Go Ahead, Remove Roe V. Wade

[Coyote]

Wow, you really are stupid. And running scared.

There are 50 States. 20 of them are died in the wool, baby killers from before Roe v Wade.

It cannot be made illegal across the whole country for the same reason it is unConstitutional to make it legal across the whole of the country.

Oh? Rights are not left up to states. Start building a case towards fetal rights (which can only occur by reducing a woman’s rights)…

It is NOT the mandated power of the Feds to control it, regardless.

It is not a mandated power for anyone but the woman.

Drop the 'established' laws nonsense. You didn' have a problem with Brown being overturned and that was "Established" law. Quite a number of 'established' laws have been overturned over the last 200 years.

So you would have no problem with Heller being overturned?

Roe is a bad ruling and it is well past time to undo that.

The only bad rulings are those that take control of one’s own body and give it to another.

You're fearmongering is noted, but in 100 years, assuming this country survives the woke fucks, abortion in certain states will still exist and in others, it will be banned.

And there are women, in those states (which also tend to have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, maternal mortality, poverty) who will suffer because we already know your concern ends at birth.

 

[Coyote]

She will have a choice to give the baby up.

Unwanted risks are taken every day in this nation, but literally 200 million people.

We don't kill babies on the off chance that an 'unwanted risk' may or may not harm you. In fact, moral people do not kill babies.

The memories and crime of rape do not magically go away because an innocent baby is killed.

Wow. That is a great choice. She was raped, forced to gestate the resulting pregnancy, and all you go on about is, the memories will never go away anyway so force her to carry and birth the kid. Nice double whammy you give her.

 

[Darkwind]

Oh? Rights are not left up to states. Start building a case towards fetal rights (which can only occur by reducing a woman’s rights)…



It is not a mandated power for anyone but the woman.



So you would have no problem with Heller being overturned?





The only bad rulings are those that take control of one’s own body and give it to another.


And there are women, in those states (which also tend to have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, maternal mortality, poverty) who will suffer because we already know your concern ends at birth.

Incorrect. You people are more than happy with governments, both State and Feds, mandating peoples bodies. You have been for the past two years. The thing with vaccine mandates, someone may or may not die if they are unvaxxed. An aborttion ALWAYS, FUCKING ALWAYS, ends in a death. The death of a baby.

If Heller gets overturned at a later court, that is the nature of law. I'm sure you would be static and suddenly be all for the Courts overturning 'established' law.

The only real bad rulings are the ones that favor one group over another. When you are faced with a 'very low risk of death' as compared to a 100% guarantee of death, the government is obligated to cause the least amount of harm with conflicting rights. Besides, it isnt' a ruling on what a woman can do with her body when we are talking about the certain death of another human, and a baby at that.

Then those women should probably move to a state that allows them to kill babies.

 

[Darkwind]

Wow. That is a great choice. She was raped, forced to gestate the resulting pregnancy, and all you go on about is, the memories will never go away anyway so force her to carry and birth the kid. Nice double whammy you give her.

it's YOUR argument that the woman should not have to endure a pregnancy because it will constantly remind her of the rape. A more fucked up and stupid argument cannot be made.

A woman who is raped will never forget it and no dead baby is going to magically make that go away.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The 14th amendment doesn’t deal with this issue

There is no part of the constitution that deals with this issue. The Supreme Court called it a penumbral issue that flows from the right to privacy but is not part of the right to privacy.

Even RBG had a problem with this. Because abortion does not prese

Wow. That is a great choice. She was raped, forced to gestate the resulting pregnancy, and all you go on about is, the memories will never go away anyway so force her to carry and birth the kid. Nice double whammy you give her.

Gee that's what happened to Amanda Berry and Jaycee Dugard. In Dugard's case she was repeatedly raped and forced to gestate three children. Yet these women still don't want their children killed.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

it's YOUR argument that the woman should not have to endure a pregnancy because it will constantly remind her of the rape. A more fucked up and stupid argument cannot be made.

A woman who is raped will never forget it and no dead baby is going to magically make that go away.

She can at least feel some triumph. She killed his kid.

 

[Darkwind]

She can at least feel some triumph. She killed his kid.

Revenge, hell any justification, for killing a baby is morally reprehensible.

 

[Coyote]

Incorrect. You people are more than happy with governments, both State and Feds, mandating peoples bodies. You have been for the past two years. The thing with vaccine mandates, someone may or may not die if they are unvaxxed. An aborttion ALWAYS, FUCKING ALWAYS, ends in a death. The death of a baby.

You are a bit off with that one. I don’t support a federal vaccine mandate across the board. I do support employers mandating it, hospitals mandating it and similar. It is an infectious disease and there is public health to consider. That is not the case with abortion.

If Heller gets overturned at a later court, that is the nature of law. I'm sure you would be static and suddenly be all for the Courts overturning 'established' law.

The only real bad rulings are the ones that favor one group over another. When you are faced with a 'very low risk of death' as compared to a 100% guarantee of death, the government is obligated to cause the least amount of harm with conflicting rights. Besides, it isnt' a ruling on what a woman can do with her body when we are talking about the certain death of another human, and a baby at that.

I don’t agree. The reason is who’s rights matter more and at what point in time? Does a fertilized egg, within another’s body have equal rights to that body?

Why is it we do not recognize it as a citizen, claim it as a dependent, give it an ss number, etc. until birth? Because birth marks the point at which we recognize it as and independent autonomous human being fully deserving of equal rights.

Prior to that it’s rights compete with the woman’s primary right to her own body, and imo, until viability HER rights are primary.

I do respect your position because at least it’s consistent in that a baby has no say in the rape either, but as the one who would have to bear the rights to my own body taken from me by force first by the rapist and then by the law, I could never agree.

Then those women should probably move to a state that allows them to kill babies.

 

[Coyote]

it's YOUR argument that the woman should not have to endure a pregnancy because it will constantly remind her of the rape. A more fucked up and stupid argument cannot be made.

A woman who is raped will never forget it and no dead baby is going to magically make that go away.

You keep saying that as if someone is making the argument that the memories go away. No one (but you) is saying that.

What you are telling her is tough shit girl, and compounding the trauma by forcing her to carry a pregnancy she did consent to, did not want, and might not be capable of handling.

 

[Ringtone]

What percentage of Americans were appalled by it? The 'most' that are perpetually appalled? Kinda like magaturds?

Actually, they were sensible, decent human beings who understood that human life is precious, that the sanctity of human life is the foundation of civility, indeed, of liberty itself, unlike too many mindless degenerates today.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Actually, they were sensible, decent human beings who understood that human life is precious, that the sanctity of human life is the foundation of civility, indeed, of liberty itself, unlike too many mindless degenerates today.

Fuck your feelz. You only speak for yourself.

 

[tahuyaman]

There is no part of the constitution that deals with this issue….

You are correct.

 

[eagle1462010]

Unfortunately, anti abortion laws, like the one in Texas, rob women of their voice.

Unfortunately abortion robs babies of their life.

 

[eagle1462010]

What is the public health argument against abortion?

Death of the baby. Use protection or get fixed. Personal accountability. And it's not like you don't have a choice. 15 weeks is more than enough time to say I want the baby or not. That is NOT AN INJUSTICE. That is almost 4 months to decide.

 

[eagle1462010]

A decision to have sex is not a decision to have children.

Not using protection is A DECISION. Spreading your legs is a decision. 50 million abortions since Roe v Wade.

 

[eagle1462010]

Wow. That is a great choice. She was raped, forced to gestate the resulting pregnancy, and all you go on about is, the memories will never go away anyway so force her to carry and birth the kid. Nice double whammy you give her.

And what is stopping her from getting a abortion. 15 weeks is sufficient time. And abortion will still be allowed if the mothers health is in danger.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You keep saying that as if someone is making the argument that the memories go away. No one (but you) is saying that.

What you are telling her is tough shit girl, and compounding the trauma by forcing her to carry a pregnancy she did consent to, did not want, and might not be capable of handling.

It doesn't make much sense to write a law securing a rape victim's right to abortion when pregnant rape victims are such a small percentage of pregnancies. Not every rape results in a pregnancy. Whereas every abortion ends a life. That a pregnancy is traumatic is unpersuasive. Many events in life are traumatic. Most of the time the victims are told to suck it up and grow up. Adopt the child out.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

A decision to have sex is not a decision to have children.

It is for men. Judges have held it so for many years. A man cannot escape his financial responsibilities by saying he's not prepared to be a father. Case law says tough shit. You pay.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Doesn’t mean they can’t be drafted. Right, Wry Catcher?

No. The next time we think we need a draft, most of the US will already be radioactive.

 

[Zincwarrior]

It is for men. Judges have held it so for many years. A man cannot escape his financial responsibilities by saying he's not prepared to be a father. Case law says tough shit. You pay.

Sure he can. They just bail.