Zone1 Is God The Father of Everyone In This World?

[Woodznutz]

really, then HE should have written it in Aramaic. There is no
evidence, even in the NT, that Jesus was literate in Latin

He wrote it in English when it was time for church to come out of hiding i.e. the Reformation.

HOWEVER, the "DEVIL" in the christian ethos is an actual POWERFUL RULER of "da underworld" ----He (It) is endowed
with independent supernatural powers ----an idea that, historically,
was rejected in Judaism and which put Judaism at odds with
Zoroastrians

That's between you and the Zoroastrians.

 

[Woodznutz]

" imposed by 'God' "? You actually see Adolf as a DIVINE
AGENT? ----watta copout

Do you have another explanation? Wasn't Assyria "the rod of God's anger" against Israel? Check it out, it's in your bible. It is thought by some that the Assyrians migrated to Europe and show up in Germany, evidenced by those with a 'fierce countenance', something not characteristic of Syrians but certainly of some WW2 German military leaders and soldiers.

It is also noteworthy that Germany declared war on virtually all of the WASP nations, the descendants of Israel. Those not attacked directly, like America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, were also involved by sending troops and lost many lives in the war. Russia alone, descendants of Benjamin, lost 27 million including civilians.

Assyria
The phrase "rod of God's anger" appears in the Bible, specifically in Isaiah 10:5. In this verse, God calls Assyria "the rod of My anger and the staff in whose hand is My indignation," meaning that He would use Assyria to punish Israel for her terrible sins1. The phrase is also used in Isaiah 14:6 to describe the final impotence of the wrath of the wicked2. The phrase is interpreted to mean that the strength or power of the Assyrians, which they used to afflict God's people, would have been none at all if God's people had not provoked His wrath and severity3.

 

[irosie91]

He wrote it in English when it was time for church to come out of hiding i.e. the Reformation.

That's between you and the Zoroastrians.

True---historically it was actually an issue---but the Magi had not
been to Bethlehem YET ----at that time. UHM---Tyndale had nothing to do with the translation to English?

 

[Woodznutz]

True---historically it was actually an issue---but the Magi had not
been to Bethlehem YET ----at that time. UHM---Tyndale had nothing to do with the translation to English?

The first complete English-language version of the Bible dates from 1382 and was credited to John Wycliffe and his followers1. However, the earliest extant portion of the Bible in the English language belongs to a word-for-word translation of a Latin Psalter dating about the ninth century2. The first printed English translation of the whole Bible was produced by Miles Coverdale in 1535, using Tyndale's work together with his own translations from the Latin Vulgate or German text3. William Tyndale's translation of the New Testament and part of the Old Testament, which was completed from 1525 to 1535, became the model for a series of subsequent English translations1

 

[Frankenstein]

Judge not, lest ye be judged. I think that is in my Bible.

Christians can judge people, but they should do so with care and in a way that is consistent with the Bible:

 

[zaangalewa]

God would not provide a book written in His hand unless He believed it could be understood. Nevertheless, Rev 2:9 and 3:9 are very easy to understand.

No one - absolutelly no one - understands the revelation. The orthodox Christians for example never use textes of the revelation in their church services - and in the Catholic church only very few textes from the revelation are rarely used. I on my own used a very little text of the revelation in rough waters as a compass for more than 10 years. So I would not say the revelation is worthless - but the use of the revelation in the USA is from my point of view in very most cases absurde.

 

[Woodznutz]

No one - absolutelly no one - understands the revelation. The orthodox Christians for example never use textes of the revelation in their church services - and in the Catholic church only very few textes from the revelation are rarely used. I on my own used a very little text of the revelation in rough waters as a compass for more than 10 years. So I would not say the revelation is worthless - but the use of the revelation in the USA is from my point of view in very most cases absurde.

As the Bible was written mainly for the benefit of the Anglo-English-speaking world in the latter days Revelation is very useful for Americans.

 

[Cougarbear]

I am a Cathoic and let me say it's much more difficult. When god created existence how was he able to exist? Saint Augustinus spoke about that the mighty creating word of god was a timeless word. And as far as I can see he not meant "eternal" as today the word "timeless" is often interpreted. He meant it verbally: A word "spoken" when even time did not exist.

What you wrote is as confusing as the other things you believe like "God does not have a body, parts or passions. God is so big he fills the universe but so small he can dwell in your heart." If God did not exist, then there is no God today.

 

[irosie91]

Do you have another explanation? Wasn't Assyria "the rod of God's anger" against Israel? Check it out, it's in your bible. It is thought by some that the Assyrians migrated to Europe and show up in Germany, evidenced by those with a 'fierce countenance', something not characteristic of Syrians but certainly of some WW2 German military leaders and soldiers.

It is also noteworthy that Germany declared war on virtually all of the WASP nations, the descendants of Israel. Those not attacked directly, like America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, were also involved by sending troops and lost many lives in the war. Russia alone, descendants of Benjamin, lost 27 million including civilians.

Assyria
The phrase "rod of God's anger" appears in the Bible, specifically in Isaiah 10:5. In this verse, God calls Assyria "the rod of My anger and the staff in whose hand is My indignation," meaning that He would use Assyria to punish Israel for her terrible sins1. The phrase is also used in Isaiah 14:6 to describe the final impotence of the wrath of the wicked2. The phrase is interpreted to mean that the strength or power of the Assyrians, which they used to afflict God's people, would have been none at all if God's people had not provoked His wrath and severity3.

Moronic sophistry----PS--mr nutz does not grasp the nature of
hebrew poetic imagery or the VERY JEWISH concept of Free-will.
PS. Free-will is the major theme of the book called, in English,
GENESIS-----the book is SUPERB

 

[Woodznutz]

Moronic sophistry----PS--mr nutz does not grasp the nature of
hebrew poetic imagery or the VERY JEWISH concept of Free-will.
PS. Free-will is the major theme of the book called, in English,
GENESIS-----the book is SUPERB

I think your problem is exactly that... "VERY JEWISH" concepts of scripture. If you don't like what it plainly says, just change it to something more agreeable. What I don't understand is why haven't the Jews just rewritten the entire Bible according to your traditional interpretations? I'd love to see the Azazel goat story according to the Jews in print.

 

[irosie91]

I think your problem is exactly that... "VERY JEWISH" concepts of scripture. If you don't like what it plainly says, just change it to something more agreeable.

You have no idea what it PLAINLY states-----you depend on a
christian generated translation AND you have no idea about the
ISSUE of both FREE-CHOICE----and TIKKUN (the ongoing
care of the garden)----the real issue is found in the book that you
call GENESIS, not the mushroom driven Book of REVULSIONS

 

[zaangalewa]

What you wrote is as confusing

¿Confusing? ¿I? ... I'm from my point of view alwaya very clear in everything what I say.

as the other things you believe like "God does not have a body,

I do not believe god has a body and I do not believe god has no body. I believe in god - not about god.

parts or passions. God is so big he fills the universe

I'm not sure whether god is also not so little so he fills the universe. I'm not even sure whether god exists at all now in the moment. But I'm, also not sure whether he will not exist in the next planksecond.

but so small he can dwell in your heart."

I am [part of the] universe.

If God did not exist, then there is no God today.

No. If god not exists then god is god. If god exists then god is god. The empty phrase is not god. The empty phrase is existence. We speak about his existence because we will die one day and not exist any longer - and we don't know how to give god the order to do his job to call us back into life. For me personally it's nearly unimportnat what will happen with me after my death. If I will not exist any longer after my death - why not? If god likes to do so then I'm sure it will the best because god - the ultimate good - will decide to do so. If I on my own could and would decide to live after my death then this decision could be a very bad decision. I am by the way here because I had the ... let me say "vision" ... once in my life that I was ready mto enter the paradise and an entity which I am only able to describe as a light asked me whether I would agree to go back into life. I asked "Deos thsi eman the next time I couod have to go to hell?" And the ... - whatever it was - ... "the light" ... said something like that there is no exception for no one who lives adn I wil hgave teh full risk as abyine else. I agreed to go back. And what cna I sday? Here I am.

 

[Cougarbear]

¿Confusing? ¿I? ... I'm from my point of view alwaya very clear in everything what I say.



I do not believe god has a body and I do not believe god has no body. I believe in god - not about god.



I'm not sure whether god is also not so little so he fills the universe. I'm not even sure whether god exists at all now in the moment. But I'm, also not sure whether he will not exist in the next planksecond.



I am [part of the] universe.



No. If god not exists then god is god. If god exists then god is god. The empty phrase is not god. The empty phrase is existence.

Just more babbling. Here’s a question. Jesus is God, correct? I believe he is. Jesus was resurrected with a body of flesh and bones. I believe what the Bible says. Therefore, transitive logic and reasoning says God has a body of flesh and bones. You are therefore wrong.

 

[zaangalewa]

As the Bible was written mainly for the benefit of the Anglo-English-speaking world in the latter days Revelation is very useful for Americans.

What for heavens sake could be useful when the universe will tear in ¿parts??

 

[irosie91]

What for heavens sake could be useful when the universe will tear in ¿parts??

SUPPORT ENTROPY

 

[zaangalewa]

Just more babbling. Here’s a question. Jesus is God, correct?

As "correct" as to say Jesus was a human being.

I believe he is. Jesus was resurrected with a body of flesh and bones.

... hmm ... with a body - yes. But which substance this resurrected body/bodies had been I'm not sure about. For Thomas it had been a body of flesh and bones, I guess.

I believe what the Bible says.

Depends.

Therefore, transitive logic

What for heavens sake is "transitive logic"? ... It is said a transitive verb like "to read" is transitive because it needs an object to be defined. What are we able to read? A book? A mind? A trail? ... So a dog could read a trail for example with the own nose ... I am not able to do so.

and reasoning says God has a body of flesh and bones.

Not at all. God created life. Part of some living structures is flesh and bones. A human body consists of around 200 different types of biological tissue. It is therefore very complex. Perhaps god is more complex - or more easy - or both. I do not know.

You are therefore wrong.

I'm nearly always wrong with everything what I say. This is not any problem. What I hate in most cases is to be right.

 

[zaangalewa]

SUPPORT ENTROPY

You support entropy. Every time you tidy up and clean, the entropy grows. So isn't tidying up and not cleaning a good solution just because no one ever cleans and tidies in revelation?

 

[zaangalewa]

What you wrote is as confusing as the other things you believe like "God does not have a body, parts or passions. God is so big he fills the universe but so small he can dwell in your heart." If God did not exist, then there is no God today.

Oh by the way - not to forget: I never said something like "God does not have a body, parts or passions. God is so big he fills the universe but so small he can dwell in your heart." You said this.

 

[irosie91]

You support entropy. Every time you tidy up and clean, the entropy grows. So isn't tidying up and not cleaning a good solution just because no one ever cleans and tidies in revelation?

YES

 

[zaangalewa]

YES

You love the revelation, isn't it? It is said the revelation was written from a well respected author who had been tortured from the Romans and was thrown into boiling oil. He survived - and he not lost his faith in god. Would you be ready to pay this price for to be able to understand what's really written there?