Families First Coronavirus Response Act question

[TNHarley]

You work for a small company? You are covered.
You work at a big company? You are fucked if they deem it.
THAT is a problem and they are clearly picking sides.

No, the problem is that the big companies that dont pay sick leave are greedy.

The program did the right thing - they paid the cost for the smaller companies who cannot afford it.

IF they can afford it at the time. As i said, they were even forced to pay 3 MONTHS of salary for certain circumstances.
Sure, they are greedy. So dont work for them. But my point is the duopoly gave them a free pass and not the small businesses.
I know 2 people that work for big business and they didnt get paid. If they worked for my company, they would have been. Our company doesnt have a choice. Unlike the big rollers.
The choice was taken away.

The small businesses got a LITERALLY free pass...wtf are you talking about?

The Gov't paid for it. In full!

And not only that, they also offered readily available Loans for small businesses who, if they could show they used it due to the pandemic, were forgiven from paying back.

No, it isnt literally. They LITERALLY had the choice taken from them. And for having their choice taken away, they would be paid by tax credits NEXT YEAR.
Big business kept their choice. They have the ability to tell the employees to **** off. No tax credits. No being FORCED to go against their will. NOTHING.
You work for a big company, the govt left you in the dust. As those people i mentioned can agree on.

Yes, the small companies LITERALLY had it all taken care of for them with a tax credit. Bitching about when they get the credit, because it's in a few months, is quite nit-picky insane. They were able to pay their employees while they were sick as opposed to letting them go broke, firing them, or taking the hit themselves. That's a handout you're complaining about. Super weird.

Gawd help those companies that cant afford 3 months salary with no production.
Too bad they didnt have a CHOICE, unlike the big guys that line congressmen pockets.

What in the insane mess are you talking about? The Gov't also made Loans available...

You're literally whining that small companies didn't have the "choice" not to accept free money to keep their employees having an income due to unfortunately contracting the Co-co.

It's lunacy, I tell ya!

My whole point is small businesses didnt have a choice and big business did.
People arent getting paid because the big business had a choice.
You are the only one in this thread that cant grasp my point.
The tax credits 8 months down the road are irrelevant. THEY LEFT BIG BUSINESS ALONE.

 

[TNHarley]

I ******* give up. Jesus Christ.

 

[TNHarley]

Care4All was right, by the way:


All businesses: The bill establishes a fully refundable tax credit for businesses of all size that are closed or distressed to help them keep workers on the payroll. The goal is to get those employees hired back or put on paid furlough to make sure they have jobs to return to. The credit covers to 50 percent of payroll on the first $10,000 of compensation, including health benefits, for each employee.

For employers with more than 100 full-time employees, the credit is for wages paid to employees when they are not providing services because of the coronavirus. Eligible employers with 100 or fewer full-time employees could use the deduction even if they aren't closed.

No she wasnt. Companies with over 500 employees didnt have to do a damn thing. The smaller companies got forced to pay wages.

 

[TNHarley]

I ******* give up. Jesus Christ.

You should. You're arguing that small businesses weren't given a "choice" not to pay for a sick leave with money that isn't even theirs and doesnt cost them a dime. That is pretty fuckin stupid.

you STILL dont get my point. THATS whats ******* stupid.

 

[TNHarley]

I have posted the document strait from the govt. There isnt much more i can do. I cant force people to comprehend what they are reading and what is actually happening in the real world

 

[TNHarley]

Care4All was right, by the way:


All businesses: The bill establishes a fully refundable tax credit for businesses of all size that are closed or distressed to help them keep workers on the payroll. The goal is to get those employees hired back or put on paid furlough to make sure they have jobs to return to. The credit covers to 50 percent of payroll on the first $10,000 of compensation, including health benefits, for each employee.

For employers with more than 100 full-time employees, the credit is for wages paid to employees when they are not providing services because of the coronavirus. Eligible employers with 100 or fewer full-time employees could use the deduction even if they aren't closed.

No she wasnt. Companies with over 500 employees didnt have to do a damn thing. The smaller companies got forced to pay wages.

The smaller companies were not forced to pay a dime. They were given a loan to pay for the sick leave now, and a credit on their taxes to pay for the loan at tax time.

That's some fucked up lakka-logic you have their.


And as far as big businesses - that's super fuckin weird that the Cares Act literally says verbatim what you say it doesn't say: For employers with more than 100 full-time employees, the credit is for wages paid to employees when they are not providing services because of the coronavirus.

I.E. The Gov't pays for their employees' wages as part of the Cares act, so why would the bill in your OP also pay for it.


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That in no way says big companies have to pay wages for work absence because of covid

 

[TNHarley]

I have posted the document strait from the govt. There isnt much more i can do. I cant force people to comprehend what they are reading and what is actually happening in the real world

You literally whined about the small business not having the choice not to pay a sick leave...with money thats not even theirs.

That's not no0t getting the point, its that the point is incredibly ******* stupid...and now you're backtracking.


Did you not whine that "what if they dont have the funds to pay for someone who isnt producing?"

Wasnt that you? Yes, that was you.

Then I showed you that that's what the Loans were for...


Now you're shifting to "bro, you just dont get it"


which is just shying away from being wrong about something. Do what you gotta do to complain about something, no sweat off my back - - - I'm just posting the facts that should assuage your gripe.

The whole point for posting this thread was that big business did not have to pay their workers if they didnt want.
Small companies DID. Whether they could afford it or not. your bullshit "tax credits 8 months later" doesnt mean jack to many companies.
You can also be denied a ppe loan. They arent just handing out checks. Banks even set up their own restrictions on top of the federal restrictions.

 

[easyt65]

Why do big corporations and businesses (500 or more employees) get out of having to pay employees for being off for having covid, being quarantined because of advice from local health officials, or having to take care of someone covid related?
I am asking because this lady i know has covid. Her husbands business sent him home for 14 days with no pay. They refuse to pay him because they have more than 500 employees.
Can someone explain the reasoning for this?
Is this just another example of the duopolies sucking off corporations?

"Why do big corporations and businesses (500 or more employees) get out of having to pay employees for being off for having covid, being quarantined because of advice from local health officials, or having to take care of someone covid related?"

You answered your own question:

'500 or more employees' - Big Businesses do not want to / can not handle paying 500+ employees their salary while they are not working.

 

[Juicin]

Why do big corporations and businesses (500 or more employees) get out of having to pay employees for being off for having covid, being quarantined because of advice from local health officials, or having to take care of someone covid related?
I am asking because this lady i know has covid. Her husbands business sent him home for 14 days with no pay. They refuse to pay him because they have more than 500 employees.
Can someone explain the reasoning for this?
Is this just another example of the duopolies sucking off corporations?

The question is why do small business have to pay you?

That's now how America normally works

Corporations are just doing the usual, small business didn't have anyone in the room to defend them. That's probably why

 

[OldLady]

Why do big corporations and businesses (500 or more employees) get out of having to pay employees for being off for having covid, being quarantined because of advice from local health officials, or having to take care of someone covid related?
I am asking because this lady i know has covid. Her husbands business sent him home for 14 days with no pay. They refuse to pay him because they have more than 500 employees.
Can someone explain the reasoning for this?
Is this just another example of the duopolies sucking off corporations?

It was my understanding that every company had to give the 10 paid days for covid, covid related.

But those with less than 500 employees got reimbursed by the govt for it.

Your neighbor situation seems wrong.

Nope. Companies with more than 500 employees didnt have to do jack squat. The choice was only taken away from the little guys.
Families First Coronavirus Response Act: Employer Paid Leave Requirements | U.S. Department of Labor (dol.gov)
The paid sick leave and expanded family and medical leave provisions of the FFCRA apply to certain public employers, and private employers with fewer than 500 employees.

The small companies got a hand out, and the big companies didn't.

Well, that's not exactly true, either. Other parts of the covid relief bill, they did in fact get handouts too. I honestly miss the beef here. Small businesses were given money to pay employees a sick leave if they got covid.

They didnt have to spend that loan money on payroll, though. They could have used every dime on utilities and mortgage or rent and they would have been in the clear.

No, only 25% could go to overhead. If they want the loan forgiven.