S.C. should keep its nose out of the birthright citizenship case, which is a political matter

YView attachment 1246087ou remind me of the "peaceniks" and "pacifists" of the 1960's.

Our founders knew how to deal with tyrants.
We begin our liberation this fall as we follow, "“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

We get rid of his toadies doing his bidding.

And we end the threat to all of our citizens.
 
Your reading comprehension skills are wanting.
You are not a friend of the American people or our civil liberties.

I spent time in the armed forces defending those liberties, and I have and will continue to protect them from the likes of you.
 
Considering a preponderance of historical evidence from the debates of the 39th Congress indicates the 14th Amendment was never intended to grant U.S. citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national, born on American soil, I’m having great difficulty imagining, under what legal reasoning can our Supreme Court members grant the priceless privilege of U.S. citizenship to the mentioned offspring?

For our Supreme Court to create this new priviledged category of legally recognized citizenship, would be doing so without the people’s consent, or the approval of the people’s elected representatives. In fact, doing so would make a mockery of and nullify why our founders provided Article 5, in our Constitution (its amendment process) by which a willing and affirmative consent of the people is require to be obtained for such a significant recognition to be added to our Constitution.

Seems to me, by the explicit terms of our Constitution, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are granted exclusive power “To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization” (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4), and with reference to the 14th Amendment’s, Section 5, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are delegated the “power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of” the 14th Amendment. Not our Supreme Court.

Considering the above stated facts, our Supreme Court, in accordance with their oath of office to support and defend our Constitution and its “Republican Form of Government”, should they not apply the reasoned approach found in Luther v. Borden, and acknowledge that a power to decide what turns out to be a political question, is not within the judiciaries delegated authority, and must be decide by the people’s elected representatives . . . their Legislature and President?

If our S.C. members do not follow Luther v. Borden, and decides to omnipotently create a new category of U.S. citizenship __ a hallowed and most precious privilege ___ would that not meet the very definition of tyranny as expressed by Madison?

”The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands [our Supreme Court] . . . may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” ___ Madison, Federalist Paper No. 47

Finally, our system provides elections in order for the people to adopt new public policy, which they did by electing Trump as their President. Are we to forget, the good people of the United States lived under the Biden Administration’s open-border policy for four years. If a majority on our Supreme Court decides to create a new category of citizenship for the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on American soil, they will have also nullified the very reason for which our Founders provided elections, and they will be undoing what a majority of voters voted for when electing Trump as their new President.
Well, the Supreme Court is POLITICAL.

They're an equal part of the US government.

I think the issue is that the SC needs to be changed. Changed in how the justices are appointed. I think there needs to be bi-partisan support for justices, (it'd be better if there were more parties).

In Switzerland to be a part of the executive, you need this bi-partisan support. And it works so much better.
 
The Supreme Court wouldn’t be “creating” anything, they’d be applying the plain text of the 14th Amendment: “All persons born… in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.”

That was already settled in United States v. Wong Kim Ark—over a century ago.


In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, the court found that a child (Wong Kim Ark) born to parents while on American soil; who were legally in the United States under the Burlingame Treaty of 1868, were legally domiciled residents in the United States at the time of Wong's birth in 1873; had been settled in the U.S. for quite some time; and were carrying on a lawful business; and were not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China at the time of Wong Kim Ark’s birth, was a citizen of the United States.

If a majority on our Supreme Court decides that the offspring of and illegal entrant foreign national, born on American soil, is a citizen of the United States upon birth, it would certainly be creating a new category of United States citizenship, and be doing so without the consent of the people, or the approval of the people’s elected representatives. In fact, doing so would make a mockery of and nullify why our founders provided Article 5, in our Constitution (its amendment process) by which a willing and affirmative consent of the people is require to be obtained for such a significant recognition to be added to our Constitution.

Seems to me, by the explicit terms of our Constitution, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are granted exclusive power “To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization” (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4), and with reference to the 14th Amendment’s, Section 5, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are delegated the “power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of” the 14th Amendment. Not our Supreme Court.

Considering the above stated facts, our Supreme Court, in accordance with their oath of office to support and defend our Constitution and its “Republican Form of Government”, should they not apply the reasoned approach found in Luther v. Borden, and acknowledge that a power to decide what turns out to be a political question, is not within the judiciaries delegated authority, and must be decided by the people’s elected representatives . . . their Legislature and President?

If our S.C. members do not follow Luther v. Borden, and decides to omnipotently create a new category of U.S. citizenship __ a hallowed and most precious privilege ___ would that not meet the very definition of tyranny as expressed by Madison?

”The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands [our Supreme Court] . . . may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” ___ Madison, Federalist Paper No. 47

Finally, our system provides elections in order for the people to adopt new public policy, which they did by electing Trump as their President. Are we to forget, the good people of the United States lived under the Biden Administration’s open-border policy for four years?

If a majority on our Supreme Court decides to create a new category of citizenship for the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on American soil, they will have also nullified the very reason for which our Founders provided elections, and they will be undoing what a majority of voters voted for when electing Trump as their new President.

Why do you have such animus toward adhering to our system's foundational rules and principles?
 
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I have no major problem with the current surpreme court, other than taking progressives stance at times, allow some of Trump's EOs to stand, when the constitution never envisioned a strong centralized government with little oversight of the other two equal branches. But, some of that is changing with the ruling, that presidential pardon is not unlimited, and court ruling for civil contempt being above presidential pardon.
 
johnwk, you look shrill and sound verbose.

The Court is going to rule against you. So be it.
 
I have no major problem with the current surpreme court,
How about specific members and their written opinions which are not in harmony with the text of our Constitution, and its documented legislative intent, which gives context to its text?
 
Is it OK to call you a MOD troll?
Not sure what you are talking about. Does this mean you do not support the Supreme Court or Constitution also? Are you MAGA? Or like the majority, that think the country has been greats since long before any of us, on here, were born?
 
Today's Democrats and neocons never did understand our constitution, our freedom or our government. They're not leadership material. Hell they're not even good observers because they can't accept what this country is all about, freedom and equality.

They have to ignore original intent in order to peddle wierd partisan ideologies instead of practical legal precidents, i.e. turning Supreme Court ruling into expressions of current fads.
 
They have to ignore original intent in order to peddle wierd partisan ideologies instead of practical legal practices.
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Why have a written constitution approved by the people if those who it is meant to control and regulate are free to make it mean whatever they want it to mean?
 
Already answered. Your interpretation has no evidence of being in harmony with SCOTUS.
How about specific members and their written opinions which are not in harmony with the text of our Constitution, and its documented legislative intent, which gives context to its text?
 
I guess you will have to wait for the ruling, but from the questions asked, I doubt you will like how they rule, as they will rule on what it says, not what you might like it to be.
Will you?
 
Will you?
I can easily wait, and from all the analysis and listening to the actual questions, how they were asked and reaction to the answers, I will probably like the outcome or at least be able to live with it, if wrong, without a bunch of whining.
 
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Already answered. Your interpretation has no evidence of being in harmony with SCOTUS.
My interpretation?

In IN RE SLAUGHTER-HOUSE CASES, 83 U.S. 36 (1872) the Court states the following regarding the 14th Amendment:

“That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, subject to its jurisdiction' was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States“.

And in Elk v. Wilkins (1884) the Court affirms the Court’s opinion in the Slaughter-House cases:

”Now, I take it that the children of aliens, whose parents have not only not renounced their allegiance to their native country . . . must necessarily remain themselves subject to the same sovereignty as their parents, and cannot, in the nature of things, be, any more than their parents, completely subject to the jurisdiction of such other country”

'”This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only,-birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof .' The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance”
 
Your interpretation of someone's interpretation, johnwk, is not in line with SCOTUS.
 
Your interpretation of someone's interpretation, johnwk, is not in line with SCOTUS.
I interpreted nothing. I posted, verbatim from the S.C. rulings. Stop making stuff up.
 

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