Zone1 Is God The Father of Everyone In This World?

[irosie91]

You love the revelation, isn't it? It is said the revelation was written from a well respected author who had been tortured from the Romans and was thrown into boiling oil. He survived - and he not lost his faith in god. Would you be ready to pay this price for to be able to understand what's really written there?

ROFLMAO @ "what's really written there...."----to wit, your interpretation thereof. PS--survival after actually being thrown in
a vat of boiling oil is impossible----maybe a little thrown on him

 

[zaangalewa]

ROFLMAO @ "what's really written there...."----to wit, your interpretation thereof. PS--survival after actually being thrown in
a vat of boiling oil is impossible----maybe a little thrown on him

Looks like you are not ready to pay the price. What a luck that you are only allknowing. This is much cheaper.

 

[luiza]

Entropy fans .
If the Universe represents perfection ( Order ) it has zero Entropy .

But unfortunately Universe has considerable Entropy -- us and our world as the most obvious example .

Therefore , the so called Universe / God is imperfect ---- there is a split or divide between "Good" ( God ) and "Not As Good " ( Not fully God).
Randomness .

Which can be also expressed as a mix of Good and Bad , and, where Bad is huge , might be termed a mix of Good and Evil( extreme opposite of Good/God/ Order) .

SO .
On what logical basis might you sensibly argue that Good is more conducive to creativity , impetus , development and improvement , than its opposite ?
Evil .

Universe therefore embraces both Good and Evil and whilst the structure might be seen as Good , the structure is useless without Gas ( the Evil )that makes it change and move .
An Entropy increase
Increased randomness >less Order .
Hardly the basis of Cult Abrahamic religious dogma .



Discuss .

 

[zaangalewa]

Entropy fans .
If the Universe represents perfection ( Order ) it has zero Entropy .

But unfortunately Universe has considerable Entropy -- us and our world as the most obvious example .

Therefore , the so called Universe / God is imperfect ---- there is a split or divide between "Good" ( God ) and "Not As Good " ( Not fully God).
Randomness .

Which can be also expressed as a mix of Good and Bad , and, where Bad is huge , might be termed a mix of Good and Evil( extreme opposite of Good/God/ Order) .

SO .
On what logical basis might you sensibly argue that Good is more conducive to creativity , impetus , development and improvement , than its opposite ?
Evil .

Universe therefore embraces both Good and Evil and whilst the structure might be seen as Good , the structure is useless without Gas ( the Evil )that makes it change and move .
An Entropy increase
Increased randomness >less Order .
Hardly the basis of Cult Abrahamic religious dogma .



Discuss .

Oh by the way, Russian or US-Russian slave of Putin. Do not forget to tell your master to end his stupid, senseless and criminal war on Europe in the Ukraine. Leave the Ukraine with all of your soldiers. Yesterday.

The entropy is perhaps by the way spiritually seen nothing else than only the side of the universe which could give you the godly hint that never anything will be forgotten as little as it might be. Also not the thousands of big war crimes every year in the Ukraine.

 

[Woodznutz]

You have no idea what it PLAINLY states-----you depend on a
christian generated translation AND you have no idea about the
ISSUE of both FREE-CHOICE----and TIKKUN (the ongoing
care of the garden)----the real issue is found in the book that you
call GENESIS, not the mushroom driven Book of REVULSIONS

Can you cite some particular verses to support this?

 

[Woodznutz]

Entropy fans .
If the Universe represents perfection ( Order ) it has zero Entropy .

But unfortunately Universe has considerable Entropy -- us and our world as the most obvious example .

Therefore , the so called Universe / God is imperfect ---- there is a split or divide between "Good" ( God ) and "Not As Good " ( Not fully God).
Randomness .

Which can be also expressed as a mix of Good and Bad , and, where Bad is huge , might be termed a mix of Good and Evil( extreme opposite of Good/God/ Order) .

SO .
On what logical basis might you sensibly argue that Good is more conducive to creativity , impetus , development and improvement , than its opposite ?
Evil .

Universe therefore embraces both Good and Evil and whilst the structure might be seen as Good , the structure is useless without Gas ( the Evil )that makes it change and move .
An Entropy increase
Increased randomness >less Order .
Hardly the basis of Cult Abrahamic religious dogma .



Discuss .

God never said the universe was perfect... only that it was very good. And in the case of the earth this was true of the re-creation of the surface of the earth described in Genesis. Even today the earth is a beautiful, productive place. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

 

[Woodznutz]

What for heavens sake could be useful when the universe will tear in ¿parts??

It's good to know what lies ahead.

 

[zaangalewa]

It's good to know what lies ahead.

You do not know what lies ahead. Nobody knows.

 

[Woodznutz]

You do not know what lies ahead. Nobody knows.

I have faith in God's prophesies.

 

[irosie91]

Looks like you are not ready to pay the price. What a luck that you are only allknowing. This is much cheaper.

"pay the price" ----being submerged in boiling oil would not
"pay a price" ----it would be death---have you ever tried to pull a burn victim back to life? uhm ---all to get to know what
some mushroom primed person "meant"----not that and not
even the MIND of Edgar Allen Poe

 

[Cougarbear]

As "correct" as to say Jesus was a human being.

... hmm ... with a body - yes. But which substance this resurrected body/bodies had been I'm not sure about. For Thomas it had been a body of flesh and bones, I guess.

Depends.

What for heavens sake is "transitive logic"? ... It is said a transitive verb like "to read" is transitive because it needs an object to be defined. What are we able to read? A book? A mind? A trail? ... So a dog could read a trail for example with the own nose ... I am not able to do so.

Not at all. God created life. Part of some living structures is flesh and bones. A human body consists of around 200 different types of biological tissue. It is therefore very complex. Perhaps god is more complex - or more easy - or both. I do not know.

I'm nearly always wrong with everything what I say. This is not any problem. What I hate in most cases is to be right.

You really have a problem with logic and reasoning. It might help to retake an Algebra 1 or Geometry class. Transitive Property is a logic reason for problem solving. Uggg...

The substance was stated in the Bible by Jesus. How many times must I post this verse before Christians will believe it exists. Luke 24:39, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is myself (Jesus Christ): Handle me, and see; for as spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." Then, he preceded t eat meat with them. Thomas and the other apostles were in a closed room without windows and Jesus appeared to them and let Doubting Thomas also touch his hands and feet to see he has flesh and bones and is no longer a spirit. There are more than one occasion in which he showed people this fact that he is no longer spirit only. He's a resurrected human being with flesh and bones never to be able to die again. A glorified human man.

It's true that the Bible is correct as far as it is translated correctly. Joseph Smith also stated this. Same with the Book of Mormon except it has only been translated one time when he did this in the late 1820's. The Doctrine and Covenants are the only scripture directly from the Lord Jesus Christ to Prophets in English. Thus, it is very unique.

It takes prophets of God to remove our ignorance about the things of God and God himself. The Intercessory Prayer of John 17 is quite revealing in many ways. First, in verse 3, we are to learn to know God the Father as well as The Son of God. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Jesus goes on to explain that they are "one." But, not one in personage or body. But one in purpose and authority. This was explained as Jesus prayed that we all might become "one" with the Father and Son (and of course, the Holy Ghost). Not one physical body but one in purpose and direction. The Father and Son are alike but separate beings of flesh and bones then. So, as far as how the universe came into existence, and how the Godhead accomplished this, it's not unreasonable to reason that God the Father once was on a planet like earth and went through the same experiences and was glorified, resurrected into a glorified human being as well.

 

[zaangalewa]

I have faith in God's prophesies.

A prophecy has not to come true. It's normally exactly in the opposite. Why to tell someone something what this one is not able to change? I remember I read once 8 chapters until was written something like "... and this all will happen if you will not ...". And I remember also a prophet who was very dissapointed because the people did do what he said. He asked god to punish them anyway otherwise everyone could think he would be a fool. I guess god smiled only about such an absurdity.

 

[zaangalewa]

"pay the price" ----being submerged in boiling oil would not
"pay a price" ----it would be death---have you ever tried to pull a burn victim back to life? uhm ---all to get to know what
some mushroom primed person "meant"----not that and not
even the MIND of Edgar Allen Poe

I know that you are not ready to pay the price - no one is - but many holy martyrs payed and pay.

 

[zaangalewa]

You really have a problem with logic and reasoning.

Only very seldom. In most cases others have a problem with "my" logic and reasoning.

It might help to retake an Algebra 1 or Geometry class. Transitive Property is a logic reason for problem solving. Uggg...

No idea what you now speak about.

The substance was stated in the Bible by Jesus.

Also no idea what you like to say with this sentence.

How many times must I post this verse before Christians will believe it exists. Luke 24:39, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is myself (Jesus Christ): Handle me, and see; for as spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." Then, he preceded t eat meat with them. Thomas and the other apostles were in a closed room without windows and Jesus appeared to them and let Doubting Thomas also touch his hands and feet to see he has flesh and bones and is no longer a spirit. There are more than one occasion in which he showed people this fact that he is no longer spirit only. He's a resurrected human being with flesh and bones never to be able to die again. A glorified human man.

Perhaps you should read what I say. I said very clear for Thomas it was so. Maybe for the Shakyamuni god was a rice bowl floating up the river. Who knows?

It's true that the Bible is correct as far as it is translated correctly. Joseph Smith also stated this.

Joseph Smith was a spiritual charlatan. How are you able to take this man serios?

Same with the Book of Mormon

Never read. Never will read. A waste of time. Joseph Smith has from my point of view absolutelly nothing to do with the Christian religion.

except it has only been translated one time when he did this in the late 1820's. The Doctrine and Covenants are the only scripture directly from the Lord Jesus Christ to Prophets in English. Thus, it is very unique.

It takes prophets of God to remove our ignorance about the things of God and God himself. The Intercessory Prayer of John 17 is quite revealing in many ways. First, in verse 3, we are to learn to know God the Father as well as The Son of God. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Jesus goes on to explain that they are "one." But, not one in personage or body. But one in purpose and authority. This was explained as Jesus prayed that we all might become "one" with the Father and Son (and of course, the Holy Ghost). Not one physical body but one in purpose and direction. The Father and Son are alike but separate beings of flesh and bones then. So, as far as how the universe came into existence, and how the Godhead accomplished this, it's not unreasonable to reason that God the Father once was on a planet like earth and went through the same experiences and was glorified, resurrected into a glorified human being as well.

What about if you would read for a minimum of a year not any "holy book"? Or what about to do this for 4 years and instead of this you will go every Sunday and other holy day into a Catholic church service for to listen what the priest there reads and what he says about this to you and all others? And if you afterwards still did not understand what's really important and what's not so important then try another 4 years. And another. Good things take time.

 

[irosie91]

You really have a problem with logic and reasoning. It might help to retake an Algebra 1 or Geometry class. Transitive Property is a logic reason for problem solving. Uggg...

The substance was stated in the Bible by Jesus. How many times must I post this verse before Christians will believe it exists. Luke 24:39, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is myself (Jesus Christ): Handle me, and see; for as spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." Then, he preceded t eat meat with them. Thomas and the other apostles were in a closed room without windows and Jesus appeared to them and let Doubting Thomas also touch his hands and feet to see he has flesh and bones and is no longer a spirit. There are more than one occasion in which he showed people this fact that he is no longer spirit only. He's a resurrected human being with flesh and bones never to be able to die again. A glorified human man.

It's true that the Bible is correct as far as it is translated correctly. Joseph Smith also stated this. Same with the Book of Mormon except it has only been translated one time when he did this in the late 1820's. The Doctrine and Covenants are the only scripture directly from the Lord Jesus Christ to Prophets in English. Thus, it is very unique.

It takes prophets of God to remove our ignorance about the things of God and God himself. The Intercessory Prayer of John 17 is quite revealing in many ways. First, in verse 3, we are to learn to know God the Father as well as The Son of God. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Jesus goes on to explain that they are "one." But, not one in personage or body. But one in purpose and authority. This was explained as Jesus prayed that we all might become "one" with the Father and Son (and of course, the Holy Ghost). Not one physical body but one in purpose and direction. The Father and Son are alike but separate beings of flesh and bones then. So, as far as how the universe came into existence, and how the Godhead accomplished this, it's not unreasonable to reason that God the Father once was on a planet like earth and went through the same experiences and was glorified, resurrected into a glorified human being as well.

Jesus did not write the bible and Luke never met him and probably ----the two did not have a common language

 

[Woodznutz]

A prophecy has not to come true. It's normally exactly in the opposite. Why to tell someone something what this one is not able to change? I remember I read once 8 chapters until was written something like "... and this all will happen if you will not ...". And I remember also a prophet who was very dissapointed because the people did do what he said. He asked god to punish them anyway otherwise everyone could think he would be a fool. I guess god smiled only about such an absurdity.

God was teaching Jonah a lesson.

 

[zaangalewa]

God was teaching Jonah a lesson.

Means what?

 

[Woodznutz]

Means what?

Get your attitude straight.

 

[zaangalewa]

Get your attitude straight.

Means what?

 

[MaryAnne11]

Do you (Christian) not know you will judge the world

No, I leave that to a higher power than I