Draft: Would you go?

[bianco]

Seems to me that those who serve are just treated as expendable pawns...

Air Force dumped ashes of more troops? remains in Va. landfill than acknowledged - The Washington Post

Air Force dumped ashes of more troops’ remains in Va. landfill than acknowledged


The Air Force dumped the incinerated partial remains of at least 274 American troops in a Virginia landfill, far more than the military had acknowledged, before halting the secretive practice three years ago, records show.

The Air Force had maintained that it could not estimate how many troops might have had their remains sent to a landfill. The practice was revealed last month by The Washington Post, which was able to document a single case of a soldier whose partial remains were sent to the King George County landfill in Virginia.
The new data, for the first time, show the scope of what has become an embarrassing episode for vaunted Dover Air Base, the main port of entry for America’s war dead.

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Partial remains should be put in a coffin and buried with full military honours, as with all other deceased veterans.

Dumped in landfill?
Yes, the caring and sharing military.
No draft!

 

[bianco]

There are conventional bombs and conventional missiles, drones, subs etc. .

You can't win a war by just lobbing bombs from afar, you stupid ******* shit.

I say you can.
First you blow up the palaces and homes of all the leaders, having threatened to do so if they don't do what you're asking them nicely to do.

Drone bombings, missile strikes, Taliban strongholds turned into ash.
No stomach for that?...then don't start the wars.


Doing what the Indians used to do...surround the forts, cut off the food and water deliveries. and wait...is another good tactic.

 

[bianco]

Oh you're a real military genius, you are...

Michelle Witmer was killed in Iraq.
Just one American among many who were sacrificed for nothing.
!

**** you and your "for nothing" bumper sticker bullshit, you little ******* worm. You are an absolute disgrace, you disrespectful piece of shit.

No disrespect...I support the troops, all of them, every single one of them.

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me as to just what exactly Michelle Witmer [National Guard]and all the others died and were maimed for life for.

 

[MikeK]

Considering the nature and the purpose of our military actions in the Middle East, the imposing question is what motivates those who volunteer to participate in it?

My father and his two brothers joined the army at a time when the U.S. was attacked by a nation which had formidable military resources. Based on all I've read and what I've been told, they endured much physical suffering and mental agony to defend us. If they hadn't made that sacrifice our Nation would have been invaded and occupied. I regard every American who volunteered to fight the Japanese and the Germans as genuine heroes.

The World Trade Center was attacked by nineteen suicidal Middle Eastern shahids who represented an enemy which has absolutely no capability of invading the U.S. or effecting any aggression on this Nation other than occasional surreptitiously destructive ("terrorist") incidents implemented from within -- essentially a federal police matter. While I do not disregard the bravery of those troops who demonstrate traditional warrior virtues on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, the fact remains none of it was or is necessary or in any way productive. These people have volunteered and continue to volunteer to waste themselves.

To learn now that the remains of these wasted Americans are being quietly dumped into landfills is in undeniable fact a symbolic statement of the reality which is contemporary American military policy.

It is nothing to be proud of. And if my father and my uncles who suffered through and fortunately survived World War Two were still alive I'm sure they would be disgusted by the cynically disgraceful waste.

 

[9thIDdoc]

I believe the draft is a good thing, mainly because a conscripted army is a People's army, but also because the draft produces an enormous pool of trained soldiers in the civilian population who could be activated and deployed in a matter of two weeks in the event of a military emergency whereas it takes months to induct and train raw recruits.

We already have that pool in the form of the military reserve units and national guard.
A conscripted army is a slave army; not a "People's" army. And having reported and served once it is unlikely they would be willing to do so again. They would think-quite rightly-that it would be someone else's turn. And if they didn't receive those months of training how do you think they are ever going to become trained soldiers?

 

[Unkotare]

There are conventional bombs and conventional missiles, drones, subs etc. .

You can't win a war by just lobbing bombs from afar, you stupid ******* shit.

I say you can..

And history says you're a ******* idiot.

 

[Unkotare]

Michelle Witmer was killed in Iraq.
Just one American among many who were sacrificed for nothing.
!

**** you and your "for nothing" bumper sticker bullshit, you little ******* worm. You are an absolute disgrace, you disrespectful piece of shit.

No disrespect...

**** you. It IS disrespect and you ARE a low-life piece of shit.

 

[9thIDdoc]

No need for a draft these days...there are drones, missiles, and nukes.

Putting boots on the ground to get slaughtered is no longer needed...and is a total outrage anyway.

Draft?
Don't forget all the young women/women, all the minorities, all the Muslim women.
It must be "One in, all in" or stand by for the outrage and 'war'.

In the age of Mutually Assured Destruction our use of nukes against a nuclear-equipped adversary would be suicide. And knowing there are enemies who are willing to sacrifice their lives to strike at their enemy it is critically important that we are able to effectively confront them without pushing the Armageddon Button.

While I believe there was no good reason for us to invade Iraq, if you recall the reason why bush fired then-Chief-of-Staff General Shinseki was Shinseki refused to put boots on the ground in Iraq because we simply didn't have enough of them. He said in order to avoid a prolonged and costly occupation, along with the unnecessary loss of American lives, we would need at least another 150,000 troops to expand across and secure that nation against resurgence and insurgency and enable our being out of there in less than one year.

Bush wouldn't listen and it cost us over 5,000 lives, countless maimings, and nearly five trillion dollars.

And events proved Shinseki wrong.
Our troops are there to defend us. That's what they do. Fighting terrorists is necessary as long as they wage jihad against us and doing it on their home ground is much better than doing so on ours. Our troops deserve your respect and support; not your slander.

 

[Pogo]

No need for a draft these days...there are drones, missiles, and nukes.

Putting boots on the ground to get slaughtered is no longer needed...and is a total outrage anyway.

Draft?
Don't forget all the young women/women, all the minorities, all the Muslim women.
It must be "One in, all in" or stand by for the outrage and 'war'.

In the age of Mutually Assured Destruction our use of nukes against a nuclear-equipped adversary would be suicide. And knowing there are enemies who are willing to sacrifice their lives to strike at their enemy it is critically important that we are able to effectively confront them without pushing the Armageddon Button.

While I believe there was no good reason for us to invade Iraq, if you recall the reason why bush fired then-Chief-of-Staff General Shinseki was Shinseki refused to put boots on the ground in Iraq because we simply didn't have enough of them. He said in order to avoid a prolonged and costly occupation, along with the unnecessary loss of American lives, we would need at least another 150,000 troops to expand across and secure that nation against resurgence and insurgency and enable our being out of there in less than one year.

Bush wouldn't listen and it cost us over 5,000 lives, countless maimings, and nearly five trillion dollars.

And events proved Shinseki wrong.
Our troops are there to defend us. That's what they do. Fighting terrorists is necessary as long as they wage jihad against us and doing it on their home ground is much better than doing so on ours. Our troops deserve your respect and support; not your slander.

Poster please.

What our troops deserve is wise and reasoned leadership -- not some yahoo sending other people's children to get the guy who "tried to kill my dad". The fact is Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and even Shrub admitted that. Nothing. So questioning that for what it is isn't "slander"; it's patriotism.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Considering the nature and the purpose of our military actions in the Middle East, the imposing question is what motivates those who volunteer to participate in it?

Exactly those same things that motivated your father and two brothers.

My father and his two brothers joined the army at a time when the U.S. was attacked by a nation which had formidable military resources. Based on all I've read and what I've been told, they endured much physical suffering and mental agony to defend us. If they hadn't made that sacrifice our Nation would have been invaded and occupied.

Bullshit. There is no evidence that Germany, Japan or Italy had any intention of invading the continental US. Germany battered the UK with bombs and rockets but was still unable to carry out the invasion they had planned. So they invaded Russia and lost.

I regard every American who volunteered to fight the Japanese and the Germans as genuine heroes.

So do I. But no more so than any other soldier that has fought for our country.

The World Trade Center was attacked by nineteen suicidal Middle Eastern shahids who represented an enemy which has absolutely no capability of invading the U.S. or effecting any aggression on this Nation other than occasional surreptitiously destructive ("terrorist") incidents implemented from within -- essentially a federal police matter.

You overlook the fact that they obviously didn't need that capability to cause us great destruction and death. Or do you just not think we deserve to be protected as long as we are not invaded. Is there any doubt that they would use WMD on us given a chance? Did you miss the fact Iraq had used chemical weapons and were thought to playing with biological ones?

While I do not disregard the bravery of those troops who demonstrate traditional warrior virtues on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, the fact remains none of it was or is necessary or in any way productive. These people have volunteered and continue to volunteer to waste themselves.

Wrong. The truth is that you are willing to slander those who are fighting for you and undermine their efforts for no better reason than you are delusional enough think that your views on warfare and politics are the only correct ones.

To learn now that the remains of these wasted Americans are being quietly dumped into landfills is in undeniable fact a symbolic statement of the reality which is contemporary American military policy.

Why would you care when you display such disrespect yourself?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Why do so many people think we went into Iraq because of 9-11?

 

[9thIDdoc]

In the age of Mutually Assured Destruction our use of nukes against a nuclear-equipped adversary would be suicide. And knowing there are enemies who are willing to sacrifice their lives to strike at their enemy it is critically important that we are able to effectively confront them without pushing the Armageddon Button.

While I believe there was no good reason for us to invade Iraq, if you recall the reason why bush fired then-Chief-of-Staff General Shinseki was Shinseki refused to put boots on the ground in Iraq because we simply didn't have enough of them. He said in order to avoid a prolonged and costly occupation, along with the unnecessary loss of American lives, we would need at least another 150,000 troops to expand across and secure that nation against resurgence and insurgency and enable our being out of there in less than one year.

Bush wouldn't listen and it cost us over 5,000 lives, countless maimings, and nearly five trillion dollars.

And events proved Shinseki wrong.
Our troops are there to defend us. That's what they do. Fighting terrorists is necessary as long as they wage jihad against us and doing it on their home ground is much better than doing so on ours. Our troops deserve your respect and support; not your slander.

Poster please.

What our troops deserve is wise and reasoned leadership -- not some yahoo sending other people's children to get the guy who "tried to kill my dad". The fact is Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and even Shrub admitted that. Nothing. So questioning that for what it is isn't "slander"; it's patriotism.

No it's bullshit because terrorists most certainly did commit the 9/11 attack. We went to war against terrorists (9/11 was not the only terrorist attack made against us), Saddam was a terrorist and Iraq publicly supported terrorism.

 

[Pogo]

Why do so many people think we went into Iraq because of 9-11?

Good question.

It's because they believed George Bush, but why would people believe him? That is a puzzler.

 

[bianco]

The draftees might of course just throw down their weapons, and sit down on the parade ground and refuse to do anything...in protest at being forced into the military...at a time whien Tojo and Hitler are not coming over the hill to enslave all Americans.
Should make interesting headlines in the papers and on the 6 o'clock news.

An army full of draftees who don't want to be there, can't do all the physical stuff [how are 'Barbie' and her male equivalent ever gonna carry the heavy packs around, climb etc the obstacle course, keep up on runs etc etc etc?], and hate the govt/military for forcing them away from their jobs etc.......................just what you'd want, not.

 

[Pogo]

And events proved Shinseki wrong.
Our troops are there to defend us. That's what they do. Fighting terrorists is necessary as long as they wage jihad against us and doing it on their home ground is much better than doing so on ours. Our troops deserve your respect and support; not your slander.

Poster please.

What our troops deserve is wise and reasoned leadership -- not some yahoo sending other people's children to get the guy who "tried to kill my dad". The fact is Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and even Shrub admitted that. Nothing. So questioning that for what it is isn't "slander"; it's patriotism.

No it's bullshit because terrorists most certainly did commit the 9/11 attack. We went to war against terrorists (9/11 was not the only terrorist attack made against us), Saddam was a terrorist and Iraq publicly supported terrorism.

Doubletalk post.

You haven't refuted a thing I said. Unless you're suggesting that all terrorists live in Iraq.

The 9/11 gang was all Al Qaeda and came from mostly Saudi Arabia, with two from the UAE and one each from Lebanon and Egypt. Zero of which are "Iraq".

 

[Unkotare]

The draftees might of course just throw down their weapons, and sit down on the parade ground and refuse to do anything....

Americans are not like you weaklings.

 

[Godboy]

There are conventional bombs and conventional missiles, drones, subs etc. .

You can't win a war by just lobbing bombs from afar, you stupid ******* shit.

We could actually. If we didnt care about civilian casualties, we could carpet bomb every city and town until nothing was left standing. Im not saying we SHOULD do that, but I am saying we COULD.

 

[Pogo]

You can't win a war by just lobbing bombs from afar, you stupid ******* shit.

Hey, I bet you could win one by sitting back on the internet trolling with ad hominem all day, right?

 

[MikeK]

There are conventional bombs and conventional missiles, drones, subs etc. .

You can't win a war by just lobbing bombs from afar, you stupid ******* shit.

We could actually. If we didnt care about civilian casualties, we could carpet bomb every city and town until nothing was left standing. Im not saying we SHOULD do that, but I am saying we COULD.

The U.S. conducted extensive carpet-bombing raids on North and South Vietnam and Cambodia. In addition to the ruin of a considerable amount of those nations' natural resources, one shamefully cruel effect of that bombing was and to this day remains lethal to the innocent populations, including the thousands of peasant farmers and children who are killed or maimed when they happen upon the hidden residual components of the tons of cluster bombs we dropped -- not to mention those who were poisoned by the Agent Orange and incinerated by the napalm.

What we achieved by that carpet-bombing is a damning page in world history that cannot be erased -- and nothing more.

 

[Pogo]

Considering the nature and the purpose of our military actions in the Middle East, the imposing question is what motivates those who volunteer to participate in it?

Exactly those same things that motivated your father and two brothers.

My father and his two brothers joined the army at a time when the U.S. was attacked by a nation which had formidable military resources. Based on all I've read and what I've been told, they endured much physical suffering and mental agony to defend us. If they hadn't made that sacrifice our Nation would have been invaded and occupied.

Bullshit. There is no evidence that Germany, Japan or Italy had any intention of invading the continental US. Germany battered the UK with bombs and rockets but was still unable to carry out the invasion they had planned. So they invaded Russia and lost.

I regard every American who volunteered to fight the Japanese and the Germans as genuine heroes.

So do I. But no more so than any other soldier that has fought for our country.

The World Trade Center was attacked by nineteen suicidal Middle Eastern shahids who represented an enemy which has absolutely no capability of invading the U.S. or effecting any aggression on this Nation other than occasional surreptitiously destructive ("terrorist") incidents implemented from within -- essentially a federal police matter.

You overlook the fact that they obviously didn't need that capability to cause us great destruction and death. Or do you just not think we deserve to be protected as long as we are not invaded. Is there any doubt that they would use WMD on us given a chance? Did you miss the fact Iraq had used chemical weapons and were thought to playing with biological ones?

While I do not disregard the bravery of those troops who demonstrate traditional warrior virtues on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, the fact remains none of it was or is necessary or in any way productive. These people have volunteered and continue to volunteer to waste themselves.

Wrong. The truth is that you are willing to slander those who are fighting for you and undermine their efforts for no better reason than you are delusional enough think that your views on warfare and politics are the only correct ones.

To learn now that the remains of these wasted Americans are being quietly dumped into landfills is in undeniable fact a symbolic statement of the reality which is contemporary American military policy.

Why would you care when you display such disrespect yourself?

What is this -- a conversation with yourself?

Do you just not get how to use the quote button?

Oh well. Let us know which one of you wins...