Francis Keys bridge hit by ship. Bridge collapses, mass casualty event.

When was the last time this happened?

And it's happened more than once in this country. Building new ports for new transportation realities isn't a bad thing, just the opposite, and easily doable; they're doing it all over the world. Baltimore's location isn't important any more, for anything, plus it's a shithole.
 
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The Key bridge took 5 years to build. It's 4 lanes (2 on both sides) and bounces like a trampoline when you're near the center top.

All the locals, me included, can't even think about a new one yet. All we want right now is for the bodies of the construction crew and anyone else in a vehicle when it was hit to be recovered.
Most people are with you on that.
It’s the distinction in the level of sympathy between this event and a typical weekend in the city where more than double the amount of people are killed that is curious.
 
And it's happened more than once in this country. Building new ports for new transportation realities isn't a bad thing, just the opposite, and easily doable; they're doing al over the world. Baltimore's location isn't important any more, for anything, plus it's a shithole.

Baltimores location is still ideal because of its proximity to DC, Philadelphia and NYC. It is also a major transportation hub for rail and major highways.
 
it's high because it had to be, and unless they go with a tunnel, the replacement will be even higher probably.

They might want to consider replacing it with a tunnel complex.

In Tidewater Virginia, we have the HRBT (Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel) which has been two tubes, 2 each way. They are currently adding another bridge/tube and reworking the approach roads. I'm assuming that 1 of the 3 will be easily swappable to change direction based on commuter traffic direction which is mostly south in the morning and north in the afternoon.

If they do than ships going under a bridge isn't a problem anymore.

WW
 
Baltimores location is still ideal because of its proximity to DC, Philadelphia and NYC. It is also a major transportation hub for rail and major highways.

All which are better off moved elsewhere. Just because it was convenient 250 years ago doesn't mean it's great now. It's overbuilt and over-crowded now, has been for a long time.
 
Pft....

Easy to change. Much cheaper than replacing the bridge.

WW

Just looking at a map of Baltimore it's easy to see at least 3 routes that don't need a giant bridge over the bays, much less 6 of them. Ridiculous.

There is at least a 100 miles of coastline that could easily accommodate a new port and warehousing, rail and trucking facilities much better than having to go through downtown Baltimore. They can get rid of the bridges on 50 and 13 as well. They go nowhere but tourist traps.
 
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And it's happened more than once in this country. Building new ports for new transportation realities isn't a bad thing, just the opposite, and easily doable; they're doing it all over the world. Baltimore's location isn't important any more, for anything, plus it's a shithole.

So?

You can't design for a one in a trillion occurrence if said design is less efficient than the design you want to use.
 
They might want to consider replacing it with a tunnel complex.

In Tidewater Virginia, we have the HRBT (Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel) which has been two tubes, 2 each way. They are currently adding another bridge/tube and reworking the approach roads. I'm assuming that 1 of the 3 will be easily swappable to change direction based on commuter traffic direction which is mostly south in the morning and north in the afternoon.

If they do than ships going under a bridge isn't a problem anymore.

WW

Ships going under a bridge aren't a problem 999,999,999,999,999,999,999 out of 1,000,0000,0000,0000....you get the idea.
 
And it's happened more than once in this country. Building new ports for new transportation realities isn't a bad thing, just the opposite, and easily doable; they're doing it all over the world. Baltimore's location isn't important any more, for anything, plus it's a shithole.
Just a few facts about the port:

The Port's private and public terminals handled 847,158 autos and light trucks in 2023, the most of any U.S. port for the thirteenth straight year.
In 2023, the Port ranked first in the nation in handling automobiles, light trucks, farm and construction machinery, as well as imported sugar and gypsum. The Port ranked second in the country for exporting coal. In 2022, the Port ranked sixth for importing coffee, 119,000 tons worth $609 million.
In Fiscal Year 2023, some 11.7 million tons of general cargo were handled by the Port's public terminals, a new record from the 11.3 million tons set in 2022.
Moreover, in 2023, the Port of Baltimore handled a record 52.3 million tons of international cargo, valued at $80.8 billion. Nationally, Baltimore ranks 9th for both total dollar value and tonnage of international cargo.
Also in 2023, the Port of Baltimore handled a record 1.3 million tons of imported roll-on/roll-off cargo (ro/ro), high and heavy farm and construction equipment. The Port is the top U.S. port for roll-on/roll-off cargo.
 
So?

You can't design for a one in a trillion occurrence if said design is less efficient than the design you want to use.

lol 'one in a trillion', eh?


It happens all the time. That's because it's stupid to build big bridges over major port traffic.
 
Just a few facts about the port:

The Port's private and public terminals handled 847,158 autos and light trucks in 2023, the most of any U.S. port for the thirteenth straight year.
In 2023, the Port ranked first in the nation in handling automobiles, light trucks, farm and construction machinery, as well as imported sugar and gypsum. The Port ranked second in the country for exporting coal. In 2022, the Port ranked sixth for importing coffee, 119,000 tons worth $609 million.
In Fiscal Year 2023, some 11.7 million tons of general cargo were handled by the Port's public terminals, a new record from the 11.3 million tons set in 2022.
Moreover, in 2023, the Port of Baltimore handled a record 52.3 million tons of international cargo, valued at $80.8 billion. Nationally, Baltimore ranks 9th for both total dollar value and tonnage of international cargo.
Also in 2023, the Port of Baltimore handled a record 1.3 million tons of imported roll-on/roll-off cargo (ro/ro), high and heavy farm and construction equipment. The Port is the top U.S. port for roll-on/roll-off cargo.

And all that could be increased a lot by moving it to a better more modern and planned location built from the ground up. Thanks for the stats.

As I said earlier, look at a map of the area. The city is the worst place to operate a modern port.
 
They might want to consider replacing it with a tunnel complex.

In Tidewater Virginia, we have the HRBT (Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel) which has been two tubes, 2 each way. They are currently adding another bridge/tube and reworking the approach roads. I'm assuming that 1 of the 3 will be easily swappable to change direction based on commuter traffic direction which is mostly south in the morning and north in the afternoon.

If they do than ships going under a bridge isn't a problem anymore.

WW
That mofo is a nightmare. Once they built the MM it was worth the extra mileage to avoid the HRBT, but now it’s as bad. I sat in HRBT traffic moving less than a mile over an hour just a few days ago. Most locals I know avoid it as much as possible especially in the summer.
 
They might want to consider replacing it with a tunnel complex.

In Tidewater Virginia, we have the HRBT (Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel) which has been two tubes, 2 each way. They are currently adding another bridge/tube and reworking the approach roads. I'm assuming that 1 of the 3 will be easily swappable to change direction based on commuter traffic direction which is mostly south in the morning and north in the afternoon.

If they do than ships going under a bridge isn't a problem anymore.

WW
We have 2 tunnel systems already. No hazmat material is allowed thru them. The Key bridge was the route semi's carrying hazmat's used to reach the port. Any hazmat delivery was scheduled beforehand and would be escorted across the bridge with all local traffic stopped until the truck(s) carrying it crossed over.
 
That mofo is a nightmare. Once they built the MM it was worth the extra mileage to avoid the HRBT, but now it’s as bad. I sat in HRBT traffic moving less than a mile over an hour just a few days ago. Most locals I know avoid it as much as possible especially in the summer.

I agree, when I retired from the Navy I live down near Dam Neck. Took a job with Canon after that. Did about 3-months of commute to make sure the job was going to work out, then sold the house and moved to Yorktown because some days it would take me 45-minutes to get to work, other days it would take 2-hours.

WW
 
We have 2 tunnel systems already. No hazmat material is allowed thru them. The Key bridge was the route semi's carrying hazmat's used to reach the port. Any hazmat delivery was scheduled beforehand and would be escorted across the bridge with all local traffic stopped until the truck(s) carrying it crossed over.

Gotta say, the HAZMAT is a consideration where I could see replacing the bridge with a bridge/tunnel might be an important consideration. A chemical spill would be one thing, if we are talking nuclear waste that a whole different problem.

WW
 
Let me ask those who know
The lights go out so boat is drifting and they take measures because they thought they would continue to drift? But, power comes back on and thats when rear starts sliding and front turns toward bridge? With power back on they get some speed and power goes out again but now they are drifting right toward bridge and can’t stop nor turn ?
 
I agree, when I retired from the Navy I live down near Dam Neck. Took a job with Canon after that. Did about 3-months of commute to make sure the job was going to work out, then sold the house and moved to Yorktown because some days it would take me 45-minutes to get to work, other days it would take 2-hours.

WW
Yeah I did the commute for about 2 years then I got transferred to another location. In my younger years going to the beach we always packed snacks for the traffic jam that was waiting for you
 

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