Draft: Would you go?

[Desperado]

If you aren't willing to do what needs to be done to pass the rights and freedoms gifted you by our forefathers to our children and grandchildren

And what pray tell needs to be done in Iraq and Afghanistan, so that we can pass the rights and freedoms gifted by our forefathers to our children and grandchildren?

 

[Desperado]

yes

Good answer.....
Now what was the question?

 

[LibertyLemming]

You guys realize that all the government does is restrict freedom right, not grant it, so technically you are defending our restrictions on freedom gg

 

[whitehall]

If the draft was enacted during a democrat administration you can bet your ass that the mainstream media would do their best to convince young draftees that the Mid East conflict was the greatest use of the Military since Teddy's charge up San Juan Hill. If the draft was enacted during a republican administration the mainstream media would try to convince kids that Canada is a nice place to relocate.

 

[9thIDdoc]

If you aren't willing to do what needs to be done to pass the rights and freedoms gifted you by our forefathers to our children and grandchildren you're part of the problem and (IMO) have no right to consider this your country.
It is no more your place to decide what wars should be fought as it is your place to pick the president

I don't know what country you're in but in this country we DO pick the President.

In theory anyway.

Curious how some wags who would like to claim "patriotism" simultaneously profess a contempt for the First Amendment it's built on.

(Edit: as in the following post. Perfect example )

My post had nothing to do with the first amendment unless you're talking about my first amendment right to express an opinion. You have contempt for that?

 

[Dr Grump]

Not a chance in hell...

 

[Dr Grump]

If you aren't willing to do what needs to be done to pass the rights and freedoms gifted you by our forefathers to our children and grandchildren you're part of the problem and (IMO) have no right to consider this your country.
It is no more your place to decide what wars should be fought as it is your place to pick the president

what a crock. So which American freedoms are your children and grandchildren getting back by being in Iraq and Afghanistan...Germany and Japan for that matter...

 

[Pogo]

If you aren't willing to do what needs to be done to pass the rights and freedoms gifted you by our forefathers to our children and grandchildren you're part of the problem and (IMO) have no right to consider this your country.
It is no more your place to decide what wars should be fought as it is your place to pick the president

I don't know what country you're in but in this country we DO pick the President.

In theory anyway.

Curious how some wags who would like to claim "patriotism" simultaneously profess a contempt for the First Amendment it's built on.

(Edit: as in the following post. Perfect example )

My post had nothing to do with the first amendment unless you're talking about my first amendment right to express an opinion. You have contempt for that?

No you mindless dolt, it ain't always all about you. Jesus Christ on a cracker...

Your post has everything to do with dissing the First Amendment. You just deported people who have an opinion different from yours. And I quote, "you're part of the problem and (IMO) have no right to consider this your country". And who the **** are you to deport people? My country protects and includes those variant opinions. If you want a one-party state where dissent is verboten, go visit Pyonyang. They have just what you want.

 

[9thIDdoc]

If you aren't willing to do what needs to be done to pass the rights and freedoms gifted you by our forefathers to our children and grandchildren you're part of the problem and (IMO) have no right to consider this your country.
It is no more your place to decide what wars should be fought as it is your place to pick the president

I don't know what country you're in but in this country we DO pick the President.

In theory anyway.

Curious how some wags who would like to claim "patriotism" simultaneously profess a contempt for the First Amendment it's built on.

(Edit: as in the following post. Perfect example )

"I don't know what country you're in but in this country we DO pick the President."

That is exactly my point. We pick the president; not you.
You are either part of "we" or you aren't.
Example: I thought Obama was a totally unqualified candidate for president. I didn't vote for him either time and tried to talk others out of doing so. That doesn't change the fact that I am part of "we the people" and "we the people" elected his sorry ass and I do not claim otherwise.
By the same token you have neither the job nor the right to decide this countries foreign policy (thank God) or internal laws.
I have never agreed conscription was something this nation should do. Nor was I especially enthusiastic about our involvement in Vietnam. But when I received my draft notice I sucked it up and enlisted because it was the right thing to do. And it was.
A person who willingly accepts the good things this country has to offer should be willing serve his country if called to do so. If not he is simply a leech with no redeeming value.

 

[Dr Grump]

I have never agreed conscription was something this nation should do. Nor was I especially enthusiastic about our involvement in Vietnam. But when I received my draft notice I sucked it up and enlisted because it was the right thing to do. And it was.
A person who willingly accepts the good things this country has to offer should be willing serve his country if called to do so. If not he is simply a leech with no redeeming value.

I'm trying to think the last time I read such tosh in a serious thread. So if your president tells you March off and invade Canada because he says so, you'll just join up and off you go? Talk about a lemming...

Nobody - Nobody has the right to tell you to go and (maybe) sacrifice your life for something you don't believe in.

The fact you think Vietnam was 'the right thing to do' says it all really. The last war the US was involved in that was righteous was WWII. Maybe, just maybe Korea. But the rest? Those who burned their draft cards for Vietnam and went to Canada are also heroes in my book...as are those who served.

 

[9thIDdoc]

If you aren't willing to do what needs to be done to pass the rights and freedoms gifted you by our forefathers to our children and grandchildren you're part of the problem and (IMO) have no right to consider this your country.
It is no more your place to decide what wars should be fought as it is your place to pick the president

The undeclared war in the middle east is doing nothing to protect our freedoms because neither iraq nor afghanistan posed a real threat to us.

And I think the people have the responsibility to disobey the government if the government is engaged in unjust wars. I will not murder innocent people merely because my government tells me to.

Tell me all of all the people we have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan how many of them were actually a threat to American citizens?

They have no Navy to speak of, no air force to speak of no way to mount any meaningful attack on this country.

I'll pose the same questions for any other undeclared war we have waged.

We are talking about war so encompassing as to require a draft no war since WWII has been worthy of a draft because no war since then has been in response to a legitimate threat to America.

What in the world gave you the idiotic idea that you have to be aware of a threat for there to be one? War is and always has been part of global politics which also includes such things as allies and power blocks and any number of treaties and other things of which you remain blissfully unaware. Recent wars no less so any that came before.
Korea and Vietnam-aside from involving alliances and treaties-were also very much a part of the Cold War which could well have been the most important war ever fought.

Did you miss 9/11? It was in all the news. Islamic jihadists have been and remain a very serious threat that only the terminally ignorant would ignore. We have no choice to be at war with them. We can either fight it in the ME or here at home.

 

[SFC Ollie]

If you aren't willing to do what needs to be done to pass the rights and freedoms gifted you by our forefathers to our children and grandchildren you're part of the problem and (IMO) have no right to consider this your country.
It is no more your place to decide what wars should be fought as it is your place to pick the president

The undeclared war in the middle east is doing nothing to protect our freedoms because neither iraq nor afghanistan posed a real threat to us.

And I think the people have the responsibility to disobey the government if the government is engaged in unjust wars. I will not murder innocent people merely because my government tells me to.

Tell me all of all the people we have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan how many of them were actually a threat to American citizens?

They have no Navy to speak of, no air force to speak of no way to mount any meaningful attack on this country.

I'll pose the same questions for any other undeclared war we have waged.

We are talking about war so encompassing as to require a draft no war since WWII has been worthy of a draft because no war since then has been in response to a legitimate threat to America.

This from the same person who claims that they care about people. But you don't care enough to help keep the South Koreans free, and you don't care enough to help attempt to keep the South Vietnamese people free. You're all talk.....And not really worthy of my time. You are the weakest link, Goodby.

 

[Unkotare]

A person who willingly accepts the good things this country has to offer should be willing serve his country if called to do so. If not he is simply a leech with no redeeming value.[/COLOR]

Exactly.

 

[Dr Grump]

What in the world gave you the idiotic idea that you have to be aware of a threat for there to be one? War is and always has been part of global politics which also includes such things as allies and power blocks and any number of treaties and other things of which you remain blissfully unaware. Recent wars no less so any that came before.
Korea and Vietnam-aside from involving alliances and treaties-were also very much a part of the Cold War which could well have been the most important war ever fought.

Did you miss 9/11? It was in all the news. Islamic jihadists have been and remain a very serious threat that only the terminally ignorant would ignore. We have no choice to be at war with them. We can either fight it in the ME or here at home

First of all, if they're gonna send you off to war, they better have a ******* good reason, and yes, I want to know what I'm being asked to sacrifice. And it ain't dodgy WMD's that don't even exist.

The Cold War my arse. What a pathetic excuse. The US had enough nukes to blow up the world 10 times over. Vietnam was none of its business. See the movie the Fog of War - it's basically a 90 minute interview with McNamara. He almost admits it was a dumb war.

What do Islamic Jihadists have to do with Iraq and Afghanistan? The 9-11 scum were from SA and Egypt...

 

[Dr Grump]

This from the same person who claims that they care about people. But you don't care enough to help keep the South Koreans free, and you don't care enough to help attempt to keep the South Vietnamese people free. You're all talk.....And not really worthy of my time. You are the weakest link, Goodby.

Are you telling me that South Vietnam and Korea - at the time - weren't totalitarian regimes? is that what you are telling me? really?

 

[Unkotare]

What do Islamic Jihadists have to do with Iraq and Afghanistan? The 9-11 scum were from SA and Egypt...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI]Picard's Epic Double Facepalm - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Desperado]

But you don't care enough to help keep the South Koreans free, and you don't care enough to help attempt to keep the South Vietnamese people free. You're all talk.....And not really worthy of my time. You are the weakest link, Goodby.

It is not the responsibility of the United States to jump into the middle of another country's civil war be it Vietnam or Korea. The biggest problem with the United States is that we cannot keep our noses out of other people's business.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Yep we should never have an Allie or go to their aid......Got it.........

You people are sickening.

 

[9thIDdoc]

I have never agreed conscription was something this nation should do. Nor was I especially enthusiastic about our involvement in Vietnam. But when I received my draft notice I sucked it up and enlisted because it was the right thing to do. And it was.
A person who willingly accepts the good things this country has to offer should be willing serve his country if called to do so. If not he is simply a leech with no redeeming value.

I'm trying to think the last time I read such tosh in a serious thread. So if your president tells you March off and invade Canada because he says so, you'll just join up and off you go? Talk about a lemming...

Nobody - Nobody has the right to tell you to go and (maybe) sacrifice your life for something you don't believe in.

The fact you think Vietnam was 'the right thing to do' says it all really. The last war the US was involved in that was righteous was WWII. Maybe, just maybe Korea. But the rest? Those who burned their draft cards for Vietnam and went to Canada are also heroes in my book...as are those who served.

Tosh?! Oh no! Say it ain't so.

The fact you think Vietnam was 'the right thing to do' says it all really.

Yes it does. With a draft notice in hand there was no legal or honorable way to avoid going. I enlisted-at the cost of an additional 1.5 yr. commitment-for training to become a medic and I went to Vietnam to fight to keep as many of our guys as alive and healthy as possible. I like to think I did a pretty good job even though there was a price to pay. I still think that was a goal worth fighting for.

Soldiers fight for their country and their fellow soldiers; not for politics. And that is just as true now as it ever has been.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yep we should never have an Allie or go to their aid......Got it.........

You people are sickening.

Not saying that at all. US was honorable in WWII. Actually they were in most of the wars they have been in since. It's the reason(s) for going that are the issue..