Draft: Would you go?

[Dr Grump]

Tosh?! Oh no! Say it ain't so.



Yes it does. With a draft notice in hand there was no legal or honorable way to avoid going. I enlisted-at the cost of an additional 1.5 yr. commitment-for training to become a medic and I went to Vietnam to fight to keep as many of our guys as alive and healthy as possible. I like to think I did a pretty good job even though there was a price to pay. I still think that was a goal worth fighting for.

Soldiers fight for their country and their fellow soldiers; not for politics. And that is just as true now as it ever has been.

And I think you deserve any kudos that comes your way. You made your decision and that is what you feel comfortable with, and I'm pretty sure you did a more than admirable job. However, just because you made a decision about your future doesn't mean you have to degenerate others for their decisions. There is no right or wrong here in that regard. Do I think Vietnam was a mistake? Absolutely. Does that mean you made the wrong decision? Yeah, I do, but that doesn't mean I'm right. You have to live with what you live with. You are no better or no worse than those who didn't go to Vietnam.

 

[Drake_Roberts]

It's obvious that there are certain people on this thread that if the USA were ever to come under attack they would simply be happy to take the winners side. Of course they would hide under their beds until it was over.........

I don't give a damn about my opinions about the US regime, if America was invaded by a outside hostile nation, I would gladly enlist and pray any decent American would as well.

 

[9thIDdoc]

It's obvious that there are certain people on this thread that if the USA were ever to come under attack they would simply be happy to take the winners side. Of course they would hide under their beds until it was over.........

I don't give a damn about my opinions about the US regime, if America was invaded by a outside hostile nation, I would gladly enlist and pray any decent American would as well.

And you would still be in boot camp when the issue was decided. That's one of the reasons not to wait until they are kicking your door in.

 

[Spiderman]

If you aren't willing to do what needs to be done to pass the rights and freedoms gifted you by our forefathers to our children and grandchildren you're part of the problem and (IMO) have no right to consider this your country.
It is no more your place to decide what wars should be fought as it is your place to pick the president

The undeclared war in the middle east is doing nothing to protect our freedoms because neither iraq nor afghanistan posed a real threat to us.

And I think the people have the responsibility to disobey the government if the government is engaged in unjust wars. I will not murder innocent people merely because my government tells me to.

Tell me all of all the people we have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan how many of them were actually a threat to American citizens?

They have no Navy to speak of, no air force to speak of no way to mount any meaningful attack on this country.

I'll pose the same questions for any other undeclared war we have waged.

We are talking about war so encompassing as to require a draft no war since WWII has been worthy of a draft because no war since then has been in response to a legitimate threat to America.

What in the world gave you the idiotic idea that you have to be aware of a threat for there to be one? War is and always has been part of global politics which also includes such things as allies and power blocks and any number of treaties and other things of which you remain blissfully unaware. Recent wars no less so any that came before.
Korea and Vietnam-aside from involving alliances and treaties-were also very much a part of the Cold War which could well have been the most important war ever fought.

Did you miss 9/11? It was in all the news. Islamic jihadists have been and remain a very serious threat that only the terminally ignorant would ignore. We have no choice to be at war with them. We can either fight it in the ME or here at home.

We invaded Iraq to enforce UN sanctions not because there was a threat to our country.

And really the terrorist threat is obviously not as big as we think. If it were there would be car bombs going off on a regular basis. There would be suicide bombings in our hotels.

 

[Spiderman]

If you aren't willing to do what needs to be done to pass the rights and freedoms gifted you by our forefathers to our children and grandchildren you're part of the problem and (IMO) have no right to consider this your country.
It is no more your place to decide what wars should be fought as it is your place to pick the president

The undeclared war in the middle east is doing nothing to protect our freedoms because neither iraq nor afghanistan posed a real threat to us.

And I think the people have the responsibility to disobey the government if the government is engaged in unjust wars. I will not murder innocent people merely because my government tells me to.

Tell me all of all the people we have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan how many of them were actually a threat to American citizens?

They have no Navy to speak of, no air force to speak of no way to mount any meaningful attack on this country.

I'll pose the same questions for any other undeclared war we have waged.

We are talking about war so encompassing as to require a draft no war since WWII has been worthy of a draft because no war since then has been in response to a legitimate threat to America.

This from the same person who claims that they care about people. But you don't care enough to help keep the South Koreans free, and you don't care enough to help attempt to keep the South Vietnamese people free. You're all talk.....And not really worthy of my time. You are the weakest link, Goodby.

SO now I not only have to die for my government but for every other government as well?

 

[Spiderman]

That's because you're nothing, you're nobody; a worthless, empty shell where there should be a human being.

And yet you feel the need to keep responding to my posts. ...

YOU need to be reminded of what you aren't. Maybe someday, by some magic, you'll turn in to a real human being.

YOU seem to think I give a shit about your opinion. The fact that you believe in magic explains why you are such a willing drone.

 

[Spiderman]

It's obvious that there are certain people on this thread that if the USA were ever to come under attack they would simply be happy to take the winners side. Of course they would hide under their beds until it was over.........

I don't give a damn about my opinions about the US regime, if America was invaded by a outside hostile nation, I would gladly enlist and pray any decent American would as well.

And the US has invaded more countries than any other nation in modern history.

To believe that all those undeclared acts of war were the last resort to protect America and its citizens is naive at best.

And if there was a threat we should have been fully informed. It is impossible to trust the intentions of a government, its politicians and their puppet masters when they are allowed to lie to us with impunity.

 

[JWBooth]

It is always a mistake to believe the government.

 

[Desperado]

Yep we should never have an Allie or go to their aid..

Prior to the US getting involved in their civil wars, How were South Korea or South Vietnam our Allies? Did they help us in WW2? What exactly made them our ally?

 

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[Drake_Roberts]

It's obvious that there are certain people on this thread that if the USA were ever to come under attack they would simply be happy to take the winners side. Of course they would hide under their beds until it was over.........

I don't give a damn about my opinions about the US regime, if America was invaded by a outside hostile nation, I would gladly enlist and pray any decent American would as well.

And you would still be in boot camp when the issue was decided. That's one of the reasons not to wait until they are kicking your door in.

Sorry, but if America was getting its ass kicked here in the States, I doubt they would make recruits go through a year and a half of training only to be mowed down by an enemy ambush. Maybe officers would go through extended training, but I doubt foot soldiers would.

 

[MikeK]

I believe the draft is a good thing, mainly because a conscripted army is a People's army, but also because the draft produces an enormous pool of trained soldiers in the civilian population who could be activated and deployed in a matter of two weeks in the event of a military emergency whereas it takes months to induct and train raw recruits.

 

[bianco]

No need for a draft these days...there are drones, missiles, and nukes.

Putting boots on the ground to get slaughtered is no longer needed...and is a total outrage anyway.

Draft?
Don't forget all the young women/women, all the minorities, all the Muslim women.
It must be "One in, all in" or stand by for the outrage and 'war'.

 

[MikeK]

No need for a draft these days...there are drones, missiles, and nukes.

Putting boots on the ground to get slaughtered is no longer needed...and is a total outrage anyway.

Draft?
Don't forget all the young women/women, all the minorities, all the Muslim women.
It must be "One in, all in" or stand by for the outrage and 'war'.

In the age of Mutually Assured Destruction our use of nukes against a nuclear-equipped adversary would be suicide. And knowing there are enemies who are willing to sacrifice their lives to strike at their enemy it is critically important that we are able to effectively confront them without pushing the Armageddon Button.

While I believe there was no good reason for us to invade Iraq, if you recall the reason why bush fired then-Chief-of-Staff General Shinseki was Shinseki refused to put boots on the ground in Iraq because we simply didn't have enough of them. He said in order to avoid a prolonged and costly occupation, along with the unnecessary loss of American lives, we would need at least another 150,000 troops to expand across and secure that nation against resurgence and insurgency and enable our being out of there in less than one year.

Bush wouldn't listen and it cost us over 5,000 lives, countless maimings, and nearly five trillion dollars.

 

[Unkotare]

And yet you feel the need to keep responding to my posts. ...

YOU need to be reminded of what you aren't. Maybe someday, by some magic, you'll turn in to a real human being.

YOU seem to think I give a shit about your opinion. ...

Yeah, you don't give a shit about anything. Keep trying to be 'proud' of that, you nihilistic waste of a human life. You're just an empty shell taking up space in my country.

 

[Unkotare]

No need for a draft these days...there are drones, missiles, and nukes.

Putting boots on the ground to get slaughtered is no longer needed....

Oh you're a real military genius, you are...

 

[bianco]

No need for a draft these days...there are drones, missiles, and nukes.

Putting boots on the ground to get slaughtered is no longer needed....

Oh you're a real military genius, you are...

Michelle Witmer was killed in Iraq.
Just one American among many who were sacrificed for nothing.
There was no need for any of them to die.
Iraq, still as big a basket case as it was before...in fact worse.
Saddam was America's good buddy when he was attacking Iran.

Afghanistan worked out well...not.
All they had to do was watch Rambo3...to know that invading Afghanistan was total lunacy.
But they knew better.
Of course, they weren't the boots on the ground that got slaughtered and maimed for life, for nothing.
Afghanistan, still heroin export central.
AQ is still going strong, simply just got another chief.

Boots on the ground...seems they're thought of by many as just expendable 'tin soldiers'.

Draft...baaah!

 

[bianco]

No need for a draft these days...there are drones, missiles, and nukes.

Putting boots on the ground to get slaughtered is no longer needed...and is a total outrage anyway.

Draft?
Don't forget all the young women/women, all the minorities, all the Muslim women.
It must be "One in, all in" or stand by for the outrage and 'war'.

In the age of Mutually Assured Destruction our use of nukes against a nuclear-equipped adversary would be suicide. And knowing there are enemies who are willing to sacrifice their lives to strike at their enemy it is critically important that we are able to effectively confront them without pushing the Armageddon Button.

While I believe there was no good reason for us to invade Iraq, if you recall the reason why bush fired then-Chief-of-Staff General Shinseki was Shinseki refused to put boots on the ground in Iraq because we simply didn't have enough of them. He said in order to avoid a prolonged and costly occupation, along with the unnecessary loss of American lives, we would need at least another 150,000 troops to expand across and secure that nation against resurgence and insurgency and enable our being out of there in less than one year.

Bush wouldn't listen and it cost us over 5,000 lives, countless maimings, and nearly five trillion dollars.

There are conventional bombs and conventional missiles, drones, subs etc.
Congress approved Bush's invasions...next time they should think more deeply.
Boots on the ground should be kept to repel any invasion on home soil.
See China invading Iraq and Afghanistan?
No.

 

[Unkotare]

No need for a draft these days...there are drones, missiles, and nukes.

Putting boots on the ground to get slaughtered is no longer needed....

Oh you're a real military genius, you are...

Michelle Witmer was killed in Iraq.
Just one American among many who were sacrificed for nothing.
!

**** you and your "for nothing" bumper sticker bullshit, you little ******* worm. You are an absolute disgrace, you disrespectful piece of shit.

 

[Unkotare]

There are conventional bombs and conventional missiles, drones, subs etc. .

You can't win a war by just lobbing bombs from afar, you stupid ******* shit.