I was there: My perspective on bowe bergdahl

The five men released are considered highly dangerous. Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa and Abdul Haq Wasiq are classified as a “high risk” to the United States. Two others, Mohammad Fazl and Mullah Norullah Mori, were present during the 2001 prison riot at Mazar-e Sharif when CIA paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann was killed. Fazl is thought to be the Taliban “army chief of staff”) and a longtime al-Qaeda ally. Wasiq reportedly helped train al-Qaeda. Mullah Norullah Noori, a senior military commander also reportedly have ties with al-Qaeda. Khairullah Khairkhwa, a Taliban governor was also allegedly an al-Qaeda trainer. One is believed to be responsible for the deaths of scores of Shiites in acts of religious terror.

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IMO?

Trade tomahawks instead of terrorists.
 
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Look at the insane shit eaters changing the subject to T Martin, hating a black man in the White House, etc.....such swinging and missing with liberal scum talking points here.
 
Really, Synthia? Are you such a mindless Obama ass-suck that you're claiming these 5 AREN'T terrorists?

Dear Reader fucked up. Hugely. But he's confident that lemmings such as yourself will support him no matter what he does.
Tell me something Dave...If Bergdahl had not walked, away but was captured somehow, and this release between the Taliban and him HAPPENED, would you have agreed to it?

Is this about the 5 Taliban men?(who were going to be released regardless when we leave Afghanistan at year end and GITMO has to by law, be closed)

What exactly is your complaint?

Is it that you do not think the administration should have released the 5 Taliban men because you believe Bergdhal was a deserter and he should just rot in hell there?

Would you have accepted the exchange for him vs the 5 Taliban men if you thought he was captured for reasons other than walking away?


so to recap, if you believed Bergdahl was not a deserter, would you have been for the exchange with these Taliban men?

I would have accepted it had Obama followed instructions to inform the congressional subcommittee and had their approval to make the exchange. He did not. Why?

Because he knew they would not approve.
Why?

Because they would need to answer to constituants.


One wonders what more surprises Obama may offer the American public before his term ends in 2017.

Your certainty in your speculation illustrates that you are not 'fair and balanced', and are willing to believe the worst of every situation because it's Barack Obama. You're the very definition of a partisan hack.

Most Americans believe the President when he says that any leak of the plans would cause the people holding Bergdahl to kill him.
 
The five men released are considered highly dangerous. Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa and Abdul Haq Wasiq are classified as a “high risk” to the United States. Two others, Mohammad Fazl and Mullah Norullah Mori, were present during the 2001 prison riot at Mazar-e Sharif when CIA paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann was killed. Fazl is thought to be the Taliban “army chief of staff”) and a longtime al-Qaeda ally. Wasiq reportedly helped train al-Qaeda. Mullah Norullah Noori, a senior military commander also reportedly have ties with al-Qaeda. Khairullah Khairkhwa, a Taliban governor was also allegedly an al-Qaeda trainer. One is believed to be responsible for the deaths of scores of Shiites in acts of religious terror.

bergdahl-collage.jpg


IMO?

Trade tomahawks instead of terrorists.
Where are the photos of what these guys look like today, 13 years after their capture? :lol:
 
Look at the insane shit eaters changing the subject to T Martin, hating a black man in the White House, etc.....such swinging and missing with liberal scum talking points here.
Uh...that would be daveman.
 
Geezus H. Kryst, at least wait for the final mental/physical examinations/evaluations before rendering your G.I. Joe bullshit analysis. I also have serious doubts that you were there...
He walked away from his post in a combat zone. **** him. I don't have to wait for analysis and some shrinks report.
 
The five men released are considered highly dangerous. Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa and Abdul Haq Wasiq are classified as a “high risk” to the United States. Two others, Mohammad Fazl and Mullah Norullah Mori, were present during the 2001 prison riot at Mazar-e Sharif when CIA paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann was killed. Fazl is thought to be the Taliban “army chief of staff”) and a longtime al-Qaeda ally. Wasiq reportedly helped train al-Qaeda. Mullah Norullah Noori, a senior military commander also reportedly have ties with al-Qaeda. Khairullah Khairkhwa, a Taliban governor was also allegedly an al-Qaeda trainer. One is believed to be responsible for the deaths of scores of Shiites in acts of religious terror.

bergdahl-collage.jpg


IMO?

Trade tomahawks instead of terrorists.
Where are the photos of what these guys look like today, 13 years after their capture? :lol:

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I would have accepted it had Obama followed instructions to inform the congressional subcommittee and had their approval to make the exchange. He did not. Why?

Because he knew they would not approve. Why?

Because they would need to answer to constituants.



Do you think most citizens reject this exchange, even if at a later date, Bergdahl was found to be a deserter?

I don't think so Samson....

MOST people understand that we do not leave a soldier behind, determined to be a deserter later or not.

and since the war in Afghanistan is suppose to be over come year end with our combat troop removal, those Taliban men and everyone in GITMO will be released, and gitmo will be closed....that's the rules of war....

so all of these 5 Tailiban were going to be released REGARDLESS of an exchange for this American soldier.

And, may I ask, why would it be ok to release these 5 taliban men if Bergdahl was NOT a potential deserter?

I understand the concern with Obama not going to congress on this, but that's NOT what I am asking....

I'm not certain the "rules of war" arguement holds much water against terrorists. They have not really exhibited much concern about the subject, and I'm not certain that "Most Americans" would agree that any "war" has ended.

But what "Most Americans" believe is immaterial: That's why we have a congress. They are supposed to represent US.

I understand why you may focus on the irrelevant: The relevant is a bit frightening. If Obama did not consult congress on something as relatively minor as this exchange, what may be his next move?
Naw, I don't think that is frightening at all Samson, because that part is just going to be a "he said, (s)he said"...the administration already stated that they felt it was necessary to get him out now, due to how Bergdahl's appearance had changed and they felt he was sick and needed the help immediately....(not certain if it even can be proved to be otherwise)

And the other side is going to say bull crap to that...and there will be several press conferences and hearings by the republicans, and a gazillion bloggers and partisan sites telling their opinions on each side of the aisle, and then:

the end result will be no wrong doing that can be proven....or at most, the very most, the President will get a slap on the hand for it.

While millions more will be spent of our hard earned tax monies, on investigations and dog and pony shows....with no end result favoring the Republicans, other than getting their "base" riled with my and your tax monies....

Sorry, but the boy cried wolf, one too many times...

Even if some new right wing accusation, ever by chance became true, they can only blame themselves, if most of we the people, don't believe them....because they have cried wolf, one too many a times imho.

And I am certain, many of you truly believe all the "scandals" that you believe Obama is involved in and guilty of, etc etc etc. but from a sane person on the liberal side of the aisle like me, who is married to a life long Republican and is a Disable Vet, the right wing on this site, seems bat sh*t crazy with the hundreds if not thousands of complaints of different wrong doings by this administration, when they sat back and allowed the very same things under President Bush, without a peep. And yes, the left complained about many of those actions when Bush was in power and are not saying a peep now....

tis life in the political world I suppose...

I didn't vote for Obama, in either election...(though I am, and will forever be, a Liberal) and I have "no face" to lose....

and as far as Bergdahl is concerned and his release for the Taliban men, and the rules of war regarding Gitmo having to be closed once we withdraw our combat troops, a quick google will give you your answers...we have to return POW's and noncombatants and anyone in our custody....

We got something, for NOTHING, with that trade for Berndahl, since the 5 were on their way out before year's end, from what I have read up on it, it's a good deal, deserter or no deserter imo.

And, I so differ with those that think a soldier's life and return home, is not worth doing if the public and fellow soldiers believe he deserted, without the proper and fair trial or article procedure given to him to prove and designate him, as a deserter by the Military.

And I would also disagree with those who would leave him there, even if he had been given his due process and designated a deserter....

To me, when getting down to the brass tax, there is absolutely no difference in the Military need and duty to bring a possible deserter home, that has been held captive by our enemies or a soldier in good standing that has been held captive, both are human beings, and both are American citizens, and both should never be left behind. PERIOD.
 
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Do you think most citizens reject this exchange, even if at a later date, Bergdahl was found to be a deserter?

I don't think so Samson....

MOST people understand that we do not leave a soldier behind, determined to be a deserter later or not.

and since the war in Afghanistan is suppose to be over come year end with our combat troop removal, those Taliban men and everyone in GITMO will be released, and gitmo will be closed....that's the rules of war....

so all of these 5 Tailiban were going to be released REGARDLESS of an exchange for this American soldier.

And, may I ask, why would it be ok to release these 5 taliban men if Bergdahl was NOT a potential deserter?

I understand the concern with Obama not going to congress on this, but that's NOT what I am asking....

I'm not certain the "rules of war" arguement holds much water against terrorists. They have not really exhibited much concern about the subject, and I'm not certain that "Most Americans" would agree that any "war" has ended.

But what "Most Americans" believe is immaterial: That's why we have a congress. They are supposed to represent US.

I understand why you may focus on the irrelevant: The relevant is a bit frightening. If Obama did not consult congress on something as relatively minor as this exchange, what may be his next move?
Naw, I don't think that is frightening at all Samson, because that part is just going to be a "he said, (s)he said"...the administration already stated that they felt it was necessary to get him out now, due to how Bergdahl's appearance had changed and they felt he was sick and needed the help immediately....(not certain if it even can be proved to be otherwise)

And the other side is going to say bull crap to that...and there will be several press conferences and hearings by the republicans, and a gazillion bloggers and partisan sites telling their opinions on each side of the aisle, and then:

the end result will be no wrong doing that can be proven....or at most, the very most, the President will get a slap on the hand for it.

While millions more will be spent of our hard earned tax monies, on investigations and dog and pony shows....with no end result favoring the Republicans, other than getting their "base" riled with my and your tax monies....

Sorry, but the boy cried wolf, one too many times...

Even if some new right wing accusation, ever by chance became true, they can only blame themselves, if most of we the people, don't believe them....because they have cried wolf, one too many a times imho.

And I am certain, many of you truly believe all the "scandals" that you believe Obama is involved in and guilty of, etc etc etc. but from a sane person on the liberal side of the aisle like me, who is married to a life long Republican and is a Disable Vet, the right wing on this site, seems bat sh*t crazy with the hundreds if not thousands of complaints of different wrong doings by this administration, when they sat back and allowed the very same things under President Bush, without a peep. And yes, the left complained about many of those actions when Bush was in power and are not saying a peep now....

tis life in the political world I suppose...

I didn't vote for Obama, in either election...(though I am, and will forever be, a Liberal) and I have "no face" to lose....

and as far as Bergdahl is concerned and his release for the Taliban men, and the rules of war regarding Gitmo having to be closed once we withdraw our combat troops, a quick google will give you your answers...we have to return POW's and noncombatants and anyone in our custody....

We got something, for NOTHING, with that trade for Berndahl, since the 5 were on their way out before year's end, from what I have read up on it, and that's a good deal, deserter or no deserter.


And, I so differ with those that think a soldier's life and return home, is not worth doing if the public and fellow soldiers believe he deserted, without the proper and fair trial or article procedure given to him to prove and designate him, as a deserter by the Military.

And I would also disagree with those who would leave him there, even if he had been given his due process and designated a deserter....

To me, when getting down to the brass tax, there is absolutely no difference in the Military need and duty to bring a possible deserter home, that has been held captive by our enemies or a soldier in good standing that has been held captive, both are human beings, and both are American citizens, and both should never be left behind. PERIOD.

And it doesn't matter how many times you say it, none of these wingnuts will even acknowledge you saying it, never mind processing that information before making their next hate-filled post.
 
Do you think most citizens reject this exchange, even if at a later date, Bergdahl was found to be a deserter?

I don't think so Samson....

MOST people understand that we do not leave a soldier behind, determined to be a deserter later or not.

and since the war in Afghanistan is suppose to be over come year end with our combat troop removal, those Taliban men and everyone in GITMO will be released, and gitmo will be closed....that's the rules of war....

so all of these 5 Tailiban were going to be released REGARDLESS of an exchange for this American soldier.

And, may I ask, why would it be ok to release these 5 taliban men if Bergdahl was NOT a potential deserter?

I understand the concern with Obama not going to congress on this, but that's NOT what I am asking....

I'm not certain the "rules of war" arguement holds much water against terrorists. They have not really exhibited much concern about the subject, and I'm not certain that "Most Americans" would agree that any "war" has ended.

But what "Most Americans" believe is immaterial: That's why we have a congress. They are supposed to represent US.

I understand why you may focus on the irrelevant: The relevant is a bit frightening. If Obama did not consult congress on something as relatively minor as this exchange, what may be his next move?
Naw, I don't think that is frightening at all Samson, because that part is just going to be a "he said, (s)he said"...the administration already stated that they felt it was necessary to get him out now, due to how Bergdahl's appearance had changed and they felt he was sick and needed the help immediately....(not certain if it even can be proved to be otherwise)

And the other side is going to say bull crap to that...and there will be several press conferences and hearings by the republicans, and a gazillion bloggers and partisan sites telling their opinions on each side of the aisle, and then:

the end result will be no wrong doing that can be proven....or at most, the very most, the President will get a slap on the hand for it.

While millions more will be spent of our hard earned tax monies, on investigations and dog and pony shows....with no end result favoring the Republicans, other than getting their "base" riled with my and your tax monies....

Sorry, but the boy cried wolf, one too many times...

Even if some new right wing accusation, ever by chance became true, they can only blame themselves, if most of we the people, don't believe them....because they have cried wolf, one too many a times imho.

And I am certain, many of you truly believe all the "scandals" that you believe Obama is involved in and guilty of, etc etc etc. but from a sane person on the liberal side of the aisle like me, who is married to a life long Republican and is a Disable Vet, the right wing on this site, seems bat sh*t crazy with the hundreds if not thousands of complaints of different wrong doings by this administration, when they sat back and allowed the very same things under President Bush, without a peep. And yes, the left complained about many of those actions when Bush was in power and are not saying a peep now....

tis life in the political world I suppose...

I didn't vote for Obama, in either election...(though I am, and will forever be, a Liberal) and I have "no face" to lose....

and as far as Bergdahl is concerned and his release for the Taliban men, and the rules of war regarding Gitmo having to be closed once we withdraw our combat troops, a quick google will give you your answers...we have to return POW's and noncombatants and anyone in our custody....

We got something, for NOTHING, with that trade for Berndahl, since the 5 were on their way out before year's end, from what I have read up on it, it's a good deal, deserter or no deserter imo.

And, I so differ with those that think a soldier's life and return home, is not worth doing if the public and fellow soldiers believe he deserted, without the proper and fair trial or article procedure given to him to prove and designate him, as a deserter by the Military.

And I would also disagree with those who would leave him there, even if he had been given his due process and designated a deserter....

To me, when getting down to the brass tax, there is absolutely no difference in the Military need and duty to bring a possible deserter home, that has been held captive by our enemies or a soldier in good standing that has been held captive, both are human beings, and both are American citizens, and both should never be left behind. PERIOD.



great post, my friend... :clap:
 
Tell me something Dave...If Bergdahl had not walked, away but was captured somehow, and this release between the Taliban and him HAPPENED, would you have agreed to it?

Is this about the 5 Taliban men?(who were going to be released regardless when we leave Afghanistan at year end and GITMO has to by law, be closed)

What exactly is your complaint?

Is it that you do not think the administration should have released the 5 Taliban men because you believe Bergdhal was a deserter and he should just rot in hell there?

Would you have accepted the exchange for him vs the 5 Taliban men if you thought he was captured for reasons other than walking away?


so to recap, if you believed Bergdahl was not a deserter, would you have been for the exchange with these Taliban men?

I would have accepted it had Obama followed instructions to inform the congressional subcommittee and had their approval to make the exchange. He did not. Why?

Because he knew they would not approve.
Why?

Because they would need to answer to constituants.


One wonders what more surprises Obama may offer the American public before his term ends in 2017.

Your certainty in your speculation illustrates that you are not 'fair and balanced', and are willing to believe the worst of every situation because it's Barack Obama. You're the very definition of a partisan hack.

Most Americans believe the President when he says that any leak of the plans would cause the people holding Bergdahl to kill him.

Just stating a fact: Congresspeople need to worry about their decisions, because they'll be re-elected: Obama doesn't.

However, the excuse that he so worried that members congress would leak the information speaks volumes about his relationship with the legislature after 6 years of leading the Executive branch of our government.

He cannot lead.
 
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The five men released are considered highly dangerous. Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa and Abdul Haq Wasiq are classified as a “high risk” to the United States. Two others, Mohammad Fazl and Mullah Norullah Mori, were present during the 2001 prison riot at Mazar-e Sharif when CIA paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann was killed. Fazl is thought to be the Taliban “army chief of staff”) and a longtime al-Qaeda ally. Wasiq reportedly helped train al-Qaeda. Mullah Norullah Noori, a senior military commander also reportedly have ties with al-Qaeda. Khairullah Khairkhwa, a Taliban governor was also allegedly an al-Qaeda trainer. One is believed to be responsible for the deaths of scores of Shiites in acts of religious terror.

bergdahl-collage.jpg


IMO?

Trade tomahawks instead of terrorists.
I understand half the pitching staffs in MLB right now are sporting Muslim beards. What to do....what to do....
 
...We got something, for NOTHING, with that trade for Berndahl, since the 5 were on their way out before year's end....

Hope you don't mind if I've simplified: The context is still available.

A. I'm not as certain about your crystal ball as you are. Lacking such a wonderful device, the future for me remains much less certain. I do not see that "the 5 were on their way out before year's end." I do not see that they will never participate in terrorism again.

Hopefully, you're very good at predicting the future.

The statement that "we got something for NOTHING" means you have absolute faith in your crystal ball. Lacking such 20/20 vision of future events, I must settle for the acceptance that we got something for SOMETHING.

SOMETHING is a much higher risk that the USA will suffer a terrorist attack associated with the freedom of these 5 individuals than if they were in GITMO. I'll be very happy if none of my children are killed in such an attack, but if they are Obama, and his supporters, like yourself, will be the root cause.
 
Do you think most citizens reject this exchange, even if at a later date, Bergdahl was found to be a deserter?

I don't think so Samson....

MOST people understand that we do not leave a soldier behind, determined to be a deserter later or not.

and since the war in Afghanistan is suppose to be over come year end with our combat troop removal, those Taliban men and everyone in GITMO will be released, and gitmo will be closed....that's the rules of war....

so all of these 5 Tailiban were going to be released REGARDLESS of an exchange for this American soldier.

And, may I ask, why would it be ok to release these 5 taliban men if Bergdahl was NOT a potential deserter?

I understand the concern with Obama not going to congress on this, but that's NOT what I am asking....

I'm not certain the "rules of war" arguement holds much water against terrorists. They have not really exhibited much concern about the subject, and I'm not certain that "Most Americans" would agree that any "war" has ended.

But what "Most Americans" believe is immaterial: That's why we have a congress. They are supposed to represent US.

I understand why you may focus on the irrelevant: The relevant is a bit frightening. If Obama did not consult congress on something as relatively minor as this exchange, what may be his next move?
Naw, I don't think that is frightening at all Samson, because that part is just going to be a "he said, (s)he said"...the administration already stated that they felt it was necessary to get him out now, due to how Bergdahl's appearance had changed and they felt he was sick and needed the help immediately....(not certain if it even can be proved to be otherwise)

And the other side is going to say bull crap to that...and there will be several press conferences and hearings by the republicans, and a gazillion bloggers and partisan sites telling their opinions on each side of the aisle, and then:

the end result will be no wrong doing that can be proven....or at most, the very most, the President will get a slap on the hand for it.

While millions more will be spent of our hard earned tax monies, on investigations and dog and pony shows....with no end result favoring the Republicans, other than getting their "base" riled with my and your tax monies....

Sorry, but the boy cried wolf, one too many times...

Even if some new right wing accusation, ever by chance became true, they can only blame themselves, if most of we the people, don't believe them....because they have cried wolf, one too many a times imho.

And I am certain, many of you truly believe all the "scandals" that you believe Obama is involved in and guilty of, etc etc etc. but from a sane person on the liberal side of the aisle like me, who is married to a life long Republican and is a Disable Vet, the right wing on this site, seems bat sh*t crazy with the hundreds if not thousands of complaints of different wrong doings by this administration, when they sat back and allowed the very same things under President Bush, without a peep. And yes, the left complained about many of those actions when Bush was in power and are not saying a peep now....

tis life in the political world I suppose...

I didn't vote for Obama, in either election...(though I am, and will forever be, a Liberal) and I have "no face" to lose....

and as far as Bergdahl is concerned and his release for the Taliban men, and the rules of war regarding Gitmo having to be closed once we withdraw our combat troops, a quick google will give you your answers...we have to return POW's and noncombatants and anyone in our custody....

We got something, for NOTHING, with that trade for Berndahl, since the 5 were on their way out before year's end, from what I have read up on it, it's a good deal, deserter or no deserter imo.

And, I so differ with those that think a soldier's life and return home, is not worth doing if the public and fellow soldiers believe he deserted, without the proper and fair trial or article procedure given to him to prove and designate him, as a deserter by the Military.

And I would also disagree with those who would leave him there, even if he had been given his due process and designated a deserter....

To me, when getting down to the brass tax, there is absolutely no difference in the Military need and duty to bring a possible deserter home, that has been held captive by our enemies or a soldier in good standing that has been held captive, both are human beings, and both are American citizens, and both should never be left behind. PERIOD.


With all due respect only the blindest of partisans can look at this President or ANY President from EITHER Party with ALL of this crap swirling around him and say "nothing to see here".

This is a flat out lawless administration whether it has to do with Healthcare, Immigration, the IRS or whatever.
It has flaunted the Constitution and made a mockery of our legal system.

WE in our history have NEVER seen anything like this, and before this we would NEVER have stood for any of this crap.

Nixon was a Boy Scout compared to this man.

As for Bergdahl, yes he deserves to come home, but he has to be tried and suffer the full weight of Military Justice for what he did.

As for POW'S, the GC reads that that shall be returned "at the cessation of all hostilities".

Hostilities will not be ending on the last day of Dec 2014.
 
^^^ Thinks "dangerous" and "terrorist" are interchangeable.
Really, Synthia? Are you such a mindless Obama ass-suck that you're claiming these 5 AREN'T terrorists?

Dear Reader fucked up. Hugely. But he's confident that lemmings such as yourself will support him no matter what he does.
Tell me something Dave...If Bergdahl had not walked, away but was captured somehow, and this release between the Taliban and him HAPPENED, would you have agreed to it?

Is this about the 5 Taliban men?(who were going to be released regardless when we leave Afghanistan at year end and GITMO has to by law, be closed)

What exactly is your complaint?

Is it that you do not think the administration should have released the 5 Taliban men because you believe Bergdhal was a deserter and he should just rot in hell there?

Would you have accepted the exchange for him vs the 5 Taliban men if you thought he was captured for reasons other than walking away?


so to recap, if you believed Bergdahl was not a deserter, would you have been for the exchange with these Taliban men?
If Bergdahl had indeed been captured, instead of walking willingly into the arms of the Taliban, every effort would have been made to recover him. When the Pentagon concluded he walked away, all recovery efforts ceased.

I'm conflicted about what should have been done with him. He made his choice. Leaving him where he was would have suited me. Conversely, he should be brought home to face investigation and justice -- without the anticipated political interference from the White House. I have no doubt there will be a great deal of pressure on the court martial to be very lenient on him. If found guilty of either AWOL or desertion, he should also be held responsible for the deaths of the military members who died trying to find him. He should never again walk freely.

The five terrorists should have been tagged with locators and/or tracked with Global Hawk. 20 minutes after the exchange, they should have been vaporized by orbiting F-22s. As it stands now, Obama has released terrorists who have vowed to return to killing Americans and Afghanis. That blood will be on Obama's hands.

Some amazingly stupid people believe Obama did a good thing.
 
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