I was there: My perspective on bowe bergdahl

[Antares]

I'm not believing anyone until all the final reports are disclosed. Bergdahl is a combat soldier who is innocent until proven otherwise. No rush to judgement...

BTW, where is the link to your OP?

...and yet everyone of you had Zimmerman hung before it ever went to trial.

You people are hypocritical hacks.

Really?


I didn't.


I said, over and over and over again: wait until the facts are out.


meh. You are boring.

You'll live, now go play with Jake, you are almost at his level.

 

[bodecea]

Hey, moron, the author of the article was there. I didn't say I was.

And let it be noted that the mindless drones in the White House who cast aspersions on Bergdahl's fellow Soldiers weren't there, either -- but you mindlessly and unquestioningly believed them, didn't you?

I'm not believing anyone until all the final reports are disclosed. Bergdahl is a combat soldier who is innocent until proven otherwise. No rush to judgement...

BTW, where is the link to your OP?

...and yet everyone of you had Zimmerman hung before it ever went to trial.

You people are hypocritical hacks.

Nope. Did not.

 

[Harry Dresden]

They don't give a ****. Soldiers fight for the guy in the next foxhole, not for the POTUS, or the CONUS, or for the good ole' USA. They fight for the guy they know...right next to them. When one of them deserts, they neither forget, nor forgive.

Thats if he did desert. Even if he did, good on him. Who wants to be in a war based on lies. Thought the Yanks would learn from Viet nam...but, nope....

it seems to me the Aussies were there too.....just saying....

 

[1776]

Liberals are idiots, especially liberals that hate the military but try to use the military for their own fucked up anti-US agenda.

 

[longknife]

What do our soldiers think about Bush lying to the entire world to start a war that the US designed to never end and torturing POWs like we're the Viet Cong?

Someone should ask them.

Ask what I think of Obamabots like you who know nothing better than the Blame-Bush script.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I WAS THERE: MY PERSPECTIVE ON BOWE BERGDAHL

A few days ago, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel took the stage at Bagram Air Field in Afghanistan and excitedly started with what he thought would be a big applause line. “We got him back!” he exclaimed.

Silence.

Not. Even. One. Clap.

Numerous White House leaks show that Obama and his team were convinced that Americans would greet the news of a returning POW with elation; that this would be the great moment in Obama’s second term. This shows just how clueless they are about the military. Let me clue them in.

You see, when Hagel took the stage, he expected joy at the announcement that one of their own was returned! However, you have to see inside a soldier’s mind to understand what was going on here. I believe I can provide a little insight.

When a soldier deserts his post, when he writes that he is ashamed to be an American, when he gives the enemy secrets (and he did), he is no longer “one of us”. He is a traitor. He is not a brother-in-arms.

Soldiers risk their lives for each other every day on the battlefield, there is a trust and respect they have for each other. For Bowe Bergdahl to break that trust and the Secretary of Defense to announce a hero’s welcome instead of a court-martial is a huge let-down.

He isn't one of their own. He is one of them. He is the enemy.

That's not something to celebrate.

The message the White House is sending is that they value treason more than honorable service.​

And does that blog article have a video, perchance, to prove that there was not even one bit of applause when Hagel spoke and reportedly said "We got him back"?

And are you aware of US-military regulations regarding comportment of officers and enlisted personnel during a dignitary's visit, esp. a speech?

You do realize that every one of these kind of ceremonies is recorded, right?

Just throwing you a life-line, there...


Hint: I've seen the video.

You do realize that you are full of shit, don't you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So let's put this in perspective.

Republicans were all calling for Bergdahl's release. Until the Black Guy Did It.

It's one of those cases were Obama just can't win. He gets yelled at because he didn't get Bergdahl out and then he gets yelled at for getting him out.

I'd like to ask questions like how did a misfit like Bergdahl who washed out of COAST GUARD basic training get picked up by the Army?

Let us put this in perspective.

You, JoeB131, are a racist fuckwad. This has nothing to do with the color of Obama's skin to anyone but the racist fuckwads who are defending him because he screwed up so bad that they can't come up with anything else to defend him. I love the way you iggnore the fact that that non racist fickwad Dianne Feinstein is just asoutraged by Obama's actions as the Republicans. Does it make it easier for you to be a racist fuckwad when yo ignore inconvenient facts?

For the record, Coast Guard boot camp is more about law enforcement than military training, so they have different standards. Perhaps he washed out when he discovered he wouldn't be kicking down doors.
Own it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

with the exception of one person saying once that he served with honor and distinction what gives you the impression anyone is calling him a hero?

The fact that that one person was briefed on what to say by the White House, and the fact that she also said he was captured on the battlefield.

Any other stupid questions?

She absolutely put the best light possible in her ''airing'' on world wide television...no question about it....

I would have done the same....

You would have gone on TV knowing that he walked away from his post and went looking for the Taliban in order to talk to them and claimed that he served with "honor and distinction" and that he was "captured on the battlefield"? Why? Did you notice that she isn't even sticking with that crap lie now?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

POTUS failed to use the proper channels again.

Due to closed doors. Due to Obama.

And you guys are arguing after that most serious fact that is so much more important than Bergdahl.

Actually, no.

It's more complicated than that:

Sorting Murky Issues on the POW Swap

And POW exchanges are generally held behind closed doors.


There are only 3 facts we know for sure:

Bergdahl, an American soldier, was captured and held for 5 years by the Taliban.

Bergdahl was released in a prisoner swap.

Bergdahl is now back in the USA after being treated at Landshut Hospital in the BRD.


Anything else is absolute speculation.

Funny, there happen to be a few facts you left out.

Bergdahl walked away from his post.

Obama ignored the law he signed that required him to inform Congress of the release.

The Democrats n Congress are just as upset by the deal as the Republicans.

The liberal press is asking the same questions as Fox News.

But, please, keep pretending you know the difference between officers and enlisted personnel better than anyone who has ever been in the military.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And part of those facts are that we are leaving Afghanistan, and by law, GITMO has to release ALL prisoners, including these 5 Taliban men.....no way around it...

we got something, Bergdahl, for Nothing.....since these guys were going to be released before year's end anyway, right? ....whether Bergdahl walked away or not....from all the taliban correspondence that was captured, he DID NOT join them or cooperate with them.

And, there were concerns about his physical and mental stability after 5 years of being held hostage....and comparable videos of him....he certainly has suffered for his crazy transgressions....

so, yes we released 5 Taliban men to Qatar's custody, so to say, for a year....but they would have been released irregardless....in just months.

Not true, the NDAA still applies to the prisoners in Gitmo, and Obama just signed an extension of it last year that actually restricts his ability to release them.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You are speaking in general terms, which is fine. I am speaking specifically related to Bergdahl, since that's the jist of the OP.

No. I'm speaking of the POTUS's decision to isolate the Congress in the Bergdahl event.

This is why the Democrats are now running around making comparisons.

It's rather pointed and not general. Both parties do this, however this sitting President passes over (pun not intended) his true Power of Presidential Decree in order to effect moves that are over and above that power.

Now that's what the Congress will be centering on. They have this, Benghazi and so much more. Those are also specific acts that show the closed door approach.

I'm not.

I want to see what happens with Bergdahl.

Now, as to informing congress, as I already wrote you, it is more complicated that that, also juristically speaking.


There is still great debate over the war powers act and how every single president since it's becoming law has then ignored said act.

You wrote that it is more complicated? When did you become an expert on US law? Can you explain how it is complicated when the law specifically spells out Obama's responsibilities, and he actually signed it?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

I'm not believing anyone until all the final reports are disclosed. Bergdahl is a combat soldier who is innocent until proven otherwise. No rush to judgement...

BTW, where is the link to your OP?

Liberal saying "no rush to judgment"is laughable.

Can you say Zimmerman?!?!?

Thanks. Do you wonder if he can say "Arizona congresswoman shooting blamed on Sarah Palin? Amazing the selective memory of liberals. There are plenty more examples and my conservative and libertarian friends here will be only to happy to remind y'all. Maybe a liberal too if there is an honest one online.

 

[daveman]

Those links are to declassified Bush government documents. Do you understand? It's not an op-ed by Ronan Farrow. It's information put out by the Bush administration. Since you support Bush's war so much, read the papers from the Bush administration which point out how and when they manipulated false information regarding Iraq to justify the 2003 invasion.

"At this point, what does it matter?"

There will be no perp walk. No trial at the Hague. You will spend your life bitter and disappointed.

Guaranteed.

And that attitude is exactly why terrorism against the US will continue.

Guaranteed.

Like all Republicans, you intentionally left out the next line in her famous quote: "We're supposed to learn from our mistakes and make sure this kind of thing never happens again." Paraphrased, but still hollow words coming from a Clinton, and intentional propaganda when censored by Republicans. What's really ******* pathetic about the GOP is that if those 4 Americans hadn't died in Benghazi, you still wouldn't give a shit about them. You wouldn't know their names or even pretend to care. They're a political tool for you, nothing more, because you don't have souls.

Bush lied to start a war that the US government designed 30 years ago to never end. The fact that so many millions of Americans don't care is why a full third of the world's population hates the United States of America.

Yeah, yeah, the US sucks and is responsible for all the evil in the world. Never heard THAT before.

There will always be terrorism against the US because there will always be radical Islam. Period. End of story. Progressives weeping for poor misunderstood "freedom fighter" are pathetic. The jihadis appreciate your unthinking, blind support, but they'd kill you too, given half a chance.

 

[daveman]

Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one. You're entitled to yours...

You support Obama releasing those bastards?

Not at all surprising, really.

Yes, I support releasing them because people with much better information than you and I have access to made the decision based on various criteria that we don't know.

Horseshit.

Military officials urged Obama not to trade Taliban ?4-star generals,? source says | Fox News

Senior military officials had advised President Obama not to make the Taliban-for-Bergdahl trade, a senior Defense official told Fox News, likening it to "handing over five four-star generals of the Taliban."

The claim adds to the picture that is emerging about the tense internal debate over whether to proceed with freeing five hardened Taliban leaders from Guantanamo in exchange for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's release.

Sources told Fox News earlier this week that the Obama administration largely bypassed the intelligence community to green-light the swap, after such an exchange was first floated several years ago.

The Defense official, in explaining internal military opposition to the exchange, said many in the military considered Bergdahl to be a traitor -- a reference to allegations that he deliberately abandoned his post in 2009.

Yet on the other end of the trade were five high-value, sought-after Taliban leaders. The U.S. government's own records show some of them had ties to top terror figures including Mullah Omar and Usama bin Laden. Many Republican lawmakers have raised concerns that their freedom poses a major national security risk​

 

[daveman]

I presume you are familiar with the phrase
"No one left behind."
I have looked long and closely at that phrase. I do not see any conditions attached to it. Perhaps you could point out the conditions that say Bergdahl should be left behind.

Not saying he should be left behind. He should be brought home to face justice.

But trading him for 5 high-level terrorists, WHO HAVE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO KILL AMERICANS AND AFGHANIS, is colossally stupid.

You can't have it both ways. I am sure that when Bergdahl is brought back his behavior will be closely examined by military courts who will make decisions as to what charges he should face. THAT, is not for you or me or the public to decide.

And the White House needs to stay out of it, too. I'm not going to hold my breath.

Now, as for the five prisoners who were traded, show me EXACTLY where "No one left behind" puts any restrictions on the number of prisoners traded.
To expand on the number of prisoners traded, are you so studid as to believe that the 5 al Qaida members will just be dropped off at some corner in Qatar and allowed to stroll off like some tourist? Are you really that stupid? I have absolutely no doubt that the Qatar government and the CIA will be on them like white on rice. Basically these five have targets on their backs the size of beach balls. I would not be a bit surprised if three or four of them die "accidental" deaths in the next year.

Well, aren't you gullible.

 

[daveman]

The Pentagon didn't know shit in 2010 - mainly because it didn't have Bergdahl's input.

So the only relevant evidence is his testimony?

No.

What's your rush to brand him a deserter?

No rush. Just stating the obvious.

 

[daveman]

Why do you hate soldiers? Isn't Bergdahl innocent or at least given the benefit of doubt until proven otherwise? Why your big rush to judgement?

I served my 20. I didn't walk away when it got hard. I didn't walk away when I didn't like the job. Bergdahl doesn't deserve respect. Obama doesn't deserve respect for freeing 5 high-level terrorists.

^^^ Doesn't know his al Qaeda from his Taliban.

^^^ Can't help but be a dumbass.

President Obama Trades Al Qaeda-Linked Taliban Leaders For Release of American Soldier | JONATHAN TURLEY

The five men released are considered highly dangerous. Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa and Abdul Haq Wasiq are classified as a “high risk” to the United States. Two others, Mohammad Fazl and Mullah Norullah Mori, were present during the 2001 prison riot at Mazar-e Sharif when CIA paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann was killed. Fazl is thought to be the Taliban “army chief of staff”) and a longtime al-Qaeda ally. Wasiq reportedly helped train al-Qaeda. Mullah Norullah Noori, a senior military commander also reportedly have ties with al-Qaeda. Khairullah Khairkhwa, a Taliban governor was also allegedly an al-Qaeda trainer. One is believed to be responsible for the deaths of scores of Shiites in acts of religious terror.​

 

[Samson]

Not saying he should be left behind. He should be brought home to face justice.

But trading him for 5 high-level terrorists, WHO HAVE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO KILL AMERICANS AND AFGHANIS, is colossally stupid.

You can't have it both ways. I am sure that when Bergdahl is brought back his behavior will be closely examined by military courts who will make decisions as to what charges he should face. THAT, is not for you or me or the public to decide.

And the White House needs to stay out of it, too. I'm not going to hold my breath.

Now, as for the five prisoners who were traded, show me EXACTLY where "No one left behind" puts any restrictions on the number of prisoners traded.
To expand on the number of prisoners traded, are you so studid as to believe that the 5 al Qaida members will just be dropped off at some corner in Qatar and allowed to stroll off like some tourist? Are you really that stupid? I have absolutely no doubt that the Qatar government and the CIA will be on them like white on rice. Basically these five have targets on their backs the size of beach balls. I would not be a bit surprised if three or four of them die "accidental" deaths in the next year.

Well, aren't you gullible.

Are we ignoring the Veteran's Administration Scandal Yet???

 

[daveman]

Geezus H. Kryst, at least wait for the final mental/physical examinations/evaluations before rending your G.I. Joe bullshit analysis. I also have serious doubts that you were there...

My apologies, Lakhota. I forgot to post the link. I've edited the OP.

Again, I'm sorry.

apologies are a sign of weakness, that ******* libernut deserves no apologies !!

from the beginning i knew there was something missing.

When I make a mistake, I correct it. If I've wronged someone, I correct it and apologize.

 

[daveman]

Letting bin Laden escape so you can ramp up a War On Terror makes it bogus.

YAWN
left-wing losers have a million conspiracy theories they cant back up with facts

If I thought you could comprehend I would paste the links again. But you're a retard.

Ahhh, the old "Why should I bother?" ploy. You know, the one you give me shit for using.

I guess it's different...somehow...it just is!!...when you do it, huh?