Is it ever ok to have an Abortion?

[JoeB131]

sorry but everyone on death row was proven guilty by a jury,,,

We've released 156 of them because they didn't commit the crimes they were accused of.

So, no, a bad system.

 

[JoeB131]

You often just repeat talking points without having put any actual thought into them. It's patently obvious

Or she just recognizes reality.

A woman who doesn't want to be pregnant will find a way to not be pregnant. There were just as many abortions occurring before Roe v. Wade as there was after (the birth rate did NOT drop in 1973)

If you want to see a country that has the kinds of laws you want, check out the Philippines. They have 500,000 illegal abortions a year, 1.8 MILLION abandoned children...

No thank you.

 

[JoeB131]

I find it difficult to imagine the degree of @sociopathy and depravity that it must take to think that murdering innocent children in cold blood, and putting the worst and deadliest of violent, hardened, convicted criminal to death, can be compared and lumped together in such a manner.

Fetuses aren't children.

People on death row are people. Some of them didn't even do the crimes they are accused of.

 

[JoeB131]

I think I probably represent the most extreme edge of opposition to abortion. (Though it does seem quite odd to me that my position ought to be the one considered the one that is “extreme”, given that it is the position most solidly rooted in common decency and common sense.) I consider it to be nothing less than the intentional killing of an innocent human being, and therefore something that should be absolutely illegal, and subject to the harshest of penalties up to and including the death penalty; except under conditions comparable to those under which homicide would otherwise be justifiable.

So you are willing to execute a woman for taking an abortion pill? Because that's kind of the "Common sense" you've just advocated here, Mormon Bob.

The problem that you never think of is how would you enforce such a law. You would either have to create a police state where people are informing on their neighbors, or you'd have to have a law that everyone will be ignoring. (This is what they have in the Philippines, or what America was like before a REPUBLICAN Supreme Court overturned the archaic abortion laws with Roe and Doe.

I don't think there's anyone more extremely opposed the the cold-blooded murder of innocent children than I am, and even I am not opposed to it under such extreme conditions as an ectopic pregnancy, where the child is almost certain to die anyway, and the mother is at great risk of serious harm or even death if the pregnancy is allowed to continue.

Okay... so if you are allowing an exception for ectopic pregnancies, you've pretty much allowed all abortions. Guess what, the doctors will just claim EVERY abortion they are performing on a woman is ectopic. Prove it isn't.

 

[JoeB131]

That said, I see no Constitutional justification for getting an abortion to kill a child that is expected to die on its own, anyway.

So what kind of a sick fuck would make a woman carry a doomed fetus to term to watch it die?

Oh, right, A "Christian".

 

[JoeB131]

How do we measure the threshhold where I am allowed, with a loaded gun in my hand, to shoot someone else with it? I don't know that the line is always absolutely clear, but what is clear is that the taking of a human life is always a drastic and terrible act, that can only ever be allowed in a civilized society under extremely drastic and terrible conditions. In some circumstances, it may be necessary to leave it up to a jury whether a particular instance of homicide was on the right side or the wrong side of the line.

Abortion is no different, morally or ethically, than any other form of homicide, and should not be subject to different legal standards.

The point is, you'd support shooting someone who broke into your house because he MIGHT be a threat to your life. (On the other hand, he might just have made a mistake as to whether you were home when he just wanted to take your TV).

But you think that a woman isn't justified in terminating a peanut sized fetus that would completely screw up her life if she brought it to term.

 

[JoeB131]

If a form of birth control allows conception, but then prevents the child thus created from being able to develop any further, then yes, that is homicide, and on that basis, should be illegal.

Again, how would you enforce such a law?

Prostitution is "illegal", but you could find massage parlors, strip joints, escort services etc... where people are willing to exchange sex for money. The police don't really crack down on these because they don't really care. They have real crimes to prosecute.

Now, there is a way to reduce the number of abortions. Comprehensive sex education and contraception availability. Paid family and medical leave. Universal Health Care. Things you Conservatives are against because, gosh darn, the affluent might have to pay for poor people.

 

[progressive hunter]

sorry but everyone on death row was proven guilty by a jury,,,

We've released 156 of them because they didn't commit the crimes they were accused of.

So, no, a bad system.

its a good system,,,its people that made mistakes,,,

but that has nothing to do with my comment correcting her statement,,,

 

[Dragonlady]

For me personally, no, it would never be ok to have a willful abortion.

I have never had an abortion either. That was my choice.

 

[Chuz Life]

Call it what it is.

Ok.

Government sanctioned Murder.

We do that all over the world constantly. Illegally. Unconstitutionally. We're doing it here now over pandemic neglect. We allow our schools to become shooting galleries. All we argue over is who is expendable.

And that makes abortion that much more tolerable for you?

It doesn't for me.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Call it what it is.

Ok.

Government sanctioned Murder.

We do that all over the world constantly. Illegally. Unconstitutionally. We're doing it here now over pandemic neglect. We allow our schools to become shooting galleries. All we argue over is who is expendable.

And that makes abortion that much more tolerable for you?

It doesn't for me.

Never had anything to do with one, you?

What it makes tolerable is our slaughter across the globe for the interests of capital.

 

[Chuz Life]

Fetuses aren't children.

So, the Medical Dictionaries and Fetal HOMICIDE laws that actually say that a human being in the fetal stage of their life IS a child are. . . . . What?

Wrong?

Do you seriously think that you know more about the subject than the Doctors who wrote the Medical Definitions do?

 

[Chuz Life]

What it makes tolerable is our slaughter across the globe for the interests of capital.

Translation: Two wrongs make a right.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

What it makes tolerable is our slaughter across the globe for the interests of capital.

Translation: Two wrongs make a right.

That is what our "lessor of two evils" paradigm is all about love.

The pandemic shows yet again that we people have no representation in our political system, by design. Our political class simply does not care, has no need to, and our political system selects for charlatans to be in those positions and leave us to the whims of concentrated capital. That’s their role in society; that of the little Eichmann.

Our “exceptional” self-aggrandized american “way of life” has been exposed to be the fraud it has always been now. Our “representatives”, our “leaders”, pimps really, hid from the public that a pandemic was coming while they informed the donor class; the substantial people and these pimps all got their insider trading wrapped up, sodomizing the 401k working and underclasses like they bipartisanly sodomized children in the Epstein/Maxwell (who was allowed to slither back off into the shadows so as not to further embarrass the aristocracy) child sex trafficking operation over decades.

What’s the feckless, impotent self-serving response of our ruling aristocracy? Double down on more of the SOS and await a different outcome; evermore societal wealth redistribution upward, fewer of the masses to deal with after the first of the COVID-19 retroviral waves rolls through society, and blame China for the inevitable ramifications of how we organize our society. We left ourselves wide open. Our societal priorities have consequences. They’ve come home to roost. Those who made the decisions will be impacted least, they will get priority access to testing and treatment, and they have tax payer funded healthcare. Win win as the moneychangers like to say.

We have a military presence in 70% of the nations on the planet, supporting 73% of the world’s dictatorships. We have the most expansive incarceration apparatus ever known to humankind locking down 25% of the world’s incarcerated population versus our comprising 5% of global population. We have militarized “law” enforcement. The entire population is under constant mass corporate state surveillance. We have for profit internment/concentration camps up and running, easily anyone can be targeted for inclusion, americans being so easily turned on one another. The corporate state media machine has been monopolized down to half a dozen multinational corporations spinning spectacle and illusion at a level of efficiency Edward L Bernays could never have imagined given the technology of his day. We can whip up an endless stream of illegal unconstitutional wars without end, Amen, Amen, while no one asks "how we gonna pay for that?". But America simply cannot get it’s shit together on this pandemic, and this was by bipartisanly achieved over time via neoliberal economic fantasy and a lean six sigma approach to life itself.

It has never been clearer who our economic/political system serves, it has never been we the people. We are all tacitly complicit in cooperating with and participating in a death cult for Wall Street returns paradigm. We the people know what our "representatives" are. Predators.

 

[Andylusion]

I read this article about a mother who found out in her second trimester that the fetus had a condition that was preventing its bones and brain to grow. The doctor told her that the baby would likely not survive the term of her pregnancy and there was a risk to her health so she decided to terminate. I’m curious about what the pro-lifers think about this. Should this be legal or illegal?

Laura Prepon Reveals Heartbreaking Decision She Made to Terminate Her Second Pregnancy — People

"I feel in order to have a real conversation about motherhood, you need to share truths and talk about what's really going on," the star tells PEOPLE

apple.news

And there was a risk to her health? Bull.

Besides that, I have read the stories of women who were told the exact same thing, that the baby would die. Then they had the baby, and it was fine.

My view is, no, murder is wrong.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

I read this article about a mother who found out in her second trimester that the fetus had a condition that was preventing its bones and brain to grow. The doctor told her that the baby would likely not survive the term of her pregnancy and there was a risk to her health so she decided to terminate. I’m curious about what the pro-lifers think about this. Should this be legal or illegal?

Laura Prepon Reveals Heartbreaking Decision She Made to Terminate Her Second Pregnancy — People

"I feel in order to have a real conversation about motherhood, you need to share truths and talk about what's really going on," the star tells PEOPLE

apple.news

And there was a risk to her health? Bull.

Besides that, I have read the stories of women who were told the exact same thing, that the baby would die. Then they had the baby, and it was fine.

My view is, no, murder is wrong.

Don't involve yourself in one. Be different than the political predator class who hid the coming pandemic from the public until the substantial people had had a chance to serve themselves while sodomizing the 401K working and underclasses.

 

[Andylusion]

I read this article about a mother who found out in her second trimester that the fetus had a condition that was preventing its bones and brain to grow. The doctor told her that the baby would likely not survive the term of her pregnancy and there was a risk to her health so she decided to terminate. I’m curious about what the pro-lifers think about this. Should this be legal or illegal?

Laura Prepon Reveals Heartbreaking Decision She Made to Terminate Her Second Pregnancy — People

"I feel in order to have a real conversation about motherhood, you need to share truths and talk about what's really going on," the star tells PEOPLE

apple.news

And there was a risk to her health? Bull.

Besides that, I have read the stories of women who were told the exact same thing, that the baby would die. Then they had the baby, and it was fine.

My view is, no, murder is wrong.

Don't involve yourself in one. Be different than the political class who hid the coming pandemic from the public until the substantial people had had a chance to serve themselves while sodomizing the 401K working and underclasses.

What are you talking about? I haven't lost a penny in my 401K. In fact, I just bought up hundreds in stocks, because they are on sale. I own more shares than I ever did before.

If you lose money, it's because you are an idiot. Don't be stupid.

 

[Dragonlady]

That said, I see no Constitutional justification for getting an abortion to kill a child that is expected to die on its own, anyway.

So what kind of a sick fuck would make a woman carry a doomed fetus to term to watch it die?

Oh, right, A "Christian".

The doctors will encourage carrying the fetus to term to harvest its organs, and I know a family that did this, but I can't imagine the horror of continuing the pregnancy to watch the baby die.

 

[Chuz Life]

What it makes tolerable is our slaughter across the globe for the interests of capital.

Translation: Two wrongs make a right.

That is what our "lessor of two evils" paradigm is all about love.

Yeah. . .

I stopped reading about there.

I don't compromise my principles as you clearly do.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

What it makes tolerable is our slaughter across the globe for the interests of capital.

Translation: Two wrongs make a right.

That is what our "lessor of two evils" paradigm is all about love.

Yeah. . .

I stopped reading about there.

I don't compromise my principles as you clearly do.

Sure you do.

Don had 2 years with majorities in both houses. See any legislation on your burning issue?