How long will hardcore MAGAs stomach Trump's Forever War in the Middle East?

[jacksonlamb]

It's doubtful there would be 1,000 persians left after we retaliate.

Be my guest.

The more I read your stuff, the more convinced I am that it is time to end this once and for all.

Iran cannot be allowed to exist.

Grow up. We are not "going to end civilization" in Iran and we will not put a major army on the ground there. A negotiated settlement is inevitable.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Non of your business. As if Americans don't kill Americans.

Those poor defenseless people

 

[Zavulon]

What part of whatever it takes don't you understand?

It doesn't seem as rational behaviour even in the American logic, as far as I can understand it. Something like going postal for no reason. If you really think that commiting mass murder-suicide is a good idea - visit a doctor.

 

[Zavulon]

Those poor defenseless people

Most of Americans killed by Americans, as far as I know, are children. And yes, most of them were defenseless.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Oh, Jackson...Jackson...Jackson...
Trump is playing 3-D Chess and you're losing at checkers! He gets Cuba by what he's done in Venezuela. Cuba isn't being supported by Russia or Venezuela now. It's regime is over. No subsidized oil from those two countries? No Cuba! It's like watching dominoes fall.

Neither Trump nor you can play chess or checker.

Here you go:

Iran imposes new rules for Strait of Hormuz in bid to secure wartime gains​

Story by Eleni Giokos, Tim Lister, CNN
www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-imposes-new-rules-for-strait-of-hormuz-in-bid-to-secure-wartime-gains/ar-AA22CfJM?ocid=msedgntp&pc=SCOODB&cvid=69fcd0f350ac4261b400a3e33c9cfd6b&ei=48

You need to stay aware.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Most of Americans killed by Americans, as far as I know, are children. And yes, most of them were defenseless.

Please point out where America slaughtered 37,000 children in two days like the Iranian barbarians slaughtered 37,000 protestors in two days in Jan.

 

[HikerGuy83]

If you really think that commiting mass murder-suicide is a good idea - visit a doctor.

Who said anything about mass murder.

That's what you guys do.

I am talking about erradicating a disease.

 

[HikerGuy83]

If the mullahs could kill 90 million Americans they would have already done so

The mullahs can't do squat.

And neither can the IRG.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Iran imposes new rules for Strait of Hormuz in bid to secure wartime gains​

On Wednesday, Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei’s account on the social media app Telegram posted a message laying out his vision for the Persian Gulf.

The leader called for a “new regional and global order under the strategy of a strong Iran” where there would be no place for foreigners “and their mischief.” He specifically pointed to “using the leverage of closing the strait” as one way to achieve that vision.

At the end of April, a statement attributed to Khamenei indicated Iran would create the mechanism to supervising traffic at the waterway.

Iran would implement “new legal frameworks and management of the Strait of Hormuz,” the statement said, which would benefit its neighbors and prove economically fruitful.

MSN

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[Mac-7]

Iran imposes new rules for Strait of Hormuz in bid to secure wartime gains​

On Wednesday, Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei’s account on the social media app Telegram posted a message laying out his vision for the Persian Gulf.

The leader called for a “new regional and global order under the strategy of a strong Iran” where there would be no place for foreigners “and their mischief.” He specifically pointed to “using the leverage of closing the strait” as one way to achieve that vision.

At the end of April, a statement attributed to Khamenei indicated Iran would create the mechanism to supervising traffic at the waterway.

Iran would implement “new legal frameworks and management of the Strait of Hormuz,” the statement said, which would benefit its neighbors and prove economically fruitful.

MSN

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We just need to stop talking to iran entirely

The blockade and sanctions speak for us just fine

 

[HikerGuy83]

BTW: Some dickweed indicated that Iran is building a pipeline to China through Pakistan.

Now that would be funny. China is going to expose itself like that.

And easily sabitoged pipeline that would be an environmental disaster if someone blew it up.

Yeah...I am sure they are doing it right now.

 

[Mac-7]

BTW: Some dickweed indicated that Iran is building a pipeline to China through Pakistan.

Now that would be funny. China is going to expose itself like that.

And easily sabitoged pipeline that would be an environmental disaster if someone blew it up.

Yeah...I am sure they are doing it right now.

We can bomb iran where the pipe and rail lines begin

But if this report is true its good news for us since it means tje mullahs are feeling the squeeze

 

[SaxonJackson]

"How long will hardcore MAGAs stomach Trump's Forever War in the Middle East?"​

Until Trump tells them it's time to drink the Kool-Ade -- which they will happily and dutifully do.

 

[Zavulon]

Mutually assured destruction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Duh?

"Mutually assured destruction" in its direct meaning, with the current amounts of nukes, given that in the "world war" would participate all countries, is hardly possible. Too many cities in the world, too few nukes. Most of the world won't be "destroyed".

So, more realistic is to speak about "unacceptable damage" in Russian-American war. But what damage is acceptable, and what damage is unacceptable, depends mostly on possible alternatives. If, say, United States face the imminent and realistic threat of "decolonisation" (meaning genocide of all Americans of European, African and Asian heritage) the death of half of Americans is lesser evil than the death of practically all Americans.

If we assume, that both sides act rationally and their motivation is self-preservation, then, of course, the first goal of any side will be nuclear forces of the enemy. "We want to defend our people, that's why, first of all, we attack your military (first of all, nuclear) forces". That's why there is
- Deterrence Type I (AKA "Providing Stability") or The Credible Capability of the Second Strike. We just saying (and building our system this way): "Even if you attack our nuclear forces, in the moment you choose and on the best for you terms, our survived nuclear forces will be sufficient enough to strike back and kill more your people you can accept, even if they are partly evacuated, partly shelptered".


But also, there is the Detterence Type II (AKA "Providing Multistability"), or "The Credible Capability of the First Strike". It's not just about capability to launch missiles first. It's about capability to attack enemy's nuclear forces and degrade then enough, to allow your ABD intercept significant part of them, and then, suffer quite limited and acceptable damage. Of course, the sides are not going to suffer even "acceptable damage" just for lulz.



And there is the Detterence Type III - capability to fight and win a Limited Regional Nuclear War (especially a proxy war) when both sides are sure about their Deterrence Type I, and try to avoid direct nuclear war, but ready to accept a limited defeat in some regional war.


So, talking practically, if Russia strike the USA first, strike smart and strike precise (after proper preparations, like partial evacuation and sheltering of their population) then US retaliation will be, highly likely, quite anemic and hardly will kill more than few millions of Russians. If the Russians attack only US nuclear forces, and avoid attacking American civilians, and then suggest mutually acceptable (but Russia preferred) terms, there is a good possibility that US leadership will accept it and take measures for damage control and won't retaliate at all.

 

[Zavulon]

Please point out where America slaughtered 37,000 children in two days like the Iranian barbarians slaughtered 37,000 protestors in two days in Jan.

Americans kill much more children annually.
And Iran don't do it annually.

 

[toomuchtime_]

We can bomb iran where the pipe and rail lines begin

But if this report is true its good news for us since it means tje mullahs are feeling the squeeze

The ayatollahs' regime will not last long enough to build a pipeline and whatever govrnment repllaces it will almost certainly prefer to sell its oil at full market price rather than at a discount to China.

 

[Zavulon]

Who said anything about mass murder.

That's what you guys do.

I am talking about erradicating a disease.

Erradicating a disease by killing your patients and nurses? Are you sure you are a doctor?

 

[Man With A Plan]

Neither Trump nor you can play chess or checker.

Here you go:

Iran imposes new rules for Strait of Hormuz in bid to secure wartime gains​

Story by Eleni Giokos, Tim Lister, CNN
www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-imposes-new-rules-for-strait-of-hormuz-in-bid-to-secure-wartime-gains/ar-AA22CfJM?ocid=msedgntp&pc=SCOODB&cvid=69fcd0f350ac4261b400a3e33c9cfd6b&ei=48

You need to stay aware.

Now THAT is some funny shit! Like anyone cares about the "rules" that Iran thinks they can impose! The US controls the seas. The US blockade is strangling the Iranian regime. The worse it gets for them the louder they bluster. That waterway is not Iranian territory. They have ZERO right to close it! It is an international waterway.

 

[HikerGuy83]

We just need to stop talking to iran entirely

The blockade and sanctions speak for us just fine

Actually, Nixon found that when he bombed the hell out of the north instead of pussyfooting around.....

They got serious about ending the war.

This isn't a war. It's a last chance for Iran to behave like human beings.

But they are not learning.....

 

[HikerGuy83]

"How long will hardcore MAGAs stomach Trump's Forever War in the Middle East?"​

Until Trump tells them it's time to drink the Kool-Ade -- which they will happily and dutifully do.

Did you ever answer when you stopped drinking it. I am going to go find your old posts where it was clear you had your head up his ass.