Draft: Would you go?

[SFC Ollie]

You know, I don't really give a rats ass if people are not patriotic, which it seems we have several in here.

But do not belittle those who are patriotic, and who truly do support and even love their country. I served 22 years and would do it again. And again and again. Draft or no draft.

I have never belittled or denigrated anyone who volunteered to serve in the military.

Your choice I respect that.

I just don't have the same faith in our government, our politicians or their puppet masters to trust them to tell me if a war is just or not.

And even if you served in the military you have to know that no war action since WWII was because of a legitimate threat to the US.

War has to start with a threat to the USA?

Tell that to the students we pulled out of Granada.

And we already know that you are ignorant of the reasons we went into Afghanistan. and Iraq. And yes we should have gone into both of them for the reasons stated. Though i will give you that we should not have been in either one longer than 6 months.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I just don't have the same faith in our government, our politicians or their puppet masters to trust them to tell me if a war is just or not....

Choose people you can trust when you vote then. You don't get to individually make that call if you are drafted.

Yeah I do by refusing to fight for a government that is wrong.

I can't subscribe to the War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. bullshit that you swallow.

Who are you to say the government is wrong? I know damned sure i can't make that call. I can say I disagree, but not that they are wrong.

 

[Desperado]

Choose people you can trust when you vote then. You don't get to individually make that call if you are drafted.

Yeah I do by refusing to fight for a government that is wrong.

I can't subscribe to the War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. bullshit that you swallow.

Who are you to say the government is wrong? I know damned sure i can't make that call. I can say I disagree, but not that they are wrong.

Maybe that is the problem, Americans used to be able to tell right from wrong.
Why can't you make the call?

 

[Desperado]

You know, I don't really give a rats ass if people are not patriotic, which it seems we have several in here.

But do not belittle those who are patriotic, and who truly do support and even love their country. I served 22 years and would do it again. And again and again. Draft or no draft.

I have never belittled or denigrated anyone who volunteered to serve in the military.

Your choice I respect that.

I just don't have the same faith in our government, our politicians or their puppet masters to trust them to tell me if a war is just or not.

And even if you served in the military you have to know that no war action since WWII was because of a legitimate threat to the US.

War has to start with a threat to the USA?

Tell that to the students we pulled out of Granada.

And we already know that you are ignorant of the reasons we went into Afghanistan. and Iraq. And yes we should have gone into both of them for the reasons stated. Though i will give you that we should not have been in either one longer than 6 months.

We may have had a legitimate reason for invading Afghanistan going after OBL.
but there was absolutely no legitimate reason for invading Iraq. You have to agree that no war since WWII was because of a legitimate threat to the US, not one!

 

[SFC Ollie]

I've already showed you that a threat to the USA is not always needed to go to war.

And You nor i can tell the government they are wrong because you just did and really, You are probably wrong. At least i and many others would disagree with you.

 

[Toro]

If I was drafted by both the military and the Oakland Raiders, I'd chose the military.

 

[Pogo]

If I was drafter by both the military and the Oakland Raiders, I'd chose the military.

Better chance of winning?

 

[Unkotare]

I have never belittled or denigrated anyone who volunteered to serve in the military.

Your choice I respect that.

I just don't have the same faith in our government, our politicians or their puppet masters to trust them to tell me if a war is just or not.

And even if you served in the military you have to know that no war action since WWII was because of a legitimate threat to the US.

War has to start with a threat to the USA?

Tell that to the students we pulled out of Granada.

And we already know that you are ignorant of the reasons we went into Afghanistan. and Iraq. And yes we should have gone into both of them for the reasons stated. Though i will give you that we should not have been in either one longer than 6 months.

We may have had a legitimate reason for invading Afghanistan going after OBL.
but there was absolutely no legitimate reason for invading Iraq. You have to agree that no war since WWII was because of a legitimate threat to the US, not one!

See your eye doctor immediately. You are severely myopic.

 

[Spiderman]

Your attempts at diversion and avoidance of the topic are not working, coward. Don't kid yourself.

You don't have "principles," you have fear. You also don't have balls, a spine, character, loyalty, integrity, or - if you're really honest with yourself - self-respect. You're a hollow waste of a human being, and absolutely useless and unworthy as a citizen. Somewhere deep down inside that yellow belly you know this to be true.

Loyalty to whom?

To the country that provides you the freedom to be such a low-life ******* scumbag.

Country?

Loyalty to a lifeless hunk of dirt?

Loyalty to a colored bit of cloth?

Sorry I don't think so.

And I have paid for my right to live here. If the government wants to return all the money I have paid in taxes plus interest I'll be happy to move.

 

[Spiderman]

NO, you do that when you vote. When your country calls upon you, you serve. You do, whether you like it or not. I hope you never have to test your pride of cowardice, I really do. You and the kid can drift along in blissful self-indulgence until and unless circumstances dictate otherwise.


As with the kid, I don't know why you bother to stay in a country you clearly don't respect or value.

I stay because I have paid to stay.

And that's all I am obliged to do. I certainly am not obliged to pay in blood.

You are not an American, and you are of no use to anyone, anywhere. Congratulations, you're nothing.

American, English, French are are meaningless to me.

I define myself apart from the hunk of dirt I was born on. That's why you're perfect cannon fodder you can't define yourself apart from a hunk of dirt or a pretty rag.

 

[Spiderman]

You know, I don't really give a rats ass if people are not patriotic, which it seems we have several in here.

But do not belittle those who are patriotic, and who truly do support and even love their country. I served 22 years and would do it again. And again and again. Draft or no draft.

I have never belittled or denigrated anyone who volunteered to serve in the military.

Your choice I respect that.

I just don't have the same faith in our government, our politicians or their puppet masters to trust them to tell me if a war is just or not.

And even if you served in the military you have to know that no war action since WWII was because of a legitimate threat to the US.

War has to start with a threat to the USA?

It is the only valid reason to declare war. But we don't declare war anymore we simply decree and invade.

Tell that to the students we pulled out of Granada.

If Americans travel abroad they take their safety into their own hands. I certainly do not expect the US military to invade a country to get me out and neither should any of you.

And we already know that you are ignorant of the reasons we went into Afghanistan. and Iraq. And yes we should have gone into both of them for the reasons stated. Though i will give you that we should not have been in either one longer than 6 months.

I read the resolutions and all the bull shit. We were supposed to enforce the UN resolutions put in place in 91.

But since we have been there for 10 years I have to think that either we are inept and haven't been able to do that or we have ulterior motives.

 

[Desperado]

I've already showed you that a threat to the USA is not always needed to go to war.

And You nor i can tell the government they are wrong because you just did and really, You are probably wrong. At least i and many others would disagree with you.

Spoken like a true SFC, just following orders, not allowed to question the orders.
So I guess you believe the US should have been involved in Korea and Vietnam too.

 

[JWBooth]

I've already showed you that a threat to the USA is not always needed to go to war.

And You nor i can tell the government they are wrong because you just did and really, You are probably wrong. At least i and many others would disagree with you.

Spoken like a true SFC, just following orders, not allowed to question the orders.
So I guess you believe the US should have been involved in Korea and Vietnam too.

Dominican Republic, Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Panama, Herzegovina, Philippines...

 

[SFC Ollie]

I've already showed you that a threat to the USA is not always needed to go to war.

And You nor i can tell the government they are wrong because you just did and really, You are probably wrong. At least i and many others would disagree with you.

Spoken like a true SFC, just following orders, not allowed to question the orders.
So I guess you believe the US should have been involved in Korea and Vietnam too.

I took an oath to follow the orders of those appointed over me. The only outlier on that is that they had to be lawful orders.

It's a real shame when one cannot allow patriotism in their life. Do me a favor and please don't bother to vote.

And yes I believe we belonged in Korea and Nam. However I do wished the politicians would have kept their noses and the journalists out of Nam. It would have been over by 69.

 

[GHook93]

So if the country had a draft today to fight in the Middle East, would you go?

Yes

I think I should rephrase myself. If it was after we were attacked and we declared war on the entire nation, like we did in WW I and WW II, then I would go willingly. If it's to fight in another countries civil war, like Vietnam and Korea, then no way. It has to be a threat to us. If it's to protect ungrateful muslims then not a chance. See what any of our wars to protect Muslims have gotten us:

(1) Helping the Afghans against the Soviets: This lead to one of the most brutal regimes in the world in the Taliban. Extreme woman, minority, children and gay's human right violation. One of the most anti-American countries in the world. Funny we are the ONLY reason they were able to fight back against the Russians and they still split in our faces when we gave them these million dollar weaponry!
(2) Kosovo: We protected the Muslim invaders and antagonist against the native Serbs. The Russians were on the right side and we were on the wrong side. We did this get us. An anti-American MUSLIM regime, that is a hot bed for Islamic terrorism and led by a mafia style government.
(3) Kuwait: We prevented Sadam from killing genocide against the Kuwaitis. What did we get? Another anti-American Muslim shithole.
(4) Libya: We got rid of Gaddaffi and we an an anti-American Islamist shithole instead.
The list goes on and on. Whenever we fight wars to protect Muslims we leave with an anti-american, Islamist government and population in place. I will never fight to protect muslims.

I would also never fight in a nation-building war. Building a nation is extremely difficult, during it during when there is an active battlefield is near impossible!

 

[Unkotare]

Loyalty to whom?

To the country that provides you the freedom to be such a low-life ******* scumbag.

Country?

Loyalty to a lifeless hunk of dirt?

Loyalty to a colored bit of cloth?

Sorry I don't think so.

And I have paid for my right to live here. If the government wants to return all the money I have paid in taxes plus interest I'll be happy to move.

As I said, you are NOT an American. You are nothing.

 

[Spiderman]

To the country that provides you the freedom to be such a low-life ******* scumbag.

Country?

Loyalty to a lifeless hunk of dirt?

Loyalty to a colored bit of cloth?

Sorry I don't think so.

And I have paid for my right to live here. If the government wants to return all the money I have paid in taxes plus interest I'll be happy to move.

As I said, you are NOT an American. You are nothing.

You say that as if it's an insult. it's not. I don't have the pathological need to belong like you sheep.

 

[Unkotare]

Country?

Loyalty to a lifeless hunk of dirt?

Loyalty to a colored bit of cloth?

Sorry I don't think so.

And I have paid for my right to live here. If the government wants to return all the money I have paid in taxes plus interest I'll be happy to move.

As I said, you are NOT an American. You are nothing.

You say that as if it's an insult. it's not.

When I say you're nothing, I'm not just referring to the fact that you're not a real American ...

 

[Spiderman]

As I said, you are NOT an American. You are nothing.

You say that as if it's an insult. it's not.

When I say you're nothing, I'm not just referring to the fact that you're not a real American ...

Like I give a **** what you think or rather what you are told to think by your master.

 

[bornright]

I joined to go to war in Vietnam so I assume I would go if drafted. I have never been one to violate a law and I still love my country even though it is led by someone that does not.