I miss Trump

[Slade3200]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

 

[bripat9643]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you call "decreasing consumption" or "off grid measures." Adding more insulation to housing is not infrastructure spending.

 

[Slade3200]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you "decreasing consumption."

It’s pretty simple. A city will consume XX amount of watts of electricity. As the city grows your grid will need to be upgraded to produce more watts (scenario 1 that I asked about which you confirmed is infrastructure spending) OR you can decrease consumption by making buildings more energy efficient and including alternate energy producing technologies like solar and wind etc. Either way, whether we are buying equipment to beef up the grid or investing to decrease consumption and produce energy from alternate sources. All is going towards the same thing which is all infrastructure

 

[bripat9643]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you "decreasing consumption."

It’s pretty simple. A city will consume XX amount of watts of electricity. As the city grows your grid will need to be upgraded to produce more watts (scenario 1 that I asked about which you confirmed is infrastructure spending) OR you can decrease consumption by making buildings more energy efficient and including alternate energy producing technologies like solar and wind etc. Either way, whether we are buying equipment to beef up the grid or investing to decrease consumption and produce energy from alternate sources. All is going towards the same thing which is all infrastructure

Nope.

 

[Slade3200]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you "decreasing consumption."

It’s pretty simple. A city will consume XX amount of watts of electricity. As the city grows your grid will need to be upgraded to produce more watts (scenario 1 that I asked about which you confirmed is infrastructure spending) OR you can decrease consumption by making buildings more energy efficient and including alternate energy producing technologies like solar and wind etc. Either way, whether we are buying equipment to beef up the grid or investing to decrease consumption and produce energy from alternate sources. All is going towards the same thing which is all infrastructure

Nope.

Ha ha. Yes. That you can’t even make an argument and all you can say is nope shows how empty your gun is. First you said there was zero infrastructure and then said 5% now 15%? Your whole argument is a joke and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Try again another day.

 

[beautress]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you "decreasing consumption."

I miss President Trump too. He manned up and ignored Democrat lies. Hillary's surreptitious and vituperative "Steel Dossier" that invented ridiculous lies to humiliate and destroy, MaKKKscene Waters' demands for her drugged-on-power sycophants to stalk Prezident Trump's staff, based arrests of his supporters based on lies obfuscating the truth by Democrats and their army of haters and false name-calling reporters on their lies of the day campaign repeated literally thousands of times a day by all MSM and their 300 small time p'wned stations all over the nation who were dedicated to the decimation of American Constitution's rights and freedoms by the anti-judeo-Christian haters, black baby abortion pushers, and Communist Party members aiding with the atheistic Marxist and socialist n'er-do-well hangers-on for no holds barred harassment of President Trump, his wife, children, staff, friends, business associates, accountants, lawyers, cabinet, and all his supporters and even those who were red hats with "Make America Great Again" embroidered or stamped on them .

Last but not least, they cheated the American voters out of their clear choice of President Trump's second term at 3am when Democrats lied they were closing the polls and locked out Republicans assigned to look out for cheating. In Georgia a camera left on of the voting recorded the lockout and subsequent acts of Democrat mischief of pulling out scammed Biden votes by the thousands to be inserted into the voting machines over and over continuously for hours on end to bring Trump's landslide win to a phony Biden win. All were lying Demmies and they covered their crimes to make it look above board which was roundly disproved by the hidden camera.

Democrats think they have the Constitution over a barrel. They are beating themselves up trying to frame Republicans and obfuscating the truth by Omeurta trickery. I am not buying the legitimacy of the 2020 Election. It was, is, and will remain a fraud against all that is good about America the good and generous nation we were before Joe Biden decided he would use high office to threaten people receiving American foreign aid for 30% of their receipts or he would stop the music on their much needed windfall. The only way the Democrats could weasel out of their point man Joe Biden was to cheat the American people out of a Trump majority win and lie their royal blue butts off.

 

[JimH52]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you "decreasing consumption."

I miss President Trump too. He manned up and ignored Democrat lies. Hillary's surreptitious and vituperative "Steel Dossier" that invented ridiculous lies to humiliate and destroy, MaKKKscene Waters' demands for her drugged-on-power sycophants to stalk Prezident Trump's staff, based arrests of his supporters based on lies obfuscating the truth by Democrats and their army of haters and false name-calling reporters on their lies of the day campaign repeated literally thousands of times a day by all MSM and their 300 small time p'wned stations all over the nation who were dedicated to the decimation of American Constitution's rights and freedoms by the anti-judeo-Christian haters, black baby abortion pushers, and Communist Party members aiding with the atheistic Marxist and socialist n'er-do-well hangers-on for no holds barred harassment of President Trump, his wife, children, staff, friends, business associates, accountants, lawyers, cabinet, and all his supporters and even those who were red hats with "Make America Great Again" embroidered or stamped on them .

Last but not least, they cheated the American voters out of their clear choice of President Trump's second term at 3am when Democrats lied they were closing the polls and locked out Republicans assigned to look out for cheating. In Georgia a camera left on of the voting recorded the lockout and subsequent acts of Democrat mischief of pulling out scammed Biden votes by the thousands to be inserted into the voting machines over and over continuously for hours on end to bring Trump's landslide win to a phony Biden win. All were lying Demmies and they covered their crimes to make it look above board which was roundly disproved by the hidden camera.

Democrats think they have the Constitution over a barrel. They are beating themselves up trying to frame Republicans and obfuscating the truth by Omeurta trickery. I am not buying the legitimacy of the 2020 Election. It was, is, and will remain a fraud against all that is good about America the good and generous nation we were before Joe Biden decided he would use high office to threaten people receiving American foreign aid for 30% of their receipts or he would stop the music on their much needed windfall. The only way the Democrats could weasel out of their point man Joe Biden was to cheat the American people out of a Trump majority win and lie their royal blue butts off.

You sound pretty miserable...

 

[Leo123]

You sound pretty miserable...

Off topic....Mods?

 

[Indeependent]

Ugh i dont.
Whats the big differences between this covid bill and the ones trump signed? Besides biden putting more oversight on the loan process so billionaires arent getting bailed out by our great grandchildren?

Biden is providing more oversight? His "infrastructure" is nothing but a grab bag of every welfare program any Democrat ever wanted. There's no infrastructure in it.

You are certifiably brain-dead.

There’s no infrastructure? Really? Well what would an example of an infrastructure project be in your mind?

there's about 5%. Infrastructure would be a bridge, a road, an airport, a damn.

Haha, ok so it’s now not zero it’s 5%, which i guarantee you are either pulling out of your ass or parroting from a right wing propaganda media source. Don’t be lazy

Wrong, turd. I did some simple division.

Please show an accounting of anything more than $100 billion in infrastructure.

If you did the "simple division" then you post your numbers. What a fucking twat you still are. Know nothing and post everything. Asshole.

$621 billion for transportation includes:

• $115 billion for modernizing roads, highways, and bridges -
• $20 billion for road safety – pork, not infrastructure
• $85 billion for public transit – waste of money
• $80 billion for Amtrak and freight rail service – What the fuck does this mean?
• $174 billion for electric vehicles – pork, not infrastructure
• $25 billion for airports
• $17 billion for ports
• $20 billion for neighborhoods historically excluded from transportation investments – pork, not infrastructure
• $25 billion to fund new projects – meaningless. Not infrastructure.
• $50 billion for infrastructure resilience, with a special emphasis on more vulnerable areas – pork, not infrastructure

Total

$621 - $20 - $80 - $174 - $20 - $25 - $50 = $301

$111 billion for water infrastructure includes:

• $45 billion towards fully eliminating lead pipes through various programs – this is a scam
• $56 billion in loans and grants to help modernize water systems around the country – they don’t need modernizing.
• $10 billion for monitoring and fixing substances in drinking water – What substances?

$0

Broadband and power

• $100 billion for broadband – we can solve this issue by giving people a Starlink account. Furthermore, it’s just another form of welfare.
• $100 billion for power infrastructure includes:
  • $16 billion towards plugging old wells and cleaning up abandoned mines – not infrastructure
  • $5 billion towards revamping former industrial and energy sites – what the fuck is “revamping
  • $10 billion for the creation of a Civilian Climate Corps - Creae a propaganda and brainwashing dept.

$0

Housing and education

$213 billion for creating and retrofitting over 2 million housing units, with a $40 billion investment in public housing infrastructure- Housgin is nott infrastructure. This is just more welfare.

• $100 billion for upgrading and building public schools – New School buildings should already be paid for. The money that was supposed to pay for them when down the teacher’s union sewer hole.
• $12 billion for community college infrastructure - welfare
• $25 billion for upgrading childcare facilities and making it more widely accessible
  • This is accompanied by a tax credit to incentivize building childcare at Americans' places of work - welfare
• $18 billion to modernize Veterans Affairs hospitals, as well as $10 billion for federal buildings. The government already spends vast amounts on its buildings. No one means government office buildings when they use the term “infrastucture.”
• $400 billion towards home/community care for the elderly and disabled
  • This would expand access, and seek to improve wages, benefits, and unionization for workers in the industry. – welfare

$0

Research and development

• $180 billion towards R&D includes:
  • $50 billion for the National Science Foundation
  • $30 billion for innovation and job creation R&D
  • $40 billion in upgrading research infrastructure, with half allocated to Historically Black College and Universities (HBCUs) as well as "Minority Serving Institutions" (MSIs)
  • $10 billion for those HBCUs and MSIs, as well as $15 billion to create over 200 centers at them to serve as research incubators
  • $35 billion in climate research and development

R & D isn’t infrastructure, especially if it’s for “climate research,” which is nothing more than propaganda.

$300 billion for American manufacturing and small business

• $50 billion for a new office for a new office focused on domestic industry – we don’t need any new government agencies
• $50 billion for research and manufacturing for semiconductors – the Semiconductor industry has been doing fine without government help.
• $30 billion to create new jobs and fend off losses during future pandemics - welfare
• $46 billion for federal buying, with an emphasis on various clean technologies – clean energy boondoggle
• $20 billion for regional innovation hubs – government boondoggle
• $14 billion towards increasing competitiveness through technological advances – government boondoggle
• $52 billion to domestic manufacturers – for what?
• $31 billion for programs providing credit, R&D funding, and venture capital to small businesses – Don’t’ we already have this? It’s called the SBA, and it’s a boondoggle
• $5 billion to create a new "Rural Partnership Program," aimed at supporting local rural efforts – welfare

$100 billion for workforce development includes:

• $40 billion towards career services and training for workers who have lost jobs - welfare
• $12 billion in targeted funding towards "workers facing some of the greatest challenges," prioritizing underserved and hard hit communities, with $5 billion towards "evidence-based community violence prevention programs" - welfare
• $48 billion towards worker protection and development infrastructure, including an expansion of apprenticeships, with a particular emphasis on women and people of color – welfare.

Total actual spending on infrastructure? $302 billion – much of that is for boondoggles like Amtrack and high speed rail

Every bit of it is JOBS

Republicans are against everything...including jobs

It's supposed to be an infrastructure bill, not a jobs bill, moron.

I'm against lies, fraud and boondoggles. That means I'm against everything Democrats are for.

Do you know the name of the Bill?

"The American Jobs Plan."

The American Jobs plan. That’s not labeled infrastructure now is it? A large chunk of it is def infrastructure. Not zero and not 5% but a large chunk. But it also is not labeled as an all infrastructure plan. So stop lying

I'll give you 15%, but a lot of that is useless pork.

That's how they're selling it, moron. Only a small piece of it is infrastructure. The rest of it is useless pork or welfare.

Just like your take on coal, we are NOT going backwards. Infrastructure is more than brick and mortar....stupid. You have a cell phone. The towers are infrastructure....use your brain. stop being a trump humper...

In the meanwhile, LibBots call the people who build this infrastructure uneducated.

What are you talking about?

Are you on drugs?
Trump was running on tradespeople getting jobs who were always being labeled by Libs as uneducated as replaced by trespassers.

That’s fake news. Plenty of blue collared tradespeople vote blue. You’re lying

That’s exactly why the LibBots were claiming that Trump was insulting them.
Plenty of them voted for Trump because they’ve been replaced by trespassers.

 

[Paulie]

Ugh i dont.
Whats the big differences between this covid bill and the ones trump signed? Besides biden putting more oversight on the loan process so billionaires arent getting bailed out by our great grandchildren?

Bro if the only thing that bothered you about trump was the spending then it’s all good bc the system is going to collapse it’s inevitable. They’re going to be implementing digital currencies and resetting the whole system. It’s going to happen whether trump spent a single dime or not.

 

[TNHarley]

Ugh i dont.
Whats the big differences between this covid bill and the ones trump signed? Besides biden putting more oversight on the loan process so billionaires arent getting bailed out by our great grandchildren?

Biden is providing more oversight? His "infrastructure" is nothing but a grab bag of every welfare program any Democrat ever wanted. There's no infrastructure in it.

You are certifiably brain-dead.

Its hilarious you call me brain dead but I wasnt even referring to the infrastructure package. In fact, I specifically mentioned the covid bill.
This may not apply for everyone, but i would assume one would reserve calling someone "brain dead" if they are fucking illiterate.

 

[bripat9643]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you "decreasing consumption."

It’s pretty simple. A city will consume XX amount of watts of electricity. As the city grows your grid will need to be upgraded to produce more watts (scenario 1 that I asked about which you confirmed is infrastructure spending) OR you can decrease consumption by making buildings more energy efficient and including alternate energy producing technologies like solar and wind etc. Either way, whether we are buying equipment to beef up the grid or investing to decrease consumption and produce energy from alternate sources. All is going towards the same thing which is all infrastructure

Nope.

Ha ha. Yes. That you can’t even make an argument and all you can say is nope shows how empty your gun is. First you said there was zero infrastructure and then said 5% now 15%? Your whole argument is a joke and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Try again another day.

Your attempt to portray insulating your house as "infrastructure" doesn't pass the laugh test. It's just another pathetic attempt to redefine whatever Dims want as "infrastructure.

Your splitting hairs and ignoring the thrust of the argument. Very little of the spending is for infrustructure. It's a swindle.

 

[Slade3200]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you "decreasing consumption."

It’s pretty simple. A city will consume XX amount of watts of electricity. As the city grows your grid will need to be upgraded to produce more watts (scenario 1 that I asked about which you confirmed is infrastructure spending) OR you can decrease consumption by making buildings more energy efficient and including alternate energy producing technologies like solar and wind etc. Either way, whether we are buying equipment to beef up the grid or investing to decrease consumption and produce energy from alternate sources. All is going towards the same thing which is all infrastructure

Nope.

Ha ha. Yes. That you can’t even make an argument and all you can say is nope shows how empty your gun is. First you said there was zero infrastructure and then said 5% now 15%? Your whole argument is a joke and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Try again another day.

Your attempt to portray insulating your house as "infrastructure" doesn't pass the laugh test. It's just another pathetic attempt to redefine whatever Dims want as "infrastructure.

Your splitting hairs and ignoring the thrust of the argument. Very little of the spending is for infrustructure. It's a swindle.

I literally just showed how it was. If you’re to dense to understand it that’s not my problem. If it counts as infrastructure to produce more energy to keep up with growth then it is also infrastructure to invest in increasing efficiency to reduce consumption. They both result in the same thing. Providing enough energy to meet the demand. Only difference is the first way consumes more and the other way consumes less. Why you wouldn’t support that makes zero sense except for the fact you’re a partisan hack

 

[The Original Tree]

By The Time the 666 Biden Administration is done with America, we will all be in Economic Chains of Slavery.

 

[Slade3200]

By The Time the 666 Biden Administration is done with America, we will all be in Economic Chains of Slavery.

Haha. Yeah I totally believe you

 

[bripat9643]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you "decreasing consumption."

It’s pretty simple. A city will consume XX amount of watts of electricity. As the city grows your grid will need to be upgraded to produce more watts (scenario 1 that I asked about which you confirmed is infrastructure spending) OR you can decrease consumption by making buildings more energy efficient and including alternate energy producing technologies like solar and wind etc. Either way, whether we are buying equipment to beef up the grid or investing to decrease consumption and produce energy from alternate sources. All is going towards the same thing which is all infrastructure

Nope.

Ha ha. Yes. That you can’t even make an argument and all you can say is nope shows how empty your gun is. First you said there was zero infrastructure and then said 5% now 15%? Your whole argument is a joke and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Try again another day.

Your attempt to portray insulating your house as "infrastructure" doesn't pass the laugh test. It's just another pathetic attempt to redefine whatever Dims want as "infrastructure.

Your splitting hairs and ignoring the thrust of the argument. Very little of the spending is for infrustructure. It's a swindle.

I literally just showed how it was. If you’re to dense to understand it that’s not my problem. If it counts as infrastructure to produce more energy to keep up with growth then it is also infrastructure to invest in increasing efficiency to reduce consumption. They both result in the same thing. Providing enough energy to meet the demand. Only difference is the first way consumes more and the other way consumes less. Why you wouldn’t support that makes zero sense except for the fact you’re a partisan hack

No, you showed how consumer spending can affect infrastructure costs. If everyone bought motorcyles instead of cars, the would reduce the need for roads and parking lots. Is that an infrastructure expenditure? Obviously not.

Quit trying to conflate consumer products and welfare spending with infrastructure. Only the gullible are fooled.

 

[bripat9643]

By The Time the 666 Biden Administration is done with America, we will all be in Economic Chains of Slavery.

Haha. Yeah I totally believe you

You should. His spending is going to flush the value of the dollar down the toilet, if it hasn't already.

 

[bripat9643]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you "decreasing consumption."

It’s pretty simple. A city will consume XX amount of watts of electricity. As the city grows your grid will need to be upgraded to produce more watts (scenario 1 that I asked about which you confirmed is infrastructure spending) OR you can decrease consumption by making buildings more energy efficient and including alternate energy producing technologies like solar and wind etc. Either way, whether we are buying equipment to beef up the grid or investing to decrease consumption and produce energy from alternate sources. All is going towards the same thing which is all infrastructure

Nope.

Ha ha. Yes. That you can’t even make an argument and all you can say is nope shows how empty your gun is. First you said there was zero infrastructure and then said 5% now 15%? Your whole argument is a joke and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Try again another day.

Your attempt to portray insulating your house as "infrastructure" doesn't pass the laugh test. It's just another pathetic attempt to redefine whatever Dims want as "infrastructure.

Your splitting hairs and ignoring the thrust of the argument. Very little of the spending is for infrustructure. It's a swindle.

I literally just showed how it was. If you’re to dense to understand it that’s not my problem. If it counts as infrastructure to produce more energy to keep up with growth then it is also infrastructure to invest in increasing efficiency to reduce consumption. They both result in the same thing. Providing enough energy to meet the demand. Only difference is the first way consumes more and the other way consumes less. Why you wouldn’t support that makes zero sense except for the fact you’re a partisan hack

I didn't say it counts, so your argument is moot. Your syllogism is false.

 

[Slade3200]

Houses Are Consumer Durables - LewRockwell

Over time, under a 100% gold standard, a house would gradually depreciate in value. A house, after all, is nothing more than a durable consumer good — it is a capital good if it is a rental property. However, when living under a fiat-currency regime, perceptions can be radically altered. For...

www.lewrockwell.com

do you consider an energy grid and power distribution as infrastructure?

Yes, but the so-called "smart grid" is a boondoggle intended to facilitate another boondoggle: green energy. Power companies have all the money they need to buy infrastructure that people are actually willing to pay for.

Slow down tonto, I’m trying to understand where you are coming from. So energy grid is infrastructure. let’s say $1B was spent to update equipment to a grid that increased production by 10%... would you consider that an infrastructure spend?

We all know the money will not be spent on that. If power companies could spend $1 billion and get a 10% increase on the power delivered to the customer, they would have done it already. You don't need government to spend money on things that customer will pay for voluntarily. It's only useless boondoggles that no one wants that require government funding.

Don’t dodge my question what I’m asking is very simple. If $$ is spent on equipment that increases a grids efficiency would that be considered an infrastructure spend by you?

Yes it would. Now show me where they plan to do that.

Ok so with that established. If that same $1B was spent on off grid measures that decrease consumption by 10% would you also consider that infrastructure spending?

That depends on what you "decreasing consumption."

It’s pretty simple. A city will consume XX amount of watts of electricity. As the city grows your grid will need to be upgraded to produce more watts (scenario 1 that I asked about which you confirmed is infrastructure spending) OR you can decrease consumption by making buildings more energy efficient and including alternate energy producing technologies like solar and wind etc. Either way, whether we are buying equipment to beef up the grid or investing to decrease consumption and produce energy from alternate sources. All is going towards the same thing which is all infrastructure

Nope.

Ha ha. Yes. That you can’t even make an argument and all you can say is nope shows how empty your gun is. First you said there was zero infrastructure and then said 5% now 15%? Your whole argument is a joke and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Try again another day.

Your attempt to portray insulating your house as "infrastructure" doesn't pass the laugh test. It's just another pathetic attempt to redefine whatever Dims want as "infrastructure.

Your splitting hairs and ignoring the thrust of the argument. Very little of the spending is for infrustructure. It's a swindle.

I literally just showed how it was. If you’re to dense to understand it that’s not my problem. If it counts as infrastructure to produce more energy to keep up with growth then it is also infrastructure to invest in increasing efficiency to reduce consumption. They both result in the same thing. Providing enough energy to meet the demand. Only difference is the first way consumes more and the other way consumes less. Why you wouldn’t support that makes zero sense except for the fact you’re a partisan hack

I didn't say it counts, so your argument is moot. Your syllogism is false.

You certainly did. 5 posts up in this thread

 

[The Original Tree]

By The Time the 666 Biden Administration is done with America, we will all be in Economic Chains of Slavery.

Haha. Yeah I totally believe you

Didn't you just get put in to an additional $6,000 of debt for a $1,400 stimulus check?

Where did the other $4,600 go?

In Joe and his buddies' pockets, to illegal aliens and planned parenthood.

That's just the tip of The Iceberg.

666 Joe and his minions have you right where they want you.

Stupid, Compliant and in Debt