How long will hardcore MAGAs stomach Trump's Forever War in the Middle East?

[Zavulon]

How do you see Iran "winning" this war? In what possible way does that take place?

Something like Northern Vietnam won their war. After suffering significant damage, and facing the possibility of even larger, unacceptable damage, America roll back, leaving Middle East and accepting Iranian peace terms.

One of the simpliest ways to do it - on the current NPT-conference, both Iran and Russia declare they are quitting NPT, and Russia sell Iran brand new nukes with delivery systems.
If America want to continue fight this war - at least dozen of American cities will be obliterated.

 

[HikerGuy83]

at least dozen of American cities will be obliterated.

It's doubtful there would be 1,000 persians left after we retaliate.

Be my guest.

The more I read your stuff, the more convinced I am that it is time to end this once and for all.

Iran cannot be allowed to exist.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Iran sure does not look like its breaking anytime soon.

I wonder if TACO has lost interest in this.

Cuba is what he wants.

Oh, Jackson...Jackson...Jackson...
Trump is playing 3-D Chess and you're losing at checkers! He gets Cuba by what he's done in Venezuela. Cuba isn't being supported by Russia or Venezuela now. It's regime is over. No subsidized oil from those two countries? No Cuba! It's like watching dominoes fall.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Something like Northern Vietnam won their war. After suffering significant damage, and facing the possibility of even larger, unacceptable damage, America roll back, leaving Middle East and accepting Iranian peace terms.
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One of the simpliest ways to do it - on the current NPT-conference, both Iran and Russia declare they are quitting NPT, and Russia sell Iran brand new nukes with delivery systems.
If America want to continue fight this war - at least dozen of American cities will be obliterated.

Why would Russia be insane enough to give the Mullahs nukes? If Iran were to start obliterating American cities with nukes given to them by Russia do you really think the response wouldn't be the obliteration of Russian cities along with Iranian ones? You're not the brightest bulb on the tree...are you?

 

[Zavulon]

China would lose more in an economic war with the US than it could hope to gain from discounted oil from Iran, so there is no possibility of Chian bailing the ayatollahs out and Russia has pretty much abandoned its former ME interests. Even the rhetoric from Russia and China is subdued. The only real friends the ayatollahs have are the US Democrats.

Iran is not just cheap oil. It's much more than that. It's also an important trading rout, both for Russia and China, and a good chance to take Taiwan without a single shoot for China.

And, by the way, who are real friends of American republicans? Bibi and his cultists? I don't think so. Friendship suppose to be mutual.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You're not the brightest bulb on the tree...are you?

He won't get that analogy.

Which answers your question.

 

[HikerGuy83]

It's also an important trading rout, both for Russia and China,

Which is why we should pave the whole thing.

Imagine the help to the environment when 90 million people stop wasting oxygen.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Which is why we should pave the whole thing.

Imagine the help to the environment when 90 million people stop wasting oxygen.

I have nothing against the average Iranian, Hiker! The Mullahs and the IRGC have been terrorizing THEM just as much as the rest of the world! What I want to see happen is regime change. A return of the Shah. Free elections. Moderate Iranians kicking out the hard liners and religious fanatics and joining the West. That's the ultimate answer to this problem.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Iran is not just cheap oil. It's much more than that. It's also an important trading rout, both for Russia and China, and a good chance to take Taiwan without a single shoot for China.

And, by the way, who are real friends of American republicans? Bibi and his cultists? I don't think so. Friendship suppose to be mutual.


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No, Iran has virtually no value to either Russia or China but cheap oil to China and cheap drones to Russia. That's why we hardly hear a peep out of either one of them on this war.

 

[Zavulon]

Why would Russia be insane enough to give the Mullahs nukes?

Because Iran is "very important" for Russia. Not "vitally important", of course, but still very important. And losing Iran to America might cause much more problems for Russia than few hundred nukes in the hands of ayatollahs.

If Iran were to start obliterating American cities with nukes given to them by Russia do you really think the response wouldn't be the obliteration of Russian cities along with Iranian ones?

So, you'd better f#ck off from Iran (as you did with North Korea) and don't start a game you can't finish. Nuclear war between Iran and the USA might cost you a dozen of cities. But nuclear war with Russia would mean virtually total annihilation of the USA.

You're not the brightest bulb on the tree...are you?

Depends on what "tree" do you mean. If you mean USMB - you are definitely lesser informed in the matter of nuclear detterence. If you mean Russia's or world's "expert community" - there are people both brighter and darker than me.

 

[Zavulon]

No, Iran has virtually no value to either Russia or China but cheap oil to China and cheap drones to Russia. That's why we hardly hear a peep out of either one of them on this war.

It is simply not true.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I have nothing against the average Iranian, Hiker! The Mullahs and the IRGC have been terrorizing THEM just as much as the rest of the world! What I want to see happen is regime change. A return of the Shah. Free elections. Moderate Iranians kicking out the hard liners and religious fanatics and joining the West. That's the ultimate answer to this problem.

If the regime nuked a city.......in the USA

The people would be culpable for not overthrowing the regime.

It would be time to clean the slate, let the radiation abate, and remove all mention of Iran from any history books.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Because Iran is "very important" for Russia.

Not at all.

Russia is playing Iran like the patsies they are.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Because Iran is "very important" for Russia. Not "vitally important", of course, but still very important. And losing Iran to America might cause much more problems for Russia than few hundred nukes in the hands of ayatollahs.


So, you'd better f#ck off from Iran (as you did with North Korea) and don't start a game you can't finish. Nuclear war between Iran and the USA might cost you a dozen of cities. But nuclear war with Russia would mean virtually total annihilation of the USA.


Depends on what "tree" do you mean. If you mean USMB - you are definitely lesser informed in the matter of nuclear detterence. If you mean Russia's or world's "expert community" - there are people both brighter and darker than me.

Because Iran is "very important" for Russia. Not "vitally important", of course, but still very important. And losing Iran to America might cause much more problems for Russia than few hundred nukes in the hands of ayatollahs.


So, you'd better f#ck off from Iran (as you did with North Korea) and don't start a game you can't finish. Nuclear war between Iran and the USA might cost you a dozen of cities. But nuclear war with Russia would mean virtually total annihilation of the USA.


Depends on what "tree" do you mean. If you mean USMB - you are definitely lesser informed in the matter of nuclear detterence. If you mean Russia's or world's "expert community" - there are people both brighter and darker than me.

Mutually assured destruction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Duh?

 

[Zavulon]

Not at all.

Russia is playing Iran like the patsies they are.

We'll see soon.

 

[HikerGuy83]

We'll see soon.

We've been seeing it for years.

The barbaric, oppressive, fanatic load of hores**** we call Iran isn't long for the world.

Time to start talking about taking it apart and sending all it's current leadership to the north pole.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It is simply not true.

Of course it's true.

 

[Zavulon]

We've been seeing it for years.

The barbaric, oppressive, fanatic load of hores**** we call Iran isn't long for the world.

As if USA and Israel are somehow better. Actually, one can say, they are much worse.

Time to start talking about taking it apart and sending all it's current leadership to the north pole.

Bla-bla-bla. You've started a game you can't finish. That's your problem. You just brought a knife to a shoota fight.

 

[HikerGuy83]

As if USA and Israel are somehow better. Actually, one can say, they are much worse.

You can say it all you want.

When your ass is in the frozen tundra, you can keep saying it.

Time to end IRAN.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Bla-bla-bla. You've started a game you can't finish. That's your problem. You just brought a knife to a shoota fight.

We are already finishing it.

Time to end IRAN