losing your audience. The universe is an intelligence creating machine?

You get the same type of effect with me when you bring in the Bible. I would think you meant that complex life forms from a bacteria cell or single cell. That's what Darwin was able to explain as ToE. I assume you meant God created the single cell and then it becomes a complex one. It's almost like you're saying God is the universe seeing this is under R&E. Instead, why don't you post it under S&T and leave God out? Then I would treat it more seriously and not you trying to change God of the Bible.

Cool story, bro. I meant exactly what I have written. The universe is an intelligence creating machine. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Beings that know and create were predestined by God to exist before space and time began according to the laws of nature which were created by God who willed space and time into existence. We aren’t here by accident. We are literally the pinnacle of creation and the purpose for creation. Everything about creation glorifies God. God shares in our experiences.

I agree that religion is separate from one's belief in a God. Religions are cultural relics reflecting authoritarian leaders influencing their uneducated followers.

You seem somewhat educated, but lacking thoroughness in your logic.
Of course, our intelligence was created (by an evolutionary process, or DNA?) after individual cognitive development.
To say we "were predestined by God to exist before space and time" is not only presumptious, but lacks logical consistency. If your concept of God is separate from nature and it's laws, and "supernatural", how do you know ANYTHING specific about God's intentions?
Blind faith?

The physical world only becomes manifest through the mind. It might as well not exist unless there is someone who can manifest that reality through mind.

An agnostic scientist would say the opposite; The mind only becomes manifest through the biological development of the brain.

 

[ding]

It is a fact that the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence.

You were doing okay with your science and politics for a bit, but then the above and then you end up losing your audience. The universe is an intelligence creating machine?

You get the same type of effect with me when you bring in the Bible. I would think you meant that complex life forms from a bacteria cell or single cell. That's what Darwin was able to explain as ToE. I assume you meant God created the single cell and then it becomes a complex one. It's almost like you're saying God is the universe seeing this is under R&E. Instead, why don't you post it under S&T and leave God out? Then I would treat it more seriously and not you trying to change God of the Bible.

Cool story, bro. I meant exactly what I have written. The universe is an intelligence creating machine. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Beings that know and create were predestined by God to exist before space and time began according to the laws of nature which were created by God who willed space and time into existence. We aren’t here by accident. We are literally the pinnacle of creation and the purpose for creation. Everything about creation glorifies God. God shares in our experiences.

I agree that religion is separate from one's belief in a God. Religions are cultural relics reflecting authoritarian leaders influencing their uneducated followers.

You seem somewhat educated, but lacking thoroughness in your logic.
Of course, our intelligence was created (by an evolutionary process, or DNA?) after individual cognitive development.
To say we "were predestined by God to exist before space and time" is not only presumptious, but lacks logical consistency. If your concept of God is separate from nature and it's laws, and "supernatural", how do you know ANYTHING specific about God's intentions?
Blind faith?

Actually it is entirely logical that intelligence begets intelligence. So rather than being a late outgrowth of the evolution of space and time mind has always existed as the source or matrix of the physical world such that everything is mind stuff such that beings that know and create eventually arose.

Again, VERY presumptuous. Where does the "intelligence begets intelligence" process begin? Simply "poof" because YOU understand the supernatural?

With the source or matrix. The only solution to the first cause conundrum is something which has always existed and will always exist. In other words, eternal. For something to be eternal it must be unchanging. Therefore, it must be beyond energy and matter because energy and matter are not eternal because energy and matter are not unchanging.

In fact the only thing I can think of that fits this definition is truth. Truth is eternal. Truth is unchanging. And what is truth if it is not mind stuff?

 

[ABikerSailor]

 

[ding]

It is a fact that the universe is an intelligence creating machine. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence.

You were doing okay with your science and politics for a bit, but then the above and then you end up losing your audience. The universe is an intelligence creating machine?

You get the same type of effect with me when you bring in the Bible. I would think you meant that complex life forms from a bacteria cell or single cell. That's what Darwin was able to explain as ToE. I assume you meant God created the single cell and then it becomes a complex one. It's almost like you're saying God is the universe seeing this is under R&E. Instead, why don't you post it under S&T and leave God out? Then I would treat it more seriously and not you trying to change God of the Bible.

Cool story, bro. I meant exactly what I have written. The universe is an intelligence creating machine. There is absolutely no doubt about it. Beings that know and create were predestined by God to exist before space and time began according to the laws of nature which were created by God who willed space and time into existence. We aren’t here by accident. We are literally the pinnacle of creation and the purpose for creation. Everything about creation glorifies God. God shares in our experiences.

I agree that religion is separate from one's belief in a God. Religions are cultural relics reflecting authoritarian leaders influencing their uneducated followers.

You seem somewhat educated, but lacking thoroughness in your logic.
Of course, our intelligence was created (by an evolutionary process, or DNA?) after individual cognitive development.
To say we "were predestined by God to exist before space and time" is not only presumptious, but lacks logical consistency. If your concept of God is separate from nature and it's laws, and "supernatural", how do you know ANYTHING specific about God's intentions?
Blind faith?

The physical world only becomes manifest through the mind. It might as well not exist unless there is someone who can manifest that reality through mind.

An agnostic scientist would say the opposite; The mind only becomes manifest through the biological development of the brain.

He’s wrong. His own brain proves him wrong. Everything that happened before his mind became aware had no manifestation whatsoever. It was only after his mind became aware which allowed for the material world to become manifest.

And of course there’s the small matter of everything is information which is mind stuff.