Ford already has 20,000 reservations for new electric F-150 Lightning pickup

[badger2]

As this Chinese study states,

The Current Process for the Recycling of Spent Lithium Ion Batteries - PubMed

With the development of electric vehicles involving lithium ion batteries as energy storage devices, the demand for lithium ion batteries in the whole industry is increasing, which is bound to lead to a large number of lithium ion batteries in the problem of waste, recycling and reuse. If not...

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’....Lithium reserves have become a top concern. Therefore, the technology of cobalt recovery should be transferred to the comprehensive utilization of spent lithium....’

Are you going to give the lithium back to the Chinese after you have purchased it? Why?

 

[Mac-7]

Our freight trains are electric.

Wrong

Trains have diesel generators

 

[badger2]

#160: Very true. So badger thinks at least twice when planning a trip. There’s much less anxiety to know that your (second [italics]) battery is charging as you drive along, and not interfering with the one your using.

 

[Mac-7]

I have solar and I could park and charge this truck in my garage and fill it up for free.

Of course

 

[HappyJoy]

I put more emphasis on Ford knowing their business than you guys know their business.

Yet you seemingly pretend to know all about it; at least as far as their electric F-150 batteries are concerned...

I've looked into the truck and yes I appear to know more about it than you.

I have no idea what that has to do with Ford focusing on building the types of cars that Americans buy, but I guess in a way that just demonstrates they know more than you.

It's a bit disingenuous to tout how many electric F-150's are on order if the gasoline or diesel versions are no longer available. Given a choice between a gas model and an electric model, I believe most people will choose the gasoline version.

What are you talking about? The gas and diesel versions are still available. And yes, nobody including Ford is expecting the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning to be their number one selling truck. Who made this claim?

Here's the new electric Mustang:

It's a car anyone with a vagina would be proud to own...

I think they call it a cross over SUV and that market is red hot. I didn't realize you had to be a vaginaphobe to get a drivers license.

Now, here's the gasoline version:

The electric version looks more like a BMW X2 than it does a Mustang...

I see. So, Ford stumped you with badging two different cars as Mustangs and you're not having it. Pretty sure these cars aren't created for the same consumer. Do you think Ford is a failure if not everyone of their products is personally appealing to you?

I also think Ford knows a thing or two about brand loyalty.

Well, I think we're gonna' find out. If they don't offer a gasoline/diesel version of the F-150, it'll signal the beginning of the end for Ford...

So, you really don't know what you're talking about then. You could have started off with that and I would have just ignored your post from the get go.

 

[HappyJoy]

Payload is not this trucks challenge. It's range, nothing more, nothing less.

Range is limited by payload

The battery will drain faster under a heavy load

Thanks for confirming, it's a range issue.

 

[miketx]

These leftists are amazing. One day the are Virus experts, the next day they are Climatologists, the next they are automotive engineers!

 

[HappyJoy]

These leftists are amazing. One day the are Virus experts, the next day they are Climatologists, the next they are automotive engineers!

Compared to who were debating we're a gaggle of Einsteins.

 

[badger2]

A gaggle, I tell you!

 

[Canon Shooter]

I've looked into the truck and yes I appear to know more about it than you.

Yet you're unable to state what the range of the vehicle will be, and use such absolute terms as "hours and hours"...

What are you talking about? The gas and diesel versions are still available. And yes, nobody including Ford is expecting the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning to be their number one selling truck. Who made this claim?

I didn't make the claim. I simply made a statement that, if they don't offer both, touting the popularity of the one they do offer is disingenuous.

You do know what the word "if" means, don't you?

I think they call it a cross over SUV and that market is red hot. I didn't realize you had to be a vaginaphobe to get a drivers license.

[/QUOTE]

They're calling it a "Mustang" to entice pillow-biters...

I see. So, Ford stumped you with badging two different cars as Mustangs and you're not having it. Pretty sure these cars aren't created for the same consumer. Do you think Ford is a failure if not everyone of their products is personally appealing to you?

They haven't stumped anyone. They do, though, make themnselves (and their defenders) look silly. What's wrong, Ford? Were all the good names for cars taken? Rehashing a vehicle with the name of an earlier model shows a lack of creativity, at best...

So, you really don't know what you're talking about then. You could have started off with that and I would have just ignored your post from the get go.

You wouldn't do that. You're ignorant and, therefore, reliant on the opinions of others, like me, who know more than you...

 

[Dana7360]

The battery pack on that stupid truck weights almost a ton and without a load it can hardly go 200 miles on a charge so only an idiot would buy one.

Ford has no worries. All these stupid Democrats in charge of the big city shitholes, Communist states and the Federal government will buy fleets of them with taxpayer's money. It will be a terrible purchase but doing stupid purchases have never stopped Democrats has it?

Thats a very good prediction. I’m disappointed I didn’t say it first.

People buy cars based on their weight or based on how much they can haul? Nobody cares how much a Tesla weighs or the old/new Hummers.

These trucks could make excellent fleet vehicles that stay within urban centers. With the exception of range these can be excellent work trucks, they start off every morning with a full tank, they have an onboard generator for electric tools and their maintenance like most EVs should be about half the cost of gas vehicles.

I'm really thinking you guys are letting your ulterior motives cloud your opinions.

I’m just agreeing that local governments are going to be buying these like crazy and Ford knows it. The capacity and the quality of the truck is irrelevant at this point. That might be a discussion in a few years once the guinea pigs are finished.

I hope they do. That will help improve the vehicle and push us closer to being less reliant on fossil fuels. They also appear to have a pretty good warranty and won't require as much maintenance.

How can EV make us "less reliant on fossil fuels" when they are going to charged by mostly fossil fuel power generation?

The combustion engine isn't as efficient as a power plant. And not all power generation is the same. As our sources of energy become more green then so will our transportation. And whether you like it or not, that's happening.

But let's go with a real world example that didn't really exist 10 or 15 years ago. That would be home solar. I have solar and I could park and charge this truck in my garage and fill it up for free. Currently I'm selling power back to the utility company so I have energy to spare, so do millions of others who already have solar.

Now with home solar you won't be able to fill up at night however home battery systems that will store electricity from your solar panels are increasing in use as they become more affordable so that will also help to charge the vehicles with zero emissions and on your own system, no need to employ a utility company at all.

However, like I said those utility companies will also continue to transition away from coal.

You do know that the batteries do not produce energy, don't you? All they do is (poorly) store electricity generated elsewhere.

I think everyone has a basic understanding that batteries store not generate power, but I dig your oversimplified and inept 'own the libs' strategy.

About maintenance. After a few years of operation they will all need to have their batteries replaced, at a tremendous cost. This is after they have been losing efficiency.

A few? How many years? How much has the EV user saved by fewer moving parts breaking and needing replacement, oil changes and other maintenance items that EVs don't require let alone cheaper energy costs?

Another thing. Why would you want your family driving down the road on a ton of batteries that the USPS won't even allow to be shipped parcel post?

Right, strap them down to a 20-50 gallon tank of flammable liquid instead. Have you tried shipping a gallon of gas?

Right now solar and wind in the US accounts for about 5% of the power generation. If I remember correctly 7% from hydro power. We have dammed up every river in the US that we can so don't expect anymore from that source.

There is no way we are going to put in enough inefficient solar collectors and those inefficient wind mills to make up for anywhere near the 88% we get from fossil and nuclear. If we ever got to 20% that would be a miracle.

I takes about 7KW to charge up one of these small EV battery banks. That is about what an average size home uses.

Until we find a way to generate the same amount of electricity from other sources as we do from fossil fuels then we are just playing a stupid shell game.

The real answer has always been fusion nuclear power. However, the Environmental Wackos have managed to shut down the FFTF reactor at Hanford, which was the best test bed in the world to develop that technology.

Fusion power is just about the only technology that has the promise to replace fossil fuels at the levels we need power nowadays.

By the way, the fossil fuel power generators have a similar efficiency loss to an internal combustion engine.

So what is the difference of burning the fuel at the generation source (with the distribution and battery deterioration loss) to charge electric vehicles or burning it in the vehicle themselves? In physics there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

I didn't read your whole post.

I usually scroll by your posts without reading but your paragraph saying until we find a way to generate the same amount of energy from other sources as we do fossil fuels we are playing a stupid shell game caught my eye.

My state has done exactly what you claim isn't and can't be done.

My state started shutting down our last coal fire plant in 2005. It's probably completely shutdown now.

We don't get most of our energy from fossil fuels. My state gets most of our energy from water, 60%. The rest is from wind, solar, natural gas and a little nuclear.

We started building one of the largest wind farms in my state in the 1990s. When it first came on line it generated too much energy for the existing grid to handle. So we voted to raise our taxes to build a new grid.

The result, we now have more energy than we use. We sell our excess energy to other states for a profit and we have the second lowest energy rates in the nation.

You are full of garbage.

 

[Canon Shooter]

These leftists are amazing. One day the are Virus experts, the next day they are Climatologists, the next they are automotive engineers!

Compared to who were debating we're a gaggle of Einsteins.

That's a high, hangin' curveball right there...

 

[initforme]

I bought a brand new 2021 f150 gas. It's sweet I drive it about 10 to 20 miles per week. Unlike others I say let the market decide. Then go from there. Do I trust big oil? Never never ever.

 

[HappyJoy]

I've looked into the truck and yes I appear to know more about it than you.

Yet you're unable to state what the range of the vehicle will be, and use such absolute terms as "hours and hours"...

What are you talking about? The gas and diesel versions are still available. And yes, nobody including Ford is expecting the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning to be their number one selling truck. Who made this claim?

I didn't make the claim. I simply made a statement that, if they don't offer both, touting the popularity of the one they do offer is disingenuous.

You do know what the word "if" means, don't you?

I think they call it a cross over SUV and that market is red hot. I didn't realize you had to be a vaginaphobe to get a drivers license.

They're calling it a "Mustang" to entice pillow-biters...

I see. So, Ford stumped you with badging two different cars as Mustangs and you're not having it. Pretty sure these cars aren't created for the same consumer. Do you think Ford is a failure if not everyone of their products is personally appealing to you?

They haven't stumped anyone. They do, though, make themnselves (and their defenders) look silly. What's wrong, Ford? Were all the good names for cars taken? Rehashing a vehicle with the name of an earlier model shows a lack of creativity, at best...

So, you really don't know what you're talking about then. You could have started off with that and I would have just ignored your post from the get go.

You wouldn't do that. You're ignorant and, therefore, reliant on the opinions of others, like me, who know more than you...
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You don't appear to understand my posts or even have a vague understanding of what the F-150 will be in 2022. Wasting my time.

EDIT: The quotes in your post are all messed up, so it looks like I've said thing that actually came from you.

 

[HappyJoy]

These leftists are amazing. One day the are Virus experts, the next day they are Climatologists, the next they are automotive engineers!

Compared to who were debating we're a gaggle of Einsteins.

That's a high, hangin' curveball right there...

LOL, got me there.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Ford sells 100 real F 150's ......per hour.

Ford sells a lot of trucks, now they'll sell more by reaching new markets.

I dont know a single truck guy that would buy an electric truck.
As was mentioned it's mainly going to sell to gov.
The damn thing weighs 6200 lbs making it pretty useless off road.

I guess you don't understand the term "new markets".

Imagine a home building contractor owning one of these to drive 50 miles to a job site and using it to haul and power their tools because the new home they are working on isn't plugged in.

I bet this winter plenty of Texans wished they had one of these plugged into their garage powering their house for a few days.

Not everyone wants exactly what you want. Do I think Ford knows more about their business than you do considering they sell more trucks than anyone else? Yep.

There's these things called generators.
Maybe you've heard of them. You can get a whole house generator for as little as $3000 bucks.
While your so called truck will run you 40k to 90k and when it runs out of juice thats it, while you can get a generator with a 500 gallon propane tank and it'll run for over a week with 24/7 usage.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Ford sells 100 real F 150's ......per hour.

Ford sells a lot of trucks, now they'll sell more by reaching new markets.

I dont know a single truck guy that would buy an electric truck.
As was mentioned it's mainly going to sell to gov.
The damn thing weighs 6200 lbs making it pretty useless off road.

I guess you don't understand the term "new markets".

Imagine a home building contractor owning one of these to drive 50 miles to a job site and using it to haul and power their tools because the new home they are working on isn't plugged in.

I bet this winter plenty of Texans wished they had one of these plugged into their garage powering their house for a few days.

Not everyone wants exactly what you want. Do I think Ford knows more about their business than you do considering they sell more trucks than anyone else? Yep.

There's these things called generators.
Maybe you've heard of them. You can get a whole house generator for as little as $3000 bucks.
While your so called truck will run you 40k to 90k and when it runs out of juice thats it, while you can get a generator with a 500 gallon propane tank and it'll run for over a week with 24/7 usage.

Some nerve from you, you know that?

How dare you present HJ with intelligence and reasoned commentary...

 

[BULLDOG]

Our freight trains are electric.

Wrong

Trains have diesel generators

In the US. less than 1% of trains are electric powered, but in Sweden 100% of their trains are. See #141. Electric trains are the future of our freight. They have been proven to be practical for quite a while.

 

[HappyJoy]

Ford sells 100 real F 150's ......per hour.

Ford sells a lot of trucks, now they'll sell more by reaching new markets.

I dont know a single truck guy that would buy an electric truck.
As was mentioned it's mainly going to sell to gov.
The damn thing weighs 6200 lbs making it pretty useless off road.

I guess you don't understand the term "new markets".

Imagine a home building contractor owning one of these to drive 50 miles to a job site and using it to haul and power their tools because the new home they are working on isn't plugged in.

I bet this winter plenty of Texans wished they had one of these plugged into their garage powering their house for a few days.

Not everyone wants exactly what you want. Do I think Ford knows more about their business than you do considering they sell more trucks than anyone else? Yep.

There's these things called generators.
Maybe you've heard of them. You can get a whole house generator for as little as $3000 bucks.
While your so called truck will run you 40k to 90k and when it runs out of juice thats it, while you can get a generator with a 500 gallon propane tank and it'll run for over a week with 24/7 usage.

You get a brand new F-150 truck to go with the power supply and you get to take that power with you. It's also quiet and no maintenance and you don't have to plant something in your yard you're hoping you never need to use.

You can also recharge your truck.

 

[Lastamender]

Looks like there is some interest in this vehicle---When the worlds most popular truck, the F-150, goes electric--it's a sign--of course, a lot of Right wing types won't buy it..since they can't blow a bunch of obnoxious smoke...LOL!

Ford already has 20,000 reservations for new electric F-150 Lightning pickup

The automaker revealed the vehicle at 9:30 p.m. ET Wednesday night during an elaborate presentation at the company's world headquarters in Dearborn, Mich. The company's shares jumped by about 3% in premarket training.
The reservations are being closely watched by the company as well as investors to gauge the interest of customers in EV pickups, which is an unproven segment that automakers are rushing to enter.
Ford is taking reservations for the vehicle on its website. A refundable $100 deposit is required.

Hopefully not the one Biden most likely shit in.