S.C. should keep its nose out of the birthright citizenship case, which is a political matter

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Considering a preponderance of historical evidence from the debates of the 39th Congress indicates the 14th Amendment was never intended to grant U.S. citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national, born on American soil, I’m having great difficulty imagining, under what legal reasoning can our Supreme Court members grant the priceless privilege of U.S. citizenship to the mentioned offspring?

For our Supreme Court to create this new priviledged category of legally recognized citizenship, would be doing so without the people’s consent, or the approval of the people’s elected representatives. In fact, doing so would make a mockery of and nullify why our founders provided Article 5, in our Constitution (its amendment process) by which a willing and affirmative consent of the people is require to be obtained for such a significant recognition to be added to our Constitution.

Seems to me, by the explicit terms of our Constitution, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are granted exclusive power “To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization” (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4), and with reference to the 14th Amendment’s, Section 5, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are delegated the “power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of” the 14th Amendment. Not our Supreme Court.

Considering the above stated facts, our Supreme Court, in accordance with their oath of office to support and defend our Constitution and its “Republican Form of Government”, should they not apply the reasoned approach found in Luther v. Borden, and acknowledge that a power to decide what turns out to be a political question, is not within the judiciaries delegated authority, and must be decide by the people’s elected representatives . . . their Legislature and President?

If our S.C. members do not follow Luther v. Borden, and decides to omnipotently create a new category of U.S. citizenship __ a hallowed and most precious privilege ___ would that not meet the very definition of tyranny as expressed by Madison?

”The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands [our Supreme Court] . . . may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” ___ Madison, Federalist Paper No. 47

Finally, our system provides elections in order for the people to adopt new public policy, which they did by electing Trump as their President. Are we to forget, the good people of the United States lived under the Biden Administration’s open-border policy for four years. If a majority on our Supreme Court decides to create a new category of citizenship for the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on American soil, they will have also nullified the very reason for which our Founders provided elections, and they will be undoing what a majority of voters voted for when electing Trump as their new President.
 
Considering a preponderance of historical evidence from the debates of the 39th Congress indicates the 14th Amendment was never intended to grant U.S. citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national, born on American soil, I’m having great difficulty imagining, under what legal reasoning can our Supreme Court members grant the priceless privilege of U.S. citizenship to the mentioned offspring?

For our Supreme Court to create this new priviledged category of legally recognized citizenship, would be doing so without the people’s consent, or the approval of the people’s elected representatives. In fact, doing so would make a mockery of and nullify why our founders provided Article 5, in our Constitution (its amendment process) by which a willing and affirmative consent of the people is require to be obtained for such a significant recognition to be added to our Constitution.

Seems to me, by the explicit terms of our Constitution, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are granted exclusive power “To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization” (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4), and with reference to the 14th Amendment’s, Section 5, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are delegated the “power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of” the 14th Amendment. Not our Supreme Court.

Considering the above stated facts, our Supreme Court, in accordance with their oath of office to support and defend our Constitution and its “Republican Form of Government”, should they not apply the reasoned approach found in Luther v. Borden, and acknowledge that a power to decide what turns out to be a political question, is not within the judiciaries delegated authority, and must be decide by the people’s elected representatives . . . their Legislature and President?

If our S.C. members do not follow Luther v. Borden, and decides to omnipotently create a new category of U.S. citizenship __ a hallowed and most precious privilege ___ would that not meet the very definition of tyranny as expressed by Madison?

”The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands [our Supreme Court] . . . may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” ___ Madison, Federalist Paper No. 47

Finally, our system provides elections in order for the people to adopt new public policy, which they did by electing Trump as their President. Are we to forget, the good people of the United States lived under the Biden Administration’s open-border policy for four years. If a majority on our Supreme Court decides to create a new category of citizenship for the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on American soil, they will have also nullified the very reason for which our Founders provided elections, and they will be undoing what a majority of voters voted for when electing Trump as their new President.

Keep in mind that it was the states who were to decide who got to vote in their elections, not the FEds, and according to some scholars, states can allow non-citizens to vote in local elections, and not only that if they allow them to vote for state legislative offices then they are allowed to vote for the Federal offices, as well. IF the SC upholds that, then it will require a Constitutional Amendment to change that. The SAVE Act wasn't nearly strong enough.


 
Considering a preponderance of historical evidence from the debates of the 39th Congress indicates the 14th Amendment was never intended to grant U.S. citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national, born on American soil, I’m having great difficulty imagining, under what legal reasoning can our Supreme Court members grant the priceless privilege of U.S. citizenship to the mentioned offspring?

For our Supreme Court to create this new priviledged category of legally recognized citizenship, would be doing so without the people’s consent, or the approval of the people’s elected representatives. In fact, doing so would make a mockery of and nullify why our founders provided Article 5, in our Constitution (its amendment process) by which a willing and affirmative consent of the people is require to be obtained for such a significant recognition to be added to our Constitution.

Seems to me, by the explicit terms of our Constitution, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are granted exclusive power “To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization” (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4), and with reference to the 14th Amendment’s, Section 5, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are delegated the “power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of” the 14th Amendment. Not our Supreme Court.

Considering the above stated facts, our Supreme Court, in accordance with their oath of office to support and defend our Constitution and its “Republican Form of Government”, should they not apply the reasoned approach found in Luther v. Borden, and acknowledge that a power to decide what turns out to be a political question, is not within the judiciaries delegated authority, and must be decide by the people’s elected representatives . . . their Legislature and President?

If our S.C. members do not follow Luther v. Borden, and decides to omnipotently create a new category of U.S. citizenship __ a hallowed and most precious privilege ___ would that not meet the very definition of tyranny as expressed by Madison?

”The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands [our Supreme Court] . . . may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” ___ Madison, Federalist Paper No. 47

Finally, our system provides elections in order for the people to adopt new public policy, which they did by electing Trump as their President. Are we to forget, the good people of the United States lived under the Biden Administration’s open-border policy for four years. If a majority on our Supreme Court decides to create a new category of citizenship for the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on American soil, they will have also nullified the very reason for which our Founders provided elections, and they will be undoing what a majority of voters voted for when electing Trump as their new President.
Not a political matter. A legal and reading is fundamental matter.
Unless, you are basically against the Constitution or some sort of MAGA troll.
 
Considering a preponderance of historical evidence from the debates of the 39th Congress clearly and undoubtedly indicates the 14th Amendment was always intended to grant U.S. citizenship to the offspring of all foreign nationals except children of foreign diplomats, born on American soil, AND strongly suspecting that SCOTUS will vote 8-1 or 7-2 to support such citizenship, I believe the writer of this thread's OP is going to be magnificently unhappy when that vote happens.
 
If common sense and concern for ones country were the main concerns in this decision, the SC would shut down birthright citizenship immediately and completely.
Common sense and historical evidence easily rebuts your much likely to be rejected hope with loud laughter and a paper with "nope" sent over to the WH.
 
Common sense and historical evidence easily rebuts your much likely to be rejected hope with loud laughter and a paper with "nope" sent over to the WH.
Today's Democrats and neocons never did understand our constitution, our freedom or our government. They're not leadership material. Hell they're not even good observers because they can't accept what this country is all about, freedom and equality.
 
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Considering a preponderance of historical evidence from the debates of the 39th Congress indicates the 14th Amendment was never intended to grant U.S. citizenship to the offspring of an illegal entrant foreign national, born on American soil, I’m having great difficulty imagining, under what legal reasoning can our Supreme Court members grant the priceless privilege of U.S. citizenship to the mentioned offspring?

For our Supreme Court to create this new priviledged category of legally recognized citizenship, would be doing so without the people’s consent, or the approval of the people’s elected representatives. In fact, doing so would make a mockery of and nullify why our founders provided Article 5, in our Constitution (its amendment process) by which a willing and affirmative consent of the people is require to be obtained for such a significant recognition to be added to our Constitution.

Seems to me, by the explicit terms of our Constitution, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are granted exclusive power “To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization” (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4), and with reference to the 14th Amendment’s, Section 5, Congress, the people’s elected representatives, are delegated the “power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of” the 14th Amendment. Not our Supreme Court.

Considering the above stated facts, our Supreme Court, in accordance with their oath of office to support and defend our Constitution and its “Republican Form of Government”, should they not apply the reasoned approach found in Luther v. Borden, and acknowledge that a power to decide what turns out to be a political question, is not within the judiciaries delegated authority, and must be decide by the people’s elected representatives . . . their Legislature and President?

If our S.C. members do not follow Luther v. Borden, and decides to omnipotently create a new category of U.S. citizenship __ a hallowed and most precious privilege ___ would that not meet the very definition of tyranny as expressed by Madison?

”The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands [our Supreme Court] . . . may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” ___ Madison, Federalist Paper No. 47

Finally, our system provides elections in order for the people to adopt new public policy, which they did by electing Trump as their President. Are we to forget, the good people of the United States lived under the Biden Administration’s open-border policy for four years. If a majority on our Supreme Court decides to create a new category of citizenship for the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on American soil, they will have also nullified the very reason for which our Founders provided elections, and they will be undoing what a majority of voters voted for when electing Trump as their new President.
Are you nuts?
 
Today's Democrats and neocons never did understand our constitution, our freedom or our government. They're not leadership material. Hell they're not even good observers because they can't accept what this country is all about, freedom and equality.
That is classical gaslighting. Blaming your betters for what you, in fact, are doing.
 
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Perhaps he is nuts.

Perhaps we all are.

We all got to the same place at the same time.
 
Hell they're not even good observers because they can't accept what this country is all about, freedom and equality.
I wonder why so many countries that hardly ever mention freedom are ranked as more free than the US.

 

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