How long will hardcore MAGAs stomach Trump's Forever War in the Middle East?

[markef]

I don't know how you determine when a political party is "fully on board," but Iran did not launch "a nuclear attack on Israel," and has never had nuclear weapons.

During the 2008 Democratic primary, then‑Senator Hillary Clinton warned that the United States would use overwhelming force if Iran launched a nuclear attack on Israel, saying “if I’m the president, we will attack Iran” and that Iran could be “totally obliterate[d]” in response to such an attack ​

How is that supposed to relate to Trump allowing Iran to keep its nuclear materials stockpile?

Democrats criticize Trump no matter what he does. Hillary can threaten Iran with military devastation but when Trump actually devastated Iran Democrats call him wicked. Democrats condemn Trump for allowing Iran to keep their WMDs and then condemned him for bombing their WMD facilities.

 

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Democrats criticize Trump no matter what he does.

Hyper-partisan generalizations are of no interest. Could you cite specific instances?

Hillary can threaten Iran with military devastation but when Trump actually devastated Iran Democrats call him wicked. Democrats condemn Trump for allowing Iran to keep their WMDs and then condemned him for bombing their WMD facilities.

Who called Trump "wicked" for "devastating Iran"? Please document your source.

You appear to have appointed yourself spokesperson for the Democratic Party.

Several presidents and presidential candidates spoke similarly. As noted, Clinton had said that the United States would use overwhelming force if Iran launched a nuclear attack on Israel, saying “if I’m the president, we will attack Iran” and that Iran could be “totally obliterate[d]” in response to such an attack.

Iran has not launched a nuclear attack on Israel or any other nation. It does not have a nuclear weapon.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Not now, anyway.

 

[markef]

Hyper-partisan generalizations are of no interest. Could you cite specific instances?


Who called Trump "wicked" for "devastating Iran"? Please document your source.

You appear to have appointed yourself spokesperson for the Democratic Party.

Several presidents and presidential candidates spoke similarly. As noted, Clinton had said that the United States would use overwhelming force if Iran launched a nuclear attack on Israel, saying “if I’m the president, we will attack Iran” and that Iran could be “totally obliterate[d]” in response to such an attack.

Iran has not launched a nuclear attack on Israel or any other nation. It does not have a nuclear weapon.

I ask again, why did Democrats say they would move against Iran only after Iran dropped a nuclear bomb on Israel, effectively murdering the whole nation?

 

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I ask again, why did Democrats say they would move against Iran only after Iran dropped a nuclear bomb on Israel, effectively murdering the whole nation?

I provided you with Clinton's actual words in 2008. I'm not interested in the words of a candidate 18 years ago.

This is 2026, and Trump's Pearl Harbor attack on Iran makes it relevant.

39.3% approve of Trump's military action against Iran, and 55,9% disapprove.

Approval of Military Action Against Iran | RealClearPolling

Approval of Military Action Against Iran | RealClearPolling

www.realclearpolling.com

 

[markef]

I provided you with Clinton's actual words in 2008. I'm not interested in the words of a candidate 18 years ago.

This is 2026, and Trump's Pearl Harbor attack on Iran makes it relevant.

39.3% approve of Trump's military action against Iran, and 55,9% disapprove.

Approval of Military Action Against Iran | RealClearPolling

Approval of Military Action Against Iran | RealClearPolling

www.realclearpolling.com

Do you believe Trump should have waited to bomb Iran until after Iran had dropped a US democrat-funded nuclear bomb on Israel?

 

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Do you believe Trump should have waited to bomb Iran until after Iran had dropped a US democrat-funded nuclear bomb on Israel?

Your hyper-partisan derangement does not reflect reality.

Iran has no nuclear bombs to drop on ayone.

 

[markef]

Your hyper-partisan derangement does not reflect reality.

Iran has no nuclear bombs to drop on ayone.

Not only does Iran have no nuclear bombs Trump has set them back decades in their effort to develop nuclear weapons.

 

[schmidlap]

Not only does Iran have no nuclear bombs Trump has set them back decades in their effort to develop nuclear weapons.

Your article of faith is taken for what its worth, unless you can provide credible documentation.

In fact, Iran maintains a substantial inventory of enriched uranium in various concentrations. As of early 2026, estimates indicate approximately 440.9 kilograms of uranium hexafluoride (UF6) enriched to 60% U-235 and 184.1 kilograms enriched to 20% U-235, alongside several tons of lower-enriched uranium at 2–5% U-235.

Also,

Iran reportedly retains over 70% of prewar mobile launcher and missiles​

Tehran also retains 75 per cent of its prewar inventories of mobile launchers and around 70 per cent of its prewar stockpiles of missiles, a US official said. The intelligence runs contrary to Trump’s statements about the country’s rapidly diminishing weapons cache.​

Ability to withstand blockade could help Iran hold out for months, CIA concludes​

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[markef]

Your article of faith is taken for what its worth, unless you can provide credible documentation.

In fact, Iran maintains a substantial inventory of enriched uranium in various concentrations. As of early 2026, estimates indicate approximately 440.9 kilograms of uranium hexafluoride (UF6) enriched to 60% U-235 and 184.1 kilograms enriched to 20% U-235, alongside several tons of lower-enriched uranium at 2–5% U-235.

Also,

Iran reportedly retains over 70% of prewar mobile launcher and missiles​

Tehran also retains 75 per cent of its prewar inventories of mobile launchers and around 70 per cent of its prewar stockpiles of missiles, a US official said. The intelligence runs contrary to Trump’s statements about the country’s rapidly diminishing weapons cache.​

Ability to withstand blockade could help Iran hold out for months, CIA concludes​

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Iran has good reasons to abandon any future plans of raining death on America with nuclear bombs.

 

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Iran has good reasons to abandon any future plans of raining death on America with nuclear bombs.

Since Iran has no nuclear bombs, and has expressed no "future plans of raining death on America with nuclear bombs," why should it?

Stop frightening yourself. Trump became hysterical and threatened, “A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again!" but the intended genocide was just another of his tantrums.

 

[markef]

Since Iran has no nuclear bombs, and has expressed no "future plans of raining death on America with nuclear bombs," why should it?

Stop frightening yourself. Trump became hysterical and threatened, “A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again!" but the intended genocide was just another of his tantrums.

Maybe Iran will eventually abandon its stupid hateful Death to America narratives.

 

[schmidlap]

Maybe Iran will eventually abandon its stupid hateful Death to America narratives.

Bombastic rhetoric abounds, whilst "Speak softly, and carry a big stick," exudes confidence.